Pacquio Agrees to Mayweathers Blood Testing Demands

[Pappy Knuckles]

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Another update as to how negotiations are progressing:

http://outofbounds.nbcsports.com/201...cherreport.com

Sounds very promising.

[Dame]

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"Reps 4 Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather hav agreed 2 terms, Top Rank's Bob Arum told SI. Deal needs 2 b approved by May" from Chris Mannix of sports illustrated twitter page

also from his page

"Arum told SI that Mayweather has until "mid July" to agree to deal for November 13th fight."

[pietasterp]

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Aw yeah - it's on like Donkey Kong...

[Nike Fattz]

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No not at all, I just want Floyd to fight real competition in his weight class that can actually challenge him. I'm sorry, but Juan Manuel Marquez, Ricky Hatton, Carlos Baldomir, Arturo Gatti, etc... don't fall in to that category. Shane Mosley does fall in to that category and I give Floyd credit for fighting Mosley, but there are plenty more top flight guys in the division that Floyd could cement his legacy on, if he is so great. Ali didn't become a legend by fighting bums, he fought the absolute best the Heavyweight division had to offer at that time. There is no way on earth people can say the same thing about Floyd, they just can't.

40% of Floyd's resume is composed of fighters who were world champions at the time he defeated them. Before jumping up to 147, which isn't his natural weight, nearly every time Floyd was in the ring he was matched up against bigger fighters.

Also, at the time Floyd fought Baldomir, Baldomir was the lineal champ and hadn't lost in 8 years. If you were around during the time, experts and historians alike were claiming a bout with Baldomir was a dangerous fight. It wasn't until after Floyd destroyed Baldo that people began claiming it was a mismatch. But of course, this is now commonplace in regard to Floyd and whoever it is he fights.

[Nike Fattz]

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OK man, I've been through this kind of thing already in this thread. My post above yours explains exactly how I feel very clearly. If you think that Floyd is making guys like Juan Manuel Marquez, Ricky Hatton, Carlos Baldomir, and Arturo Gatti look less than formidable, then I'm not even going to try discussing this with you. I'd like to see Floyd make guys like Paul Williams, Manny Pacquiao, Miguel Cotto, Andre Berto and even Antonio Margarito look less than formidable. I want to see Floyd fight THE BEST in his division like all of the greats did/do.

On that note, I think I'm done. There is really no point in debating this any further as we just seem to be going in circles, and people are taking my comments and making more out of them, telling me what I feel and what my "standards" are instead of reading my comments and taking them exactly how they are written.

Paul Williams is a fight that will never happen, and rightfully so. You don't see too many natural Welters lining up to fight someone who should be fighting at 154-168. Of course, everyones expects Floyd to fight him though.

Floyd intends to fight Manny Pacquiao, and already would have if it weren't for that tune up fight Manny took on in early March.

Miguel Cotto nor his camp wanted a fight with Floyd at 140. He sat ringside during the Gatti, witnessed firsthand just how talented a boxer Floyd is/was, and afterwards a proposal was never made.

Fight Andre Berto for what? Berto hasn't done anything to warrant a fight with Floyd. Hell, he isn't even an A class fighter in my opinion.

And we all know why Floyd never fought Margarito.

[Nike Fattz]

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Well, I have my reasons for saying that (which I stated earlier in the thread) which I won't get in to because it would be kind of pointless and open up a can of worms that I probably wouldn't be able to close. I will say that another part of my reason for saying Mayweather's chin is suspect is because Mayweather is a very good defensive fighter, he ducks punches and then counters. But if a shot does get through and Mayweather does get hit with a shot that has SOME power behind it, he seems to wobble kind of easily. To Mayweathers credit (it hurt saying that, lol) he is able to recover and get defensive again. Fighters who are considered to have a strong chin usually have to take a barrage of strong shots before they get as hurt as Mayweather did in the 2nd round of the Mosley fight.

I mean, it took Mosley 9 rounds of beating on Margarito to put him away, but Mosley had the potential to possibly finish Floyd in the 2nd round of their fight, but the combination of Mosley gassing and Mayweather recovering and getting defensive saved Mayweathers bacon. I personally feel that Mayweathers defense hides the potential chink in his armor which is his suspect chin, and there is nothing wrong with that, that's what good defense is supposed to do.

Also, with Mayweather (in my opinion) fighting smaller and non-threatening opponents (except for Mosley) has his chin truly been put to the test by a real talented guy that can actually hurt him other than Mosley? That's why I'd like to see Floyd fight guys like Williams, Cotto, Margarito, Berto and Manny. If he were to beat a few of those guys then I'd give Floyd credit as one (if not THE) of the greatest boxer(s) ever.

