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  • Krucialist
    Rookie
    • Mar 2009
    • 229

    #1

    We need a more reliable way of deterring the body punchers

    Notice I said deter, not defend. I understand you can block the body and you can try to stay out of range. My problem is the ease with which anyone can close the distance on you and unleash a torrent of body punches.

    I can usually beat body spammers (World Championship record is like 44-6) but it is just annoying when they want to come forward and my punches dont stop this. Jabs should be a way to keep people at bay but I never use them unless I am just trying to win the round and not actually cause damage since everyone just walks through it. Several jabs to the face when you arent even trying to put your hands up shouldnt allow you to just keep walking forward.

    Even if you are inside and you begin to unload with body punches. A counter uppercut should stop that or at least hurt you enough that you dont want to continue that course of action. Also, when I say counter uppercuts, I dont mean when I timed the body punch with a block and then threw the counter uppercut. Realistically, how is a counter punch any less of a counter punch if I block your body shot and then hit you in the face. Just cause the game doesnt think I had perfect timing, even though you threw a punch, I blocked it and immediately threw an uppercut which lands on your chin before you have a chance to throw another punch. If your block timing is off then apparently it isnt a counter punch anymore.

    Its upsetting when I see the pattern these people are throwing to the body with but I cant quite time it correctly with blocks and I cant use well placed head punches to slow their attack. Quite frankly, against the better players, all head punching seems to put you at a disadvantage due to the relative ease of dodging them. All the top 100 players I have faced limit their head punching and mainly focus body until you get rocked. There is just no reliable tactic to stop body punching other than timed blocks for counters or smartly spamming body punches yourself to take their stamina away. If you cover up and try to let them throw themselves out then your block meter will reach 0 long before their stamina will.

    Body punching is the main offensive focus for every good player, no matter the boxer chosen. Its almost a 2:1 ratio of body punches to head punches.

    You show me someone who throws to the head more than the body and I will show you an easy W.
  • Nokstar
    Rookie
    • Sep 2008
    • 225

    #2
    Re: We need a more reliable way of deterring the body punchers

    i agree 100%...great post.

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    • DaveDQ
      13
      • Sep 2003
      • 7664

      #3
      Re: We need a more reliable way of deterring the body punchers

      Originally posted by Krucialist
      Jabs should be a way to keep people at bay but I never use them unless I am just trying to win the round and not actually cause damage since everyone just walks through it. Several jabs to the face when you arent even trying to put your hands up shouldnt allow you to just keep walking forward.
      I think this is where the game gets a free ticket. I have seen many reviews stating that jabs keep fighters at bay. This is simply not true. Jab, jab and cross should back a guy down. The only thing that backs a fighter down is when you successfully block or weave out of a punch. Remember all that talk in their preview videos, "In Fight Night 3...." and then they'd talk about how they corrected it. I don't think this aspect of the game (blocking) has been corrected.
      Being kind, one to another, never disappoints.

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      • JayBee74
        Hall Of Fame
        • Jul 2002
        • 22989

        #4
        Re: We need a more reliable way of deterring the body punchers

        Am I the only one that thinks the blocking should be tightened up-by as much as twofold?
        An adjustment to stamina and block would make you earn a 45% connect rate.

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        • acts238shaun
          MVP
          • Dec 2005
          • 2714

          #5
          Re: We need a more reliable way of deterring the body punchers

          Jabs were too effective in FNR3, they are completely ineffective outside of legacy and fight now. A jab online doesn't mean crap. Punches are too fast, boxers don't lose stamina fast enough, blocking doesn't work enough and when it does it wears down to fast. I just fought a 6'8" 245 lb Ali clone that wiped the floor with me. At that height he could duck a jab...huh? I am done with this for now. It doesn't pay to fight smart and having any technical knowledge of boxing doesn't give you an advantage. I tried to rope a dope but with Ali's stance and that height I couldn't stay away from him and for some reason his punches had more power than most guys online. I don't know what to do anymore. It was either sit and watch him go up/down/up/down in the middle of the ring the entire fight or circle him the entire fight. I have come to the conclusion that I just suck at this game online.

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          • Po Pimp
            MVP
            • Jan 2005
            • 2249

            #6
            Re: We need a more reliable way of deterring the body punchers

            Originally posted by acts238shaun
            Jabs were too effective in FNR3, they are completely ineffective outside of legacy and fight now. A jab online doesn't mean crap. Punches are too fast, boxers don't lose stamina fast enough, blocking doesn't work enough and when it does it wears down to fast. I just fought a 6'8" 245 lb Ali clone that wiped the floor with me. At that height he could duck a jab...huh? I am done with this for now. It doesn't pay to fight smart and having any technical knowledge of boxing doesn't give you an advantage. I tried to rope a dope but with Ali's stance and that height I couldn't stay away from him and for some reason his punches had more power than most guys online. I don't know what to do anymore. It was either sit and watch him go up/down/up/down in the middle of the ring the entire fight or circle him the entire fight. I have come to the conclusion that I just suck at this game online.
            Usually when someone has a character like that (tall, long reach, strong, fast, etc) it means they are foolish enough to leave certain attributes low. Figure out which one it is and exploit their idiocy.

