Pacquiao to Fight Margarito in November

[grunt]

Re: Pacquiao to Fight Margarito in November

Sparring though? Sparring?

I just don't get that one, it's lost on me. I don't care about sparring sessions from the past.

Anyway, once again it wasn't a fight against Clottey. That was an embarrassment to the sport.

If PBF did the same thing as Clottey, it would be the same outcome too. I am still not sure why you are using Clottey as some sort of measuring stick... as if to say PBF will execute the same strategy as Clottey.

I really don't think there is anything else to be said about this. The internet has spoken for both camps and really I don't think it's reasonable to say either one has a major advantage. It's a dead horse.

I found PBF sparring with professionals/championship caliber fighters amazing. I guess that is just me. Boxing is a small community and sparring against quality opponents as an amateur is important in a development of a fighter. Oscar boxed/sparred Julio Chavez and these experiences are important relative to experiencing as many styles/skill sets as possible.

PBF is a fighter's fighter.

Now regarding Clottey and I am going to see this again is that Manny wasn't able to break through his defense. PBF is a better defensive fighter and the best counter puncher in boxing while Manny is a poor defensive fighter in both execution and technique. I am saying when Manny throw and drop his hands PBF will counter whereas Clottey just watch. This is boxing 101.

There are too many tapes on both fighters but most let the WWE atmosphere cloud their judgement.

[bigeastbumrush]

Re: Pacquiao to Fight Margarito in November

shhhh PBF has defense. Please show Clottey face after his fight with Manny.

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[Money99]

Re: Pacquiao to Fight Margarito in November

Yes, I am using a defensive fighter against an offensive fighter. I have seen Sweet Pee vs Chavez and Chavez was one of the most accurate fighters I ever seen but I watched how a slick south paw made a hard fight easy. I am not a homer but it is too much history of great defensive fighters taking out great offensive fighters.

Manny habe faced quick/fast/ fighters in his career both sparring and professional. I don't think Manny faced anyone like PBF.

If you want to talk history watch some of Floyd's previous fights against southpaws. He had a heck of a time figuring Judah out. It's also why he avoided Stevie Johnson like the plague.

Ex Cabrera's very right in that this won't be an easy fight for either guy. They both bring lots to the table that neither fighter has experienced before.
It's for that reason that this fight must be made. Not only is it a collision of the two best boxers in the world, but it'll make for an entertaining bout as well.

It's a coin-flip and as much as I dislike Floyd for being a chicken, if this fight were to happen, I'd simply sit back and enjoy.
I'm happy either way, no matter who wins.
Most of my emotional ties to this fight and Floyd have to do with him running scared, while he's running his mouth.
I'm tired of boxing always being the whipping boy and it's because of cowards like Floyd that are causing the sport harm. Sign the frickin' papers already PBF!

[Jukeman]

Re: Pacquiao to Fight Margarito in November

Is this true?

Did Team Pac really force Marg to piss test before the fight?

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=25759&more=1

Team Pacquiao forced Margarito to take a piss moments before they entered the ring. That was based on speculation (NOT PROOF) that he had taken something before the fight. That wasn't commission based either...

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Pacquiao to Fight Margarito in November

The hell? How would anyone force Margs to take a urine test moments before the fight?

Get out of here with that BS man. It's over, let's just move on to this mythical PBF/Pac match up.

Have no idea why you would even post that garbage.

Right before they got in the ring HBO reported that both camps were acting like bitches, one arguing about Pac's tape job the other claiming Margs was taking speed.

Pac's camp wanted Margs to pee before he entered the ring, Margs wanted Pac's hands to be re-wrapped, but ultimately both camps withdrew their bids and went on with the night.

End that noise.

[Jukeman]

Re: Pacquiao to Fight Margarito in November

The hell? How would anyone force Margs to take a urine test moments before the fight?

Get out of here with that BS man. It's over, let's just move on to this mythical PBF/Pac match up.

Have no idea why you would even post that garbage.

Right before they got in the ring HBO reported that both camps were acting like bitches, one arguing about Pac's tape job the other claiming Margs was taking speed.

Pac's camp wanted Margs to pee before he entered the ring, Margs wanted Pac's hands to be re-wrapped, but ultimately both camps withdrew their bids and went on with the night.

End that noise.

If you read the question Im sure you would get a idea why I post it...

Genius..

Does OS have a Defensive Player of the Year award people are competing for?

Cant get a normal post around here anymore...

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Pacquiao to Fight Margarito in November

I don't know what you mean by that post..

It's just funny why you would bother asking about nothing more than speculation from a blogger who has no proof of anything.

