I'm finally convinced. Pac's the real deal.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: I'm finally convinced. Pac's the real deal.

Speaking of double standards and ducking. Was I simply imagining things when I watched the video that backbreaker posted in the Mosley v Floyd thread and Kellerman said that Mosley tried EVERYTHING, did EVERYTHING Pac's camp asked him to do to try to fight Pac and then they wouldn't even talk to him? Somehow Floyd still to this day get's killed for "ducking" Shane all these years and no one says anything about Pac and this but how great a fight Shane/Pac would be. We all hear about how great a fight Pac/Floyd will be, but it's always followed up by how it's Floyd being scared of Pac that it didn't happen or Floyd making excuses or no precedents for asking for drug testing so it's Floyd holding up the fight. What's up with that?

[Jesus]

Re: I'm finally convinced. Pac's the real deal.

Manny=Great fighter

But Manny has a trail of fighters he has beaten that weren't at the top of their game when he fought them. Whats the pattern of his last 4-5 opponents? Each one of Pacman's "big fights", he was fighting them shortly after they took losses in their last fight against any top tier fighters or real title contenders.

Oscar lost to Floyd and was old
Hatton knocked out by Floyd
Cotto knocked the hell out by Margarito
Clottey lost to Cotto in a close decision

Is it a coincidence that he isn't talking about fighting a fighter like Berto, a decent challenge for him next, or Valero a guy who is another decent challenge for him, no its been reported he may fight... Margarito. For reals Manny? Margarito? http://www.boxingnews24.com/2010/03/...foreman-cotto/

Margarito's last fight?

Knocked out by Mosley.

I'm not accusing him of duckin' but there is a saying that goes:
"Once Is Chance, Twice is Coincidence, Third Time Is A Pattern".
If everyone is calling out FM for his selection of particular fighters which at times has been questionable, I think we have to call it what it is when you look deeper at Manny's pattern of fight selection as well.

If you don't like FM because he is flashy, flaunts his money or skates around his 10,000+ square foot house in Vegas in Prada skates, that's cool, but kill the double standard some of y'all have when talking about FM and Pacman. I don't blame Manny as much as his promoters and whoever lines up his fights, but the double standard is getting a little ridiculous.

Truth

[Vast]

Re: I'm finally convinced. Pac's the real deal.

Speaking of double standards and ducking. Was I simply imagining things when I watched the video that backbreaker posted in the Mosley v Floyd thread and Kellerman said that Mosley tried EVERYTHING, did EVERYTHING Pac's camp asked him to do to try to fight Pac and then they wouldn't even talk to him? Somehow Floyd still to this day get's killed for "ducking" Shane all these years and no one says anything about Pac and this but how great a fight Shane/Pac would be. We all hear about how great a fight Pac/Floyd will be, but it's always followed up by how it's Floyd being scared of Pac that it didn't happen or Floyd making excuses or no precedents for asking for drug testing so it's Floyd holding up the fight. What's up with that?

They're both at fault. But Pac isn't scared to fight Mosley, it seems he's hoping Mayweather loses so he can get to fight Shane.

Maybe Pac wasn't ready at the time to fight when Shane wanted to, i dont know. Pac just recently became a welterweight, and nobody thought he'd even be able to hang with them let alone beat them. Maybe that had something to do with it.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: I'm finally convinced. Pac's the real deal.

They're both at fault. But Pac isn't scared to fight Mosley, it seems he's hoping Mayweather loses so he can get to fight Shane.

Maybe Pac wasn't ready at the time to fight when Shane wanted to, i dont know. Pac just recently became a welterweight, and nobody thought he'd even be able to hang with them let alone beat them. Maybe that had something to do with it.

I dunno, I'm not saying that's not the case because I don't know for sure, I just find it both funny and annoying that throughout the net no one is willing to hear anything like that for Floyd not fighting someone but of course Pac gets a pass. Or again the fact that Floyd wanted to fight Mosley, but Mosley ducked Floyd until a huge payday was in it for him. After all who can forget the infamous post fight, loose tooth incident of Shane's when confronted about fighting the up and coming Floyd.

[Vast]

Re: I'm finally convinced. Pac's the real deal.

I dunno, I'm not saying that's not the case because I don't know for sure, I just find it both funny and annoying that throughout the net no one is willing to hear anything like that for Floyd not fighting someone but of course Pac gets a pass. Or again the fact that Floyd wanted to fight Mosley, but Mosley ducked Floyd until a huge payday was in it for him. After all who can forget the infamous post fight, loose tooth incident of Shane's when confronted about fighting the up and coming Floyd.

any links for that infamous post fight incident?