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            • JayBee74
              Hall Of Fame
              • Jul 2002
              • 22989

              #7
              Re: We need a more reliable way of deterring the body punchers

              Originally posted by acts238shaun
              I have come to the conclusion that I just suck at this game online.
              I have concluded that I suck also. I'm 8-7 in World Championship and either 8-4 or 8-5 in regular ranked bouts. All but two of my losses have come at the hands of an arrogant body punch spammer.
              too much like work


              Last edited by JayBee74; 07-11-2009, 08:10 PM.

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              • parker002
                MVP
                • Oct 2004
                • 1465

                #8
                Re: We need a more reliable way of deterring the body punchers

                Originally posted by JayBee74
                Am I the only one that thinks the blocking should be tightened up-by as much as twofold?
                An adjustment to stamina and block would make you earn a 45% connect rate.
                I'm starting to notice that the blocking of the AI is horrible too. I don't do it because it's cheese, but I've noticed that the CPU will stand there and let me hook him to the body repeatedly if I want to.
                Recovering slider addict...Fight Night Round 4 caused me to relapse...

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                • teambayern
                  MVP
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 1702

                  #9
                  Re: We need a more reliable way of deterring the body punchers

                  Originally posted by acts238shaun
                  Jabs were too effective in FNR3, they are completely ineffective outside of legacy and fight now. A jab online doesn't mean crap. Punches are too fast, boxers don't lose stamina fast enough, blocking doesn't work enough and when it does it wears down to fast. I just fought a 6'8" 245 lb Ali clone that wiped the floor with me. At that height he could duck a jab...huh? I am done with this for now. It doesn't pay to fight smart and having any technical knowledge of boxing doesn't give you an advantage. I tried to rope a dope but with Ali's stance and that height I couldn't stay away from him and for some reason his punches had more power than most guys online. I don't know what to do anymore. It was either sit and watch him go up/down/up/down in the middle of the ring the entire fight or circle him the entire fight. I have come to the conclusion that I just suck at this game online.

                  you seem to be really upset by the game, and stopping the body spammers. If you ever want a game unranked, I wouldn't mind working on stuff with you. I'm no expert, but I think I've figured out the game mechanics for beating the so called body spammers. Like the OP said, different deterrents might improve realism, but I still think it's fairly easy to beat down the spammers if you know what you're doing.
                  GT: Teambayern5

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                  • JayBee74
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 22989

                    #10
                    Re: We need a more reliable way of deterring the body punchers

                    Originally posted by teambayern
                    , but I still think it's fairly easy to beat down the spammers if you know what you're doing.
                    That might be my problem LOL.

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                    • teambayern
                      MVP
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 1702

                      #11
                      Re: We need a more reliable way of deterring the body punchers

                      I didn't know how to do it either, but I read Phobia's thread before going online. Read that, it's a good start. The main thing to do is to decide how you will win the fight and stick to it. If you have the reach advantage, constantly back away from the advancing opponent while throwing straights and jabs when his hands fall. Block the initial body blow and throw some more jabs and straights while backing away. Alternatively, and this is much more fun, pick an inside guy yourself, and just invite him to unload on you. Block and lean to diminish the damage, and when you see his stamina drop below halfway (usually about 15 seconds in) go off on him. He will keep trying to take you out, but his stamina will be too low. I can say more, but don't want to hijack the OP's thread.

                      Back to the OP, I too wish the jabs had more of a stopping effect, but I've found that they at least slow them down enough to keep them at bay if you back up while doing it.
                      GT: Teambayern5

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                      • tj1182
                        Pro
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 793

                        #12
                        Re: We need a more reliable way of deterring the body punchers

                        I have yet beat a body spammer.
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                        NY Knicks :(

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                        • JayBee74
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 22989

                          #13
                          Re: We need a more reliable way of deterring the body punchers

                          THE LATEST BODY SPAMMER ABSURDITY

                          I land 322 of 403 (79%) punches, including 43 of 85 haymakers while my opponent lands 431 of 739 (58%). His head punches (105 of 270, 38%) are incidental to his relentless body attack (326 of 469, 69%). I pushed, blocked, punched clinched, attacked from the outside, but the bottom line is the TPC gives a body spammer the advantage. He can roll off the more powerful body hooks and body uppercuts faster than hook and uppercut attacks to the head. My stamina was cooked midway through the second round. YA LISTENING EA!!?? DO SOMETHING!!!

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                          • dat swag
                            Banned
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 1040

                            #14
                            Re: We need a more reliable way of deterring the body punchers

                            Originally posted by JayBee74
                            That might be my problem LOL.
                            Body punchers are not a problem...Its simply a matter of knowing how to effectively deter it...I love when someone comes out throwing only body blows...Those are the easiest players to dispose of quickly.

                            Some of you need to put a little more work and thought into the game before DECLARING something a problem

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                            • JayBee74
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 22989

                              #15
                              Re: We need a more reliable way of deterring the body punchers

                              Originally posted by dat swag
                              Body punchers are not a problem...Its simply a matter of knowing how to effectively deter it...I love when someone comes out throwing only body blows...Those are the easiest players to dispose of quickly.

                              Some of you need to put a little more work and thought into the game before DECLARING something a problem
                              HAHA-I said the same thing before I came in contact with some of the better spammers. How do you dispose of Body Spammers?

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