[Jukeman]

Re: Pacquiao to Fight Margarito in November

I don't know what you mean by that post..

It's just funny why you would bother asking about nothing more than speculation from a blogger who has no proof of anything.

Thats why I post it here and ask if it was true...

Everything in your post except for the last paragraph was uncalled for....

And Im pretty sure the guy who was interview is a writer

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Pacquiao to Fight Margarito in November

Lmbo. There's a distinction.

It's not me being defensive as much as me asking you to provide something a bit more credible than the trash you linked.

If another site or source actually presents some evidence, it'd be different. Until then not sure why you would even bother asking about that since there is not one shred of proof.

But if you guys want to discuss something like that go for it.

[Jukeman]

Re: Pacquiao to Fight Margarito in November

Lmbo. There's a distinction.

It's not me being defensive as much as me asking you to provide something a bit more credible than the trash you linked.

If another site or source actually presents some evidence, it'd be different. Until then not sure why you would even bother asking about that since there is not one shred of proof.

But if you guys want to discuss something like that go for it.

You are being defensive, exactly why do I need a more "credible" link if I'm asking if these speculations are true or not?

Do I need a link from ESPN or something?

I didnt see the fight but you just said

Pac's camp wanted Margs to pee before he entered the ring, Margs wanted Pac's hands to be re-wrapped, but ultimately both camps withdrew their bids and went on with the night.

So it isnt like the writter just made something up...

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Pacquiao to Fight Margarito in November

I don't care who reports it, it'd just be nice to have a shred of evidence so there's something to discuss.

Kellerman before the fight was in the locker rooms and said that Pac's camp wanted Margs to pee before he got into the ring, but it definitely wasn't necessary by any rule. It made sense, we all saw Margs drinking coffee before the fight. It was very WWE on both camp's part.

So that's why it sounds so ridiculous to say "Pac's camp forced Margs to piss". There's no stipulation stating Margs would have to do anything.

Like I said, it's not me being defensive it's me questioning why you would bother posting garbage.

[grunt]

Re: Pacquiao to Fight Margarito in November

I don't care who reports it, it'd just be nice to have a shred of evidence so there's something to discuss.

Kellerman before the fight was in the locker rooms and said that Pac's camp wanted Margs to pee before he got into the ring, but it definitely wasn't necessary by any rule. It made sense, we all saw Margs drinking coffee before the fight. It was very WWE on both camp's part.

So that's why it sounds so ridiculous to say "Pac's camp forced Margs to piss". There's no stipulation stating Margs would have to do anything.

Like I said, it's not me being defensive it's me questioning why you would bother posting garbage.

Is this why you are so defensive...

Team Pacquiao forced Margarito to take a piss moments before they entered the ring. That was based on speculation (NOT PROOF) that he had taken something before the fight. That wasn't commission based either, yet when they have a suspicion they can act on it......but no one else can? Sorry fellas, but anyone who supports that is a hypocrite. Nothing less. Take the emotions out of your thoughts and you'll see reality for what it is. THERE IS NO LEGITIMATE REASON WHY ANY ATHLETE TODAY SHOULD REFUSE A DRUG TEST USING THE BEST TECHNOLOGY AVAILABLE. NONE. I championed clean level performance in sports before I came exclusively to boxing, and I won't stop wanting equality because a man I admire chose to go the other route. Speculation is what led Richardson to check Margarito's gloves. Without that speculation, God only knows what Shane Mosley would be faced with now. There's a reason fighters are told to "protect themselves at all time". I can't be mad at Floyd and those around him for remembering that!

[Kanobi]

Re: Pacquiao to Fight Margarito in November

My reasons why I feel Pac would beat PBF...

Pac has a jab, a left straight, a right hook, a left hook, and can ko dudes with his uppercuts as well.

Plus he can and will throw all of those punches effectively at some rather absurd angles while moving in, out and laterally. To me this is the x-factor that somewhat negates the defensive/counter-punching tendencies of Mayweather. Not to mention Pac has speed, KO power and his stamina is insane.

Link - http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2041218082

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If Mayweather wins, I'll forever give him credit and trumpet him as the best fighter of his generation.

Same here. But to be honest....I don't see how Floyd wins this fight ...primarily because of what mentioned earlier as far as Pac's ability to throw accurate, devastating punches/combinations from just about every angle imaginable. But I have a couple of additional reasons:

- Floyd doesn't have enough power to make Pacquiao be hesitant. Not even Cotto could make Pac respect his power. That's going to be a problem because as long as that's the case, Pacquiao will clearly be the more active and more aggressive fighter throughout the entire fight however long it lasts.

