Mayweather Setting Up Excuse Not to Fight Pacquio?

[aholbert32]

Re: Mayweather Setting Up Excuse Not to Fight Pacquio?

But this fight with Mosley you can't put all on pbf's name. Mosley is a huge name, whereas clottey isn't...so one can't assume if the ppv buy's are bigger for this fight that it automatically means pbf is a bigger draw.

Of the two ppv's i'd rather see this one because it's 2 huge names, but if i had to pick between the two only without knowing the opponent I"d take pac everytime. So to me personally pac = bigger draw.

That may be the case for you presonally but it doesnt mean that he is the bigger draw to the buying public. Its simple. They have both fought 3 fighters, Oscar, Hatton and Marquez. With those three fights, Mayweather's fights outdid Pac's fights. That is evidence that Mayweather is the bigger draw.

[allBthere]

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That may be the case for you presonally but it doesnt mean that he is the bigger draw to the buying public. Its simple. They have both fought 3 fighters, Oscar, Hatton and Marquez. With those three fights, Mayweather's fights outdid Pac's fights. That is evidence that Mayweather is the bigger draw.

Fair enough...I'm not necessarily saying this to disagree, but Oscar and Ricky's stock were lower during the pac fights as well imo.

It always takes 2 to tango....let's say Maywather was fighting Clottey and Pac was fighting Mosley - I think it's obvious what PPV is bigger.

[King_B_Mack]

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Fair enough...I'm not necessarily saying this to disagree, but Oscar and Ricky's stock were lower during the pac fights as well imo.

It always takes 2 to tango....let's say Maywather was fighting Clottey and Pac was fighting Mosley - I think it's obvious what PPV is bigger.

Which is why it was even more of a stupid decision for Manny to be so quick to jump into the Clottey fight in the first place. Just sayin'

[Dame]

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Here is Pac giving blood 20 days before his fight with Clottey so all his excuses are out(except the money split)

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[Jesus]

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Here is Pac giving blood 20 days before his fight with Clottey so all his excuses are out(except the money split)

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Money is a clear Mayweather ***** and Manny is contradicting himself left and right.

[ZB9]

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all he wants is to ensure an even playing field which i cannot blame him for

It already is an even playing field

There are a lot of PEDs that are legal and all pro boxers take some sort of legal peformance enhancing drugs. For example QVAR, an asthma inhaler, it's completely legal, and it's not only a PED but a steroid as well. Also, many other inhaled steroids are 100% legal under the NSAC. It's a constant game for boxers to get an edge and find legal ways to enhance their performance, including FM. That is one reason why the PED accusations and all of this gamesmanship by FM is so silly.

The issue is banned PED's. It's a level playing field for everyone. If a PED is not banned by the NSAC, then it's legal for everyone and anyone can take it. If a PED is banned by the NSAC, then it's tested for and illegal for everyone. With the testing technology that they use these days, they can find pretty much anything they are looking for and anything that is banned under their organization's rules. The testing that the NSAC is using nowadays is among the best of any professional sport and is similar to that used by cycling.

[ZB9]

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I think I'm a decent barometer on million buy fights. I rarely buy boxing PPVs because most of them have ****ty undercards and I have other means to watch them. So like a casual fan, I typically only buy the big cards and those fights tend to be the million dollar fights. I'm buying the Mayweather fight and have no plans to buy the Pac fight.

Im buying both. What does that mean on your barometer?

FM is probably a bigger draw in the US, but Pac is probably a bigger draw everywhere else.

Floyd will probably draw slightly more in his next fight because Mosley is a big name. If you switched the match ups and Pac was fighting Mosley, that would probably draw more world wide than Floyd v Clottey because not as many casual fans know who Clottey is. However, that wouldnt necessarily make it a better win and drawing slightly more PPV buys hardly makes someone the better boxer.

[mesk]

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look what it comes down to is that pac had the opportunity to quiet all his doubters,which he chose not to do.at the end of the day it all comes down to if he has NOTHING to hide he should have no problem proving it.there is nothing more to be said.im not a mayweather fan,well i am of his boxing skills but thats about it.we are not talking about asthama medications or stuff like that.the man is clearly hiding something,nothing can be said to deny this.

[mesk]

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im buying both as well.while i dont expect pac to do the numbers of may-mosley it will surely hold its own

[ZB9]

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we are not talking about asthama medications or stuff like that

lol then what are you talking about?

there are all sorts of substances that can enhance a boxer's performance

[aholbert32]

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Im buying both. What does that mean on your barometer?

FM is probably a bigger draw in the US, but Pac is probably a bigger draw everywhere else.

