Mayweather Setting Up Excuse Not to Fight Pacquio?

[Money99]

http://forums.doghouseboxing.com/index.php?showtopic=152109

And if, as expected, Mayweather-Mosley greatly outperforms Pacquiao-Clottey, 50-50 is history.

“Instead of 20 or 25 (million dollars), he may have to drop to 15, or 17,” Mayweather said. “And you know me, they may have to throw that extra five or 10 on mine, and we can rock and roll. Take it or leave it.”

People who've seen my posts know I'm not a big Mayweather fan.
So it's no surprise that I feel Mayweather is already trying to setup a hurdle so he never has to face Pac.

Anyone who knows boxing knows that Pac is the man right now. He's the #1 PFP fighter in the world and is 10000x more exciting than Floyd.
Saying that, it should come as no surprise if Pac refuses to take anything less than a 50-50 split. In fact, if I were Pac I'd tell Floyd he's lucky to get anything over 40%.

However, I do side with him somewhat regarding the drug testing.
I think it's a punk move by him to have only asked Pac to take a test thus far in his career. He fought 40 other dudes and never felt the game needed to be changed. Why now?
I think it's suspicious on both sides. Is Pac hiding something? Did Mayweather know how superstitious Pac is regarding testing so early to the fight?

In any event, I'm starting to think fight will never happen.
And if it doesn't, I can't see how when Floyd retires, when his name's brought up, the mention of the collapse of this superfight won't be mentioned each and every time.
It will tarnish his career far more than it ever will Pacquio's.

All we can pray for is that Pac-Clottey does way better in the box office than Mosley-Mayweather. Then there are no excuses and both fighters should sign and get this done.

[Relentless]

Re: Mayweather Setting Up Excuse Not to Fight Pacquio?

This fight versus Mosley would be better and more competitive than the fight versus Manny anyway.. I still would like to see it.. but

Pacman isnt automatically going to win anyway.. both of these fights that are coming up still have to be fought.

Mayweather Bias full steam ahead.. do you get Mayweather ***** text alerts for Mayweather articles.

Manny wont agree to the testing anyway.. Did you ever think of that.

[Money99]

Re: Mayweather Setting Up Excuse Not to Fight Pacquio?

This fight versus Mosley would be better and more competitive than the fight versus Manny anyway.. I still would like to see it.. but

Pacman isnt automatically going to win anyway.. both of these fights that are coming up still have to be fought.

Mayweather Bias full steam ahead.. do you get Mayweather ***** text alerts for Mayweather articles.

Manny wont agree to the testing anyway.. Did you ever think of that.

Yes I do. From Mayweather-BS-PR-Spin.com

I have a feeling that if Mayweather really believed he'd have an easy time with Pac, this fight would already have taken place last fall.

Floyd knows his carefully created perfect record would be in serious jeopardy and is doing everything he can to stop it from happening.
40 fighters ago he couldn't care less about 'cleaning up boxing'. Suddenly he's the Malcom X of the Sweet Science.
Now he's saying "I won't give Pac a 50-50 split". That's a brilliant PR move right there. He's already created a built-in excuse as to why he won't fight him knowing Pacs people won't go for anything less.

My grandparents used to own a chicken ranch. It was always interesting watching how the chickens reacted once getting their heads lopped off.
That's the image I get when I hear Mayweather spout off; a giant chicken running around spewing out useless rhetoric.

I would put money down that if Manny agreed to the drug test but said he's not taking a penny less than a 50-50 split, Mayweather would still balk using this new excuse as a reason why.

I might be a *****, but I'm not blinded by it. I recognize Floyd's skills. But I also see through his BS and know a scared man when I see one.

[CountryBoy74]

Re: Mayweather Setting Up Excuse Not to Fight Pacquio?

Yes I do. From Mayweather-BS-PR-Spin.com

I have a feeling that if Mayweather really believed he'd have an easy time with Pac, this fight would already have taken place last fall.

Floyd knows his carefully created perfect record would be in serious jeopardy and is doing everything he can to stop it from happening.
40 fighters ago he couldn't care less about 'cleaning up boxing'. Suddenly he's the Malcom X of the Sweet Science.
Now he's saying "I won't give Pac a 50-50 split". That's a brilliant PR move right there. He's already created a built-in excuse as to why he won't fight him knowing Pacs people won't go for anything less.

My grandparents used to own a chicken ranch. It was always interesting watching how the chickens reacted once getting their heads lopped off.
That's the image I get when I hear Mayweather spout off; a giant chicken running around spewing out useless rhetoric.

