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  • grunt
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    • Jul 2002
    • 9527

    #91
    Re: Pacquio Agrees to Mayweathers Blood Testing Demands

    Originally posted by Money99
    Could very well play out this way.
    The one thing that Manny has going for him is that he's going to press the action.
    Maybe he pulls a Holyfield and fights conservatively for 2:30 and then the last 30 seconds gives a few flurries and convinces the judges he won the round by being more active.

    The judges will be looking to give Pac the win. So in that respect, Mayweather is going to have to beat up Pac somewhat to win the majority of rounds.
    When Manny throws early or late in the round the bigger and longer reach Floyd will counter. The notion that Floyd doesn't have power is funny. We all see how Floyd make fighters hesitant throwing their punches. Why, when they throw Floyd counter.

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    • Relentless
      Banned
      • Oct 2009
      • 188

      #92
      Re: Pacquio Agrees to Mayweathers Blood Testing Demands

      I honestly think people just regurgitate.. what the media floyd haters say.. and havent seen many floyd fights...

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      • Illustrator76
        Sorry, I Got Nothing...
        • Jan 2003
        • 2216

        #93
        Re: Pacquio Agrees to Mayweathers Blood Testing Demands

        Originally posted by Relentless
        I honestly think people just regurgitate.. what the media floyd haters say.. and havent seen many floyd fights...
        I just think that people have different opinions....it's not such a strange thing.

        Originally posted by Kanobi
        Same here. But to be honest....I don't see how Floyd wins this fight ...primarily because of what mentioned earlier as far as Pac's ability to throw accurate, devastating punches/combinations from just about every angle imaginable. But I have a couple of additional reasons:

        - Floyd doesn't have enough power to make Pacquiao be hesitant. Not even Cotto could make Pac respect his power. That's going to be a problem because as long as that's the case, Pacquiao will clearly be the more active and more aggressive fighter throughout the entire fight however long it lasts.

        - Along a similar vein, Floyd's counterpunching won't hurt Pacquiao due to a lack of power. Cotto caught Pacquiao with plenty of powerful, solid counters that Pacquiao didn't see but they did absolutely nothing to hurt Pacquiao or even slow him down.

        Really, to win this fight IMO Floyd has to abandon his defense/counter-punch style and be more aggressive...go after Pacquiao and try to impose HIS offense on Pac instead of vice versa. But of course that's not going to happen because that'll get him KO'd.

        So again, I don't see how Floyd wins. Pac has a great chin, awesome stamina, KO power in both hands, good footwork, underrated handspeed and just overall killer instinct. Meanwhile Floyd has great speed, defense and ring savy...but that suspect chin and lack of power is why I see Pacquiao winning. It's also why this fight didn't happen a long time ago.
        Good points. I still would like to see Manny impose his offense on Floyd if for no other reason than if the fight comes down to a decision, Manny won't get jobbed because of lack of activity or some junk like that.
        Last edited by Illustrator76; 06-24-2010, 09:33 PM.

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        • Relentless
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          • Oct 2009
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          #94
          Re: Pacquio Agrees to Mayweathers Blood Testing Demands

          Saying fighters havent fought anyone and discrediting there legacy.. is a lil bit different than different opinions

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          • Illustrator76
            Sorry, I Got Nothing...
            • Jan 2003
            • 2216

            #95
            Re: Pacquio Agrees to Mayweathers Blood Testing Demands

            Originally posted by Relentless
            Saying fighters havent fought anyone and discrediting there legacy.. is a lil bit different than different opinions
            No it's not, it's my/other people's OPINION on the quality of the fighters competition and their standing in boxing history. Any boxing all-time greats list is nothing but people's opinion, but you do almost always see the same names at the top of all of them (e.g. Ali, Ray Robinson, Louis, etc...). BTW, I have said before/will say again that I gave Floyd some credit for fighting Mosley. I'd just like to see him fight some more top flight competition like Cotto, Williams (if he moves down in weight), Berto, Manny and maybe even a Margarito (even though I wouldn't call him "top flight" anymore) before I would consider him one of the greatest ever, especially with as much yapping as Floyd does about how great he is.........it's just my opinion, nothing more

            What I also don't get is why some media members are considered to be "hating" on Floyd. That doesn't make sense to me. Mike Tyson was just as rude, said nasty things to media members and basically acted like a *bleep* for most of his career, yet I've never heard of any media members or people in the boxing community saying that he wasn't one of the greatest boxers ever, so why would they treat Floyd any different unless there was (what they believe to be) a valid reason?

            If you disagree with my opinions then that's fair, I'm not mad about it, it's really not that deep.
            Last edited by Illustrator76; 06-24-2010, 11:46 PM.

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            • Kanobi
              H*F Cl*ss *f '09
              • Apr 2003
              • 6054

              #96
              Re: Pacquio Agrees to Mayweathers Blood Testing Demands

              Originally posted by grunt
              So, you can imagine Manny landing those wild shots against Floyd.
              Yes and they're not 'wild'. They're just thrown from odd angles but the punches themselves are still fast, precise and explosive.

              Originally posted by grunt
              The notion that Floyd doesn't have power is funny.
              Funnier is your notion that Floyd can make Pacquiao respect his power when Pacquiao walked through Cotto's best shots - counters and all - relentlessly.

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              • grunt
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                • Jul 2002
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                #97
                Re: Pacquio Agrees to Mayweathers Blood Testing Demands

                Originally posted by Kanobi
                Yes and they're not 'wild'. They're just thrown from odd angles but the punches themselves are still fast, precise and explosive.