[King_B_Mack]

Re: I'm finally convinced. Pac's the real deal.

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There ya go.

I'm just wondering how it goes from ^^that, to this below

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[NINJAK2]

Re: I'm finally convinced. Pac's the real deal.

here's another funny video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Why-5fkl30w&feature=player_embedded

[Vast]

Re: I'm finally convinced. Pac's the real deal.

I see. At first he was saying he wanted to fight him next year. Then at the end he started to sound like he didnt want to fight.

When was this interview taken? After what fight?

[King_B_Mack]

Re: I'm finally convinced. Pac's the real deal.

I believe that was in 06 after the Vargas rematch. If I'm not mistaken of course.

Difference in the situations of that video Ninja, that video of Floyd talking to Mosley was after his Marquez fight and had Mosley walking up to him like a crackhead trying to talk a drug dealer into giving them a freebie cause he knew that the next fight in line was Mayweather/Pacquiao and it was going to leave him out in the cold. I don't blame Mayweather for agreeing to a fight right then and there with the Pacman fight looming as a much bigger payday and Mosley rushing him to fight now after ten years of "ducking" going on.

[NINJAK2]

Re: I'm finally convinced. Pac's the real deal.

I believe that was in 06 after the Vargas rematch. If I'm not mistaken of course.

Difference in the situations of that video Ninja, that video of Floyd talking to Mosley was after his Marquez fight and had Mosley walking up to him like a crackhead trying to talk a drug dealer into giving them a freebie cause he knew that the next fight in line was Mayweather/Pacquiao and it was going to leave him out in the cold. I don't blame Mayweather for agreeing to a fight right then and there with the Pacman fight looming as a much bigger payday and Mosley rushing him to fight now after ten years of "ducking" going on.

I see your point King. I just thought it was funny that he was saying at 1st that Pac was asked by media if he wanted to fight him straight up but claims Pac wouldn't answer the question and defered to his manager. Floyd then defers to his manager when asked straight up by a media personality if he wants a part of Shane. In your words as a fighter PBF "what do you want to do?"

Reason neither PBF or Pac didn't want to fight Mosley is because there isn't as much money there as it would be between pac/pbf. This is PRIZEFIGHTING anyway and if you step in the ring to risk your life/reputation you should be fighting for the most cash possible imo. When Shane was on top he had no reason to take a risk and fight PBF when there were bigger draws out there plus the fact that he would be taking a huge risk.

Sugar Ray Leonard did the same thing to Hagler when he retired before fighting him when Marv's star was shining brighter and brighter, but then when Ray wanted to come back and get paid he was calling out and chasing Marvelous when he was the top dog. Hagler got robbed that night and it still ticks me off.....sorry for getting off topic with that.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: I'm finally convinced. Pac's the real deal.

I see your point King. I just thought it was funny that he was saying at 1st that Pac was asked by media if he wanted to fight him straight up but claims Pac wouldn't answer the question and defered to his manager. Floyd then defers to his manager when asked straight up by a media personality if he wants a part of Shane. In your words as a fighter PBF "what do you want to do?"

Reason neither PBF or Pac didn't want to fight Mosley is because there isn't as much money there as it would be between pac/pbf. This is PRIZEFIGHTING anyway and if you step in the ring to risk your life/reputation you should be fighting for the most cash possible imo. When Shane was on top he had no reason to take a risk and fight PBF when there were bigger draws out there plus the fact that he would be taking a huge risk.

Sugar Ray Leonard did the same thing to Hagler when he retired before fighting him when Marv's star was shining brighter and brighter, but then when Ray wanted to come back and get paid he was calling out and chasing Marvelous when he was the top dog. Hagler got robbed that night and it still ticks me off.....sorry for getting off topic with that.

Oh yeah I'm with you on this being prizefighting and I agree that he had no reason to fight Floyd, I'm not knocking Mosley for not fighting him, I just get sick of hearing all this trash about Floyd "ducking" people and cherry picking fights and people ignoring the circumstances of the situations but then when other fighters are doing it no one has a problem with it or there aren't threads or youtube videos popping up for every snag in a negotiation about these guys being scared of someone or trying to duck someone. Like the people that run around saying Floyd has been ducking Mosley for years...ummm...okay, that's funny.

[Jesus]

Re: I'm finally convinced. Pac's the real deal.