I would put money down that if Manny agreed to the drug test but said he's not taking a penny less than a 50-50 split, Mayweather would still balk using this new excuse as a reason why.

I might be a *****, but I'm not blinded by it. I recognize Floyd's skills. But I also see through his BS and know a scared man when I see one.

True

[Blaxican8504]

Re: Mayweather Setting Up Excuse Not to Fight Pacquio?

In Floyd's defense, everyone seems to believe that Pacquiao is a bigger draw when it comes to PPV buys. So in this instance, if Mayweather's fight outsells Pacquiao's, the advantage Pacquiao had in negotiations in terms of the purse split no longer exists. It makes sense that the fighter with more drawing power would want more of the pot.

[aholbert32]

Re: Mayweather Setting Up Excuse Not to Fight Pacquio?

Yes I do. From Mayweather-BS-PR-Spin.com

I have a feeling that if Mayweather really believed he'd have an easy time with Pac, this fight would already have taken place last fall.

Floyd knows his carefully created perfect record would be in serious jeopardy and is doing everything he can to stop it from happening.
40 fighters ago he couldn't care less about 'cleaning up boxing'. Suddenly he's the Malcom X of the Sweet Science.
Now he's saying "I won't give Pac a 50-50 split". That's a brilliant PR move right there. He's already created a built-in excuse as to why he won't fight him knowing Pacs people won't go for anything less.

My grandparents used to own a chicken ranch. It was always interesting watching how the chickens reacted once getting their heads lopped off.
That's the image I get when I hear Mayweather spout off; a giant chicken running around spewing out useless rhetoric.

I would put money down that if Manny agreed to the drug test but said he's not taking a penny less than a 50-50 split, Mayweather would still balk using this new excuse as a reason why.

I might be a *****, but I'm not blinded by it. I recognize Floyd's skills. But I also see through his BS and know a scared man when I see one.

Jesus. This stuff again. Who gives a crap what he did "forty fighters ago"? He didnt have the leverage and power in the sport to demand a certain type of drug testing then. **** he didnt have that leverage until after the De La hoya and Hatton fights. Now he does. I'm not saying that Floyd doesnt have other motives for this crusade but he's not the one saying he wont take the test.

Love him or hate him, he is the biggest draw in the sport...bottom line. He does over a million buys easily. If he beats Mosley convincingly and Pac struggles with Clottey, Floyd should get more than 50/50. If Pac wanted a guarantee of 50/50, he should have accepted the 14 day drug testing and made the fight. He didnt so now its up to his next fight to show that he still deserves 50/50.

Its like stocks, you sell high. Pac's stock couldnt be higher right now after the Cotto win. Everybody thinks he's unstoppable and will run through Floyd. If he struggles against Clottey and when his numbers come in much lower than Mayweather/Mosley (They will), then he loses some of his leverage. He cant argue that he is an equal draw anymore.

[aholbert32]

Re: Mayweather Setting Up Excuse Not to Fight Pacquio?

In Floyd's defense, everyone seems to believe that Pacquiao is a bigger draw when it comes to PPV buys. So in this instance, if Mayweather's fight outsells Pacquiao's, the advantage Pacquiao had in negotiations in terms of the purse split no longer exists. It makes sense that the fighter with more drawing power would want more of the pot.

Thats the thing. Pac isnt the bigger draw now. Floyd has 3 PPV's that have generated over 1 million buys (Oscar, Hatton, Marquez). Pac has 2 (Oscar, Cotto)

[Pappy Knuckles]

Re: Mayweather Setting Up Excuse Not to Fight Pacquio?

Lol, I guess there wasn't enough Floyd hate around here anymore. Here we go again.

[mesk]

Re: Mayweather Setting Up Excuse Not to Fight Pacquio?

this is in now way a excuse for mayweather cause just like everyone else his excuses are starting to wear thin.but even the hardcore pac fans have raised a eyebrow with him refusing the drug test.and honestly mayweather is just as big of a draw a pac,mostly cause 60%of the crowd is there to see him get ko'ed!!



and manny will never agree to the testing.mostly cause he is hiding something.think about it.who has more to gain from the extra testing?manny does.supose he agreed to the testing,took it and passed it then went on to beat may convincingly!!who would look dumb then?floyd would!!!he would prolly retire if that were to happen

and yes he did fight 40 other men w\o asking for that special kind of drug testing,but cmon all he wants is to ensure an even playing field which i cannot blame him for.and ANYONE would have done the same thing.go ahead and deny it if u must,but deep down u know the truth!!

[Vast]

Re: Mayweather Setting Up Excuse Not to Fight Pacquio?