- Along a similar vein, Floyd's counterpunching won't hurt Pacquiao due to a lack of power. Cotto caught Pacquiao with plenty of powerful, solid counters that Pacquiao didn't see but they did absolutely nothing to hurt Pacquiao or even slow him down.

Really, to win this fight IMO Floyd has to abandon his defense/counter-punch style and be more aggressive...go after Pacquiao and try to impose HIS offense on Pac instead of vice versa. But of course that's not going to happen because that'll get him KO'd.

So again, I don't see how Floyd wins. Pac has a great chin, awesome stamina, KO power in both hands, good footwork, underrated handspeed and just overall killer instinct. Meanwhile Floyd has great speed, defense and ring savy...but that suspect chin and lack of power is why I see Pacquiao winning. It's also why this fight didn't happen a long time ago.

Link - http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2041226290

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Some sequent responses....

So, you can imagine Manny landing those wild shots against Floyd.

Yes and they're not 'wild'. They're just thrown from odd angles but the punches themselves are still fast, precise and explosive.

The notion that Floyd doesn't have power is funny.

Funnier is your notion that Floyd can make Pacquiao respect his power when Pacquiao walked through Cotto's best shots - counters and all - relentlessly.

Link - http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2041228027

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So, when did Cotto turn into a defensive fighter that makes a fighter miss and then punish the fighter with accurate/leverage punches?

Cotto did counter Pacquiao...cleanly...throughout their entire fight...it did absolutely nothing to slow Pacquiao down. Really, for your argument -- that Floyd DOES have the power to make Pacquiao respect it and be hesitant -- to have any worth, you'd honestly have to believe Floyd has more power than Cotto. Do you? Yes or No?

Manny face was busted up by weak version Floyd (Clottey)

Lmao@ 'Busted Up"....how would you define that? I certainly wouldn't consider how Pacquiao looked after the Clottey fight as busted up...



Now this?.....




...That's "busted up"

Link - http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2041228312

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people are taking my comments and making more out of them, telling me what I feel and what my "standards" are instead of reading my comments and taking them exactly how they are written.

I empathize. Check out this gem...

So, when did Cotto turn into a defensive fighter that makes a fighter miss and then punish the fighter with accurate/leverage punches?

Cotto did counter Pacquiao...cleanly...throughout their entire fight...it did absolutely nothing to slow Pacquiao down. Really, for your argument -- that Floyd DOES have the power to make Pacquiao respect it and be hesitant -- to have any worth, you'd honestly have to believe Floyd has more power than Cotto. Do you? Yes or No?

Manny face was busted up by weak version Floyd (Clottey)

Lmao@ 'Busted Up"....how would you define that? I certainly wouldn't consider how Pacquiao looked after the Clottey fight as busted up...



Now this?.....




...That's "busted up"

You dealing with power out of context.

............... That's pure gold

Link - http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2041230656

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I was waiting on this and somebody took the bait...

Well considering the picture you chose to use was of Cotto after being hit by bricks from Margacheato he has a point to what he was saying. His face wasn't busted up from someone punching him with their natural power, it was from someone hitting him in the face with the equivilant of a cinderblock.

Okay...

Cotto after Margarito and Cinderblock...



Cotto after Pacquiao and No Cinderblock...



... This thread is awesome! You guys are great!

Link - http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2041236503


These exchanges still crack me up. Love these Pac vs PBF threads...

[grunt]

Re: Pacquiao to Fight Margarito in November

Kanobi, PBF is one of the best defensive fighters in the last 30 years. He also is one of the best counter punchers. Manny hold his hands low, just a tough match up for a offensive fighter with poor defense.

Defense beat offense. We will see.

Peace

PS

Please read the whole thread because your edit is out of context. You can pick whatever pictures you want but Cotto isnt PBF. So, if you want to discuss tacitcal aspect of the upcoming matchup is fine but the other stuff is pure fan boy.

Tricks are for kids

Peace

[Kanobi]

Re: Pacquiao to Fight Margarito in November

Kanobi, PBF is one of the best defensive fighters in the last 30 years. He also is one of the best counter punchers. Manny hold his hands low, just a tough match up for a offensive fighter with poor defense.

Defense beat offense. We will see.

Peace

PS

Please read the whole thread because your edit is out of context. You can pick whatever pictures you want but Cotto isnt PBF. So, if you want to discuss tacitcal aspect of the upcoming matchup is fine but the other stuff is pure fan boy.

Tricks are for kids

Peace

...God bless you, grunt