Oh yeah I'm with you on this being prizefighting and I agree that he had no reason to fight Floyd, I'm not knocking Mosley for not fighting him, I just get sick of hearing all this trash about Floyd "ducking" people and cherry picking fights and people ignoring the circumstances of the situations but then when other fighters are doing it no one has a problem with it or there aren't threads or youtube videos popping up for every snag in a negotiation about these guys being scared of someone or trying to duck someone. Like the people that run around saying Floyd has been ducking Mosley for years...ummm...okay, that's funny.

sad thing is thats not his first shameless ducking, Floyd called him out on Best Damn Sports. . . i believe. They were both on and Shane tried to laugh it off.

[Nike Fattz]

Re: I'm finally convinced. Pac's the real deal.

They're both at fault. But Pac isn't scared to fight Mosley, it seems he's hoping Mayweather loses so he can get to fight Shane.

Maybe Pac wasn't ready at the time to fight when Shane wanted to, i dont know. Pac just recently became a welterweight, and nobody thought he'd even be able to hang with them let alone beat them. Maybe that had something to do with it.

According to Roach, Mosely was "too good" to fight Pac without first weight draining him. Mosely even offered to come in at 140 for Pac, but nope, too much of a risk. That's the definition of ducking someone.

Encase everyone has yet to notice the pattern, nearly every one of Pacs fights since the second JMM fight he's been matched up against an opponent tailor made for his style. Arum and Roach WILL not let this man get in the ring with a slick, elusive, defensive fighter. They simply wont, and it's been a trend throughout his entire career, and the double standards are quickly becoming ridiculous.

For example, as I stated above, Pac hardly gets any criticism for not fighting Mosely when his camp openly ducked him. I don't get it? Same for Raheem. Raheem dominates Erik Morales for 11 out of 12 rounds, and instead of fighting Raheem, Manny fights a shot Morales.

You want to talk about cherry picking?

By Roach's own admission DLH was a dead man walking whom no longer desired to fight when he was matched up against Manny. He was literally drained and dehydrated, and this came straight from the mouth of Pacs camp.

Cotto? Again by team Pacs admission, Cotto was damaged goods who'd had his career ruined by Margarito. Did that stop them from fighting and hyping the fight? Nope.

Hatton? Again, by Team Pacs own admission, he'd been ruined by Mayweather, and was coming off a fight where he'd been brutalized by Lazcano. They still fought him and the boxing world acted as if it were a huge fight.

Clottey? Don't get me started. The man was a walking punching bag. The sad part is, based upon the shots he was landing when he decided to actually open up and throw punches, he could have possibly pulled the upset.

As others have stated, the double standards are quite amazing.

[iLLmatic]

Re: I'm *****ly convinced. Pac's the real deal.

According to Roach, Mosely was "too good" to fight Pac without first weight draining him. Mosely even offered to come in at 140 for Pac, but nope, too much of a risk. That's the definition of ducking someone.

Encase everyone has yet to notice the pattern, nearly every one of Pacs fights since the second JMM fight he's been matched up against an opponent tailor made for his style. Arum and Roach WILL not let this man get in the ring with a slick, elusive, defensive fighter. They simply wont, and it's been a trend throughout his entire ******, and the double standards are quickly becoming ridiculous.

For example, as I stated above, Pac hardly gets any criticism for not fighting Mosely when his camp openly ducked him. I don't get it? Same for Raheem. Raheem dominates Erik Morales for 11 out of 12 rounds, and instead of fighting Raheem, Manny fights a shot Morales.

You want to talk about cherry picking?

By Roach's own admission DLH was a dead man walking whom no longer desired to fight when he was matched up against Manny. He was literally drained and dehydrated, and this came straight from the mouth of Pacs camp.

Cotto? Again by team Pacs admission, Cotto was damaged goods who'd had his ****** ruined by Margarito. Did that stop them from fighting and hyping the fight? Nope.

Hatton? Again, by Team Pacs own admission, he'd been ruined by Mayweather, and was coming off a fight where he'd been brutalized by Lazcano. They still fought him and the boxing world acted as if it were a huge fight.

Clottey? Don't get me started. The man was a walking punching bag. The sad part is, based upon the shots he was landing when he decided to actually open up and throw punches, he could have possibly pulled the upset.

As others have stated, the double standards are quite amazing.

Standing Ovation

NK, you give us hope that there are some real boxing fans still around and not just a bunch of Paquians. Bravo.

As I've asked, why is he not looking to give the Berto's or Valero's a shot for the title? No. He wants Margarito, yet more damaged goods. See a pattern folks?

[Vast]

Re: I'm *****ly convinced. Pac's the real deal.

Ok. Well, what would you say if Pac fights the winner of Mosely vs Mayweather?

Post fight Pac vs Clottey, Pac called out Mayweather and then said he'd fight Mosely.