In Floyd's defense, everyone seems to believe that Pacquiao is a bigger draw when it comes to PPV buys. So in this instance, if Mayweather's fight outsells Pacquiao's, the advantage Pacquiao had in negotiations in terms of the purse split no longer exists. It makes sense that the fighter with more drawing power would want more of the pot.

The thing is, Mayweather is fighting the MUCH more recognizable opponent in Mosley.

And Mayweather is the MUCH more popular boxer here in the US. Dude was in Wrestemania!!! He's all over ESPN arguing with dudes.

Pacquiao fights here then goes home without much press outside of boxing PR. And STILL did over a million buys TWICE.

In this case, if you didnt watch his fight against Cotto, you would have no clue who Clottey is.

If Pac gets anywhere near a million or near May vs Mosley numbers, you can definitely argue he's as big or a bigger draw than PBF.

[aholbert32]

Re: Mayweather Setting Up Excuse Not to Fight Pacquio?

The thing is, Mayweather is fighting the MUCH more recognizable opponent in Mosley.

And Mayweather is the MUCH more popular boxer here in the US. Dude was in Wrestemania!!! He's all over ESPN arguing with dudes.

Pacquiao fights here then goes home without much press outside of boxing PR. And STILL did over a million buys TWICE.

In this case, if you didnt watch his fight against Cotto, you would have no clue who Clottey is.

If Pac gets anywhere near a million or near May vs Mosley numbers, you can definitely argue he's as big or a bigger draw than PBF.

I cant go with you on that. Pac did a million twice with plenty of press. He's done HBO 24-7 twice. Was all over ESPN promoting the Cotto fight. One of those million buy fights was with Oscar and everyone does a million with Oscar too.

The Clottey fight wont do close to a million buys.

[Vast]

Re: Mayweather Setting Up Excuse Not to Fight Pacquio?

I cant go with you on that. Pac did a million twice with plenty of press. He's done HBO 24-7 twice. Was all over ESPN promoting the Cotto fight. One of those million buy fights was with Oscar and everyone does a million with Oscar too.

The Clottey fight wont do close to a million buys.

I know that the May vs Mosley fight will definitely do more PPV'S. Thats pretty much a given.

My point was Mayweather gets tons of press here in the states outside of when he promotes his fights. Pacquiao only promotes here leading up to a fight. And sounds terrible when speaking english.

Im not sure what kind of numbers the Pac vs Clottey fight is going to bring in, but I believe it's going to do better than you think.

[aholbert32]

Re: Mayweather Setting Up Excuse Not to Fight Pacquio?

I know that the May vs Mosley fight will definitely do more PPV'S. Thats pretty much a given.

My point was Mayweather gets tons of press here in the states outside of when he promotes his fights. Pacquiao only promotes here leading up to a fight. And sounds terrible when speaking english.

Im not sure what kind of numbers the Pac vs Clottey fight is going to bring in, but I believe it's going to do better than you think.

Take away Wrestlemania and Mayweather is only promoting when he has a fight. He was invisible during the 15-18 mos he was "retired". Everytime you see him on ESPN, he was promoting a fight.

I think Clottey/Pac will do in the 600k-750k range. I think I'm a decent barometer on million buy fights. I rarely buy boxing PPVs because most of them have ****ty undercards and I have other means to watch them. So like a casual fan, I typically only buy the big cards and those fights tend to be the million dollar fights. I'm buying the Mayweather fight and have no plans to buy the Pac fight.

[allBthere]

Re: Mayweather Setting Up Excuse Not to Fight Pacquio?

Thats the thing. Pac isnt the bigger draw now. Floyd has 3 PPV's that have generated over 1 million buys (Oscar, Hatton, Marquez). Pac has 2 (Oscar, Cotto)

But this fight with Mosley you can't put all on pbf's name. Mosley is a huge name, whereas clottey isn't...so one can't assume if the ppv buy's are bigger for this fight that it automatically means pbf is a bigger draw.

Of the two ppv's i'd rather see this one because it's 2 huge names, but if i had to pick between the two only without knowing the opponent I"d take pac everytime. So to me personally pac = bigger draw.

[CountryBoy74]

Re: Mayweather Setting Up Excuse Not to Fight Pacquio?

I know that the May vs Mosley fight will definitely do more PPV'S. Thats pretty much a given.

My point was Mayweather gets tons of press here in the states outside of when he promotes his fights. Pacquiao only promotes here leading up to a fight. And sounds terrible when speaking english.

Im not sure what kind of numbers the Pac vs Clottey fight is going to bring in, but I believe it's going to do better than you think.

Well every Filipino-american will get plus alot in PI.