Yeah, in one of my posts I said weak may have been a little too strong of a word....more like suspect. When I think of a strong chin I think of guys like Margarito (before the Mosley fight) that would just take viscous shots and keep walking you down, kind of like what he did to Cotto. Manny is like that in some respects now too, but he has been floored earlier in his career, I will give you that.
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Yeah, in one of my posts I said weak may have been a little too strong of a word....more like suspect. When I think of a strong chin I think of guys like Margarito (before the Mosley fight) that would just take viscous shots and keep walking you down, kind of like what he did to Cotto. Manny is like that in some respects now too, but he has been floored earlier in his career, I will give you that.Last edited by Illustrator76; 06-25-2010, 09:25 AM. -
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I mean, it took Mosley 9 rounds of beating on Margarito to put him away, but Mosley had the potential to possibly finish Floyd in the 2nd round of their fight, but the combination of Mosley gassing and Mayweather recovering and getting defensive saved Mayweathers bacon. I personally feel that Mayweathers defense hides the potential chink in his armor which is his suspect chin, and there is nothing wrong with that, that's what good defense is supposed to do.
Also, with Mayweather (in my opinion) fighting smaller and non-threatening opponents (except for Mosley) has his chin truly been put to the test by a real talented guy that can actually hurt him other than Mosley? That's why I'd like to see Floyd fight guys like Williams, Cotto, Margarito, Berto and Manny. If he were to beat a few of those guys then I'd give Floyd credit as one (if not THE) of the greatest boxer(s) ever.Last edited by Illustrator76; 06-25-2010, 10:07 AM.Comment
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Cotto did counter Pacquiao...cleanly...throughout their entire fight...it did absolutely nothing to slow Pacquiao down. Really, for your argument -- that Floyd DOES have the power to make Pacquiao respect it and be hesitant -- to have any worth, you'd honestly have to believe Floyd has more power than Cotto. Do you? Yes or No?
Lmao@ 'Busted Up"....how would you define that? I certainly wouldn't consider how Pacquiao looked after the Clottey fight as busted up...
Now this?.....
...That's "busted up"
Cotto has no defense. He is very hittable do you think Pac will be as effective against Floyd?Comment
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When a boxer gets hit with a power shot that they don't see coming they're gonna wobble, if not go down. shane caught him clean that he didnt see coming and he didnt go down which in my book means he has a great chin. These brawlers that take punch after punch Margarito can see the shots coming and can then brace their self for the impact.
The point of boxing is not to see how many punches you can take before you go down. It's hit and don't get hit. PBF does that better than anybody I've seen. Floyd has my respect. You sound like you want him to get into some kind of street fight with a bigger man and his hands tied behind his back to prove he can take a punch.
I really don't think some will ever give PBF the credit he deserves, no matter who he fights. At first he was scared to fight Manny but then he fought someone bigger in Mosely. He wins and all of a sudden Shane is old and past his prime, or he got "gassed". Maybe PBF had something to do with that.Comment
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Well, I have my reasons for saying that (which I stated earlier in the thread) which I won't get in to because it would be kind of pointless and open up a can of worms that I probably wouldn't be able to close. I will say that another part of my reason for saying Mayweather's chin is suspect is because Mayweather is a very good defensive fighter, he ducks punches and then counters. But if a shot does get through and Mayweather does get hit with a shot that has SOME power behind it, he seems to wobble kind of easily. To Mayweathers credit (it hurt saying that, lol) he is able to recover and get defensive again. Fighters who are considered to have a strong chin usually have to take a barrage of strong shots before they get as hurt as Mayweather did in the 2nd round of the Mosley fight.
I mean, it took Mosley 9 rounds of beating on Margarito to put him away, but Mosley had the potential to possibly finish Floyd in the 2nd round of their fight, but the combination of Mosley gassing and Mayweather recovering and getting defensive saved Mayweathers bacon. I personally feel that Mayweathers defense hides the potential chink in his armor which is his suspect chin, and there is nothing wrong with that, that's what good defense is supposed to do.
Also, with Mayweather (in my opinion) fighting smaller and non-threatening opponents (except for Mosley) has his chin truly been put to the test by a real talented guy that can actually hurt him other than Mosley? That's why I'd like to see Floyd fight guys like Williams, Cotto, Margarito, Berto and Manny. If he were to beat a few of those guys then I'd give Floyd credit as one (if not THE) of the greatest boxer(s) ever.
Shane was winded but when a fighter miss punches it take more energy out of a fighter. When a fighter miss and then counter it sucks the energy and the will from the fighter. By the mid rounds you saw a tired and a broken fighter in Mosley. Mosley is the same fighter that Pac people would let him in the ring but Floyd made a world class opponent an easy fight.Comment
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When a boxer gets hit with a power shot that they don't see coming they're gonna wobble, if not go down. shane caught him clean that he didnt see coming and he didnt go down which in my book means he has a great chin. These brawlers that take punch after punch Margarito can see the shots coming and can then brace their self for the impact.
The point of boxing is not to see how many punches you can take before you go down. It's hit and don't get hit. PBF does that better than anybody I've seen. Floyd has my respect. You sound like you want him to get into some kind of street fight with a bigger man and his hands tied behind his back to prove he can take a punch.
I really don't think some will ever give PBF the credit he deserves, no matter who he fights. At first he was scared to fight Manny but then he fought someone bigger in Mosely. He wins and all of a sudden Shane is old and past his prime, or he got "gassed". Maybe PBF had something to do with that.Comment
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When a boxer gets hit with a power shot that they don't see coming they're gonna wobble, if not go down. shane caught him clean that he didnt see coming and he didnt go down which in my book means he has a great chin. These brawlers that take punch after punch Margarito can see the shots coming and can then brace their self for the impact.