Floyd will probably draw slightly more in his next fight because Mosley is a big name. If you switched the match ups and Pac was fighting Mosley, that would probably draw more world wide than Floyd v Clottey because not as many casual fans know who Clottey is. However, that wouldnt necessarily make it a better win and drawing slightly more PPV buys hardly makes someone the better boxer.

It means you are a big Pac fan.

Pac v. Clottey is a HBO World Championship Boxing level main event it shouldnt be a PPV but Arum wanted a PPV and Pac does what ever Arum wans. Also PBF/Mosley wont just do SLIGHTLY more than the Pac/Clottey fight. We are looking at a 300k to 400k difference. I will be shocked if Pac's fight does better than 700-800k (thats even a high estimate based on his past PPV fights against less competition). I will be shocked if PBF's fight does less than 1 mil.

Promoters dont give a crap about international numbers because there is no international PPV outside of Europe. The fights are shown on broadcast or cable TV outside of the US/Europe so there is no money to be made there. What matter is who sells better in the US and past fights plus these upcoming fights show that Floyd is the bigger draw.

[Money99]

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Im buying both. What does that mean on your barometer?

FM is probably a bigger draw in the US, but Pac is probably a bigger draw everywhere else.

Floyd will probably draw slightly more in his next fight because Mosley is a big name. If you switched the match ups and Pac was fighting Mosley, that would probably draw more world wide than Floyd v Clottey because not as many casual fans know who Clottey is. However, that wouldnt necessarily make it a better win and drawing slightly more PPV buys hardly makes someone the better boxer.

I would say Pac is a bigger draw in the US, but the Mayweather-Mosley fight is far more interesting.
If it was Pac-Mosley and Mayweather-Clottey, Pac's fight would win.

But like aholbert32 said, I'd be shocked if Mayweathers PPV didn't do considerably better than Pac's.
Nobody knows who Clottey is but almost everyone in the US knows who Mosley and Mayweather are.

I'll be buying both.

[aholbert32]

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I would say Pac is a bigger draw in the US, but the Mayweather-Mosley fight is far more interesting.
I'll be buying both.

I just dont know how anyone can say Pac is the bigger draw. They have fought the same people 3 times and Floyd's fights outdrew Pac's. Its that simple.

[Money99]

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I just dont know how anyone can say Pac is the bigger draw. They have fought the same people 3 times and Floyd's fights outdrew Pac's. Its that simple.

True. But Pac fought them after they'd already been beaten by Mayweather. His opponents lacked the luster they brought in previously.

Mayweather-Marquez estimated around 1.05M, while Pacquio-Cotto did over 1.25M.
That's not bad considering this was Mayweathers first fight out of retirement - which should draw big attention.

I'd have to say they draw about the same. However, both rely on their opponents to a degree.
Mayweathers a boring fighter to most people while Pacquio's nationality and language barrier keep some US fans at bay as well.

Still, there's no reason why Mayweather thinks he should deserve more of the purse than Pacquio. Pac's the #1 PFP fighter in the world. Until one of them loses, it should be 50-50 without any question.
For Floyd to say he deserves more than Pac if the Mosley fight pulls in more PPV's is ridiculous.
Pac-Mosley would pull in more than Mayweather-Clottey and even Floyd knows that.

[aholbert32]

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True. But Pac fought them after they'd already been beaten by Mayweather. His opponents lacked the luster they brought in previously.

Mayweather-Marquez estimated around 1.05M, while Pacquio-Cotto did over 1.25M.
That's not bad considering this was Mayweathers first fight out of retirement - which should draw big attention.

I'd have to say they draw about the same. However, both rely on their opponents to a degree.
Mayweathers a boring fighter to most people while Pacquio's nationality and language barrier keep some US fans at bay as well.

Still, there's no reason why Mayweather thinks he should deserve more of the purse than Pacquio. Pac's the #1 PFP fighter in the world. Until one of them loses, it should be 50-50 without any question.
For Floyd to say he deserves more than Pac if the Mosley fight pulls in more PPV's is ridiculous.
Pac-Mosley would pull in more than Mayweather-Clottey and even Floyd knows that.

He fought Marquez after Pac fought him twice. He did a million with Marquez when Pac couldnt do 500k against Marquez. The only person you can make the "luster" argument with is Hatton and even thats shaky. Oscar was coming off a losses in 2 of his last 4 fights when he fought Floyd (Mosley and Hopkins). Why does he have luster then but loses it when he lost a close fight to Floyd?

Floyd has a few arguments why he should be paid more:

1) He is a bigger draw. The numbers show that no matter how you try to spin it.

2) The only reason Pac is #1 P4P is because Floyd retired. Its not as if Floyd lost and Pac became #1. He retired and Pac took his spot.

3) Pac's tenouous grasp on the english language and nationality forces Floyd to carry most of the promotional load.