                Funnier is your notion that Floyd can make Pacquiao respect his power when Pacquiao walked through Cotto's best shots - counters and all - relentlessly.
                Those "odd punches" leave big counter windows. Kind of made to order for a fighter like a Pernell/Floyd.

                So, when did Cotto turn into a defensive fighter that makes a fighter miss and then punish the fighter with accurate/leverage punches? Do you think Manny would ever fight Shane? If Floyd made bigger fighters such as Shane respect his power why would you think Manny would walk through Floyd.

                Earlier someone said how Manny only threw 618 punches in an earlier fight. How many punches do you think he will throw against a counter punch. Manny face was busted up by weak version Floyd (Clottey) what do you think going to happen when a better, world class fighter get in the ring.

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                • Kanobi
                  H*F Cl*ss *f '09
                  • Apr 2003
                  • 6054

                  #98
                  Re: Pacquio Agrees to Mayweathers Blood Testing Demands

                  Originally posted by grunt
                  So, when did Cotto turn into a defensive fighter that makes a fighter miss and then punish the fighter with accurate/leverage punches?
                  Cotto did counter Pacquiao...cleanly...throughout their entire fight...it did absolutely nothing to slow Pacquiao down. Really, for your argument -- that Floyd DOES have the power to make Pacquiao respect it and be hesitant -- to have any worth, you'd honestly have to believe Floyd has more power than Cotto. Do you? Yes or No?

                  Originally posted by grunt
                  Manny face was busted up by weak version Floyd (Clottey)
                  Lmao@ 'Busted Up"....how would you define that? I certainly wouldn't consider how Pacquiao looked after the Clottey fight as busted up...



                  Now this?.....




                  ...That's "busted up"

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                  • Dame
                    Sweettouch
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 1246

                    #99
                    Re: Pacquio Agrees to Mayweathers Blood Testing Demands

                    Originally posted by Kanobi
                    So again, I don't see how Floyd wins. Pac has a great chin, awesome stamina, KO power in both hands, good footwork, underrated handspeed and just overall killer instinct. Meanwhile Floyd has great speed, defense and ring savy...but that suspect chin and lack of power is why I see Pacquiao winning. It's also why this fight didn't happen a long time ago.
                    Where is people getting this suspect Chin from. Espeecially a guy who fought 40 fights and never been knock down - someone please explain
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                    • Illustrator76
                      Sorry, I Got Nothing...
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 2216

                      #100
                      Re: Pacquio Agrees to Mayweathers Blood Testing Demands

                      Originally posted by sweettouch
                      Where is people getting this suspect Chin from. Espeecially a guy who fought 40 fights and never been knock down - someone please explain
                      I thought you said earlier that you somewhat agreed with that, but that it hasn't been proven in the ring. Are you strictly talking about him never being floored in the ring? I'm just trying to clarify, that's all.

                      Originally posted by Relentless
                      Because people dont know what the hell they are talking about.. lol its like arguing with kids
                      And someone could say the same about you. We've already been warned to tone it down, so why do you keep trying to go there?

                      As far as the busted up face argument guys are talking about, that means absolutely NOTHING whatsoever. Fedor's face is busted up after every fight, he is a bleeder, plain and simple. But the man wins fights, so at the end of the day, that's all that matters.
                      Last edited by Illustrator76; 06-25-2010, 09:10 AM.

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                      • Relentless
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                        • Oct 2009
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                        #101
                        Re: Pacquio Agrees to Mayweathers Blood Testing Demands

                        Originally posted by Illustrator76

                        And someone could say the same about you. We've already been warned to tone it down, so why do you keep trying to go there?
                        Man up.. no one was talking to you.. go play somewhere...

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                        • Pared
                          Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                          • Feb 2003
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                          #102
                          Re: Pacquio Agrees to Mayweathers Blood Testing Demands

                          I'm not going to say it again. Stop the arguing.
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                          • Dame
                            Sweettouch
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 1246

                            #103
                            Re: Pacquio Agrees to Mayweathers Blood Testing Demands

                            Originally posted by Illustrator76
                            I thought you said earlier that you somewhat agreed with that but that it hasn't been proven in the ring. Are you strictly talking about him never being floored in the ring? I'm just trying to clarify.
                            i didnt agree i just heard the rumors which you confirmed was true(I dont doubt it). But truth is only what i can see or what can be be proved. He has been hurt 2 or 3 times in fights but what boxer hasnt. if that is the case wouldnt Pac be consider to have a weak chin since has been hurt before.(i'm not saying he does)
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                            • Illustrator76
                              Sorry, I Got Nothing...
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 2216

                              #104
                              Re: Pacquio Agrees to Mayweathers Blood Testing Demands

                              Originally posted by sweettouch
                              i didnt agree i just heard the rumors which you confirmed was true(I dont doubt it). But truth is only what i can see or what can be be proved. He has been hurt 2 or 3 times in fights but what boxer hasnt. if that is the case wouldnt Pac be consider to have a weak chin since has been hurt before.(i'm not saying he does)
                              Gotcha, I won't argue that. I was just trying to clarify what you meant! Personally I think Manny has a stronger chin and can stand and go toe-to-toe with Floyd (if the fight came down to that). I see Floyd getting floored too many times trying to go toe-to-toe with a guy who has real power, I just don't think he can withstand that kind of barrage.
                              Last edited by Illustrator76; 06-25-2010, 09:18 AM.

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                              • Dame
                                Sweettouch
                                • Jul 2004
                                • 1246

                                #105
                                Re: Pacquio Agrees to Mayweathers Blood Testing Demands

                                Originally posted by Illustrator76
                                Gotcha, I won't argue that. I was just trying to clarify what you meant!
                                i guess when i hear weak chin i think of hatton or someone as soon as they get hit flush on the Chin the fight is over
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