The point of boxing is not to see how many punches you can take before you go down. It's hit and don't get hit. PBF does that better than anybody I've seen. Floyd has my respect. You sound like you want him to get into some kind of street fight with a bigger man and his hands tied behind his back to prove he can take a punch.
I really don't think some will ever give PBF the credit he deserves, no matter who he fights. At first he was scared to fight Manny but then he fought someone bigger in Mosely. He wins and all of a sudden Shane is old and past his prime, or he got "gassed". Maybe PBF had something to do with that.Last edited by Illustrator76; 06-25-2010, 11:52 AM.Comment
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No not at all, I just Floyd to fight real competition in his weight class that can actually challenge him. I'm sorry, but Juan Manuel Marquez, Ricky Hatton, Carlos Baldomir, Arturo Gatti, etc... don't fall in to that category. Shane Mosley does fall in to that category and I give Floyd credit for fighting Mosley, but there are plenty more top flight guys in the division that Floyd could cement his legacy on, if he is so great. Ali didn't become a legend by fighting bums, he fought the absolute best the Heavyweight division had to offer at that time. There is no way on earth people can say the same thing about Floyd, they just can't.Comment
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Floyd beat everybody he fought. Has never been down. He was on he game every fight which is not a given. Maybe he is just making the opponents look less than formidable because he is so dominant. Its like watchin Usain Bolt race and thinking "Man those other dudes are really really slow". PBF will be on his game when/if manny takes the test. And by your standards even if he beats Manny he won't get credit for it because Manny is smaller and Floyd didn't let him hit him in the face repeatedly to confirm he has a great chin.
On that note, I think I'm done. There is really no point in debating this any further as we just seem to be going in circles, and people are taking my comments and making more out of them, telling me what I feel and what my "standards" are instead of reading my comments and taking them exactly how they are written.Last edited by Illustrator76; 06-25-2010, 11:52 AM.Comment
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OK man, I've been through this kind of thing already in this thread. My post above yours explains exactly how I feel very clearly. If you think that Floyd is making guys like Juan Manuel Marquez, Ricky Hatton, Carlos Baldomir, and Arturo Gatti look less than formidable, then I'm not even going to try discussing this with you. I'd like to see Floyd make guys like Paul Williams, Manny Pacquiao, Miguel Cotto, Andre Berto and even Antonio Margarito look less than formidable. I want to see Floyd fight THE BEST in his division like all of the greats did/do.
On that note, I think I'm done. There is really no point in debating this any further as we just seem to be going in circles.
every opponent on your list someone will there is already an out/excuse for the Floyd haters. Berto= no experience Cotto= already lost was already on his way out of boxing, Pac = to small, Margarito = never the same mentally after being found cheating......
Beside Pac and berto he shouldnt waste his time fighting none of them and he shouldnt fight Berto until he fight and beat someone on that list himself...the same goes for pac he shouldnt fight them either its no pointComment
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I think the only problem your list of hatton, baldomir, gatti, marquez, was on the list with pac, williams, cotto, and berto befor floyd beat them. I know for sure about hatton and Marquez people was on the board saying they can beat floyd or floyd will lose.
every opponent on your list someone will there is already an out/excuse for the Floyd haters. Berto= no experience Cotto= already lost was already on his way out of boxing, Pac = to small, Margarito = never the same mentally after being found cheating......
Beside Pac and berto he shouldnt waste his time fighting none of them and he shouldnt fight Berto until he fight and beat someone on that list himself...the same goes for pac he shouldnt fight them either its no pointLast edited by Illustrator76; 06-25-2010, 11:53 AM.Comment
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True, but Manny also beat Cotto, Clottey and had wars with guys like Erik Morales and Marco Antonio Barrera numerous times, and a lot of times Manny was moving up in weight and still beating guys...by KO nonetheless. I personally wouldn't build-in excuses if Mayweather beat a few of the guys I listed. I can't speak for anyone else, but I would give Mayweather his due. I simply want to see Floyd fight what are considered to be the best fighters in his division. Mosley was a good start.Comment
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Mosley "gave up after he didnt get the ko", "got gassed" is an excuse. People said they would give PBF credit for whipping on Mosley too. Saying he beat mosley, but he only won because...fill in the blank, is an excuse. He beat Mosley and everybody else because he is better than them.Last edited by Illustrator76; 06-25-2010, 12:50 PM.Comment
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Also, with Mayweather (in my opinion) fighting smaller and non-threatening opponents (except for Mosley) has his chin truly been put to the test by a real talented guy that can actually hurt him other than Mosley? That's why I'd like to see Floyd fight guys like Williams, Cotto, Margarito, Berto and Manny. If he were to beat a few of those guys then I'd give Floyd credit as one (if not THE) of the greatest boxer(s) ever.No not at all, I just want Floyd to fight real competition in his weight class that can actually challenge him. I'm sorry, but Juan Manuel Marquez, Ricky Hatton, Carlos Baldomir, Arturo Gatti, etc... don't fall in to that category. Shane Mosley does fall in to that category and I give Floyd credit for fighting Mosley, but there are plenty more top flight guys in the division that Floyd could cement his legacy on, if he is so great. Ali didn't become a legend by fighting bums, he fought the absolute best the Heavyweight division had to offer at that time. There is no way on earth people can say the same thing about Floyd, they just can't.
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