Yet Manny's been KO'd twice in his pro career, yet you see no reason to suspect his punch resistance?

So being a great defensive fighter equates to having a weak chin? I'm honestly confused by your post.

Floyd's only stepped into the ring being the bigger man in 2 fights since 2000. JMM and Hatton, but of course, this translates into Floyd "bullying smaller fighters". Odd considering he's been the "smaller fighter" in nearly every fight if his career.

[South318]

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Leonard Ellerbe, Floyd's adviser said they aren't in any negotiations with Arum or Top Rank. Anybody who believes Bob Arum is ********.

Floyd hasn't said anything.
Pacquiao hasn't said anything.

Only Bob Arum, the same guy who ruined the fight the first time, and said he would not do any negotiations in the media and he is.
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[Illustrator76]

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Yet Manny's been KO'd twice in his pro career, yet you see no reason to suspect his punch resistance?

So being a great defensive fighter equates to having a weak chin? I'm honestly confused by your post.

Floyd's only stepped into the ring being the bigger man in 2 fights since 2000. JMM and Hatton, but of course, this translates into Floyd "bullying smaller fighters". Odd considering he's been the "smaller fighter" in nearly every fight if his career.

Why are you taking a bunch of my posts and trying to start up another "discussion" with me? If you read one of my last posts you would have seen that I am done arguing/discussing this subject because it's pointless. It is clear to me that Mayweather supporters will never give an inch/have an open mind when it comes to this discussion. I have given Floyd credit for fighting Mosley (among other things), yet all you choose to do is find the Anti-Floyd comments in my posts and try to bait me in to an argument with you. It's not going to happen. No matter how much I explain anything I say, people will just pick one statement out of those comments and try to argue that.

A good example of my point is that I stated:

I will say that another part of my reason for saying Mayweather's chin is suspect is because Mayweather is a very good defensive fighter, he ducks punches and then counters. But if a shot does get through and Mayweather does get hit with a shot that has SOME power behind it, he seems to wobble kind of easily. To Mayweathers credit (it hurt saying that, lol) he is able to recover and get defensive again. Fighters who are considered to have a strong chin usually have to take a barrage of strong shots before they get as hurt as Mayweather did in the 2nd round of the Mosley fight.

Yet you say:
"So being a great defensive fighter equates to having a weak chin? I'm honestly confused by your post."

I clearly stated that while Floyd has great defense, when decent power shots DO get through his defense, he seems to wobble easier than other fighters I have seen. I also stated in one of my later posts that saying his chin was "weak" may have been an overstatement and that "a little suspect" was a probably a better word. If you disagree with my statements, then that's totally fine, but to say that "you are confused by my post" when I clearly stated what I meant in my post is something totally different. I also stated that Floyd has fought very few people that could actually hurt him anyway, so his chin hasn't been put to the test as much as other fighters have.

There are holes I could shoot in your points very easily, but as I said earlier, further discussion of this topic on my behalf is pointless. All I am interested in at this point is if/when Floyd and Manny are going to fight. This whole debate is going to be rendered moot if the fight never happens anyway.

People can say what/blame who they want to, but the ball is officially in Mayweathers court. Manny has met all of Floyds demands, yet everyone is still waiting on FLOYD, not Manny: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...iao/index.html

[Dame]

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he bated you Illustrator76 lol

[Illustrator76]

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he bated you Illustrator76 lol

Well, all I really did was explain why further argument/discussion in this thread on my behalf is pointless, I didn't try to counter any of his points at all; like I said: "All I am interested in at this point is if/when Floyd and Manny are going to fight". This whole thing will be for nothing if Floyd turns down the fight. I want to wait and see what happens with that whole deal.

[King_B_Mack]

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People can say what/blame who they want to, but the ball is officially in Mayweathers court. Manny has met all of Floyds demands, yet everyone is still waiting on FLOYD, not Manny: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...iao/index.html

In fairness, South is right. We've only heard from Arum that both sides have agreed. Dude is a lying sack of crap and he's basically just placed the blame in the public eye on Floyd if things don't get done by saying he's got until mid-July to answer and then they're moving on. It basically allows him to set up some other BS fight and avoid the Mayweather fight without Pacquiao taking the blame for it, but rather Floyd getting blame. This whole situation is annoying, but listening to Arum is like believing anything Nick Saban tells you.

[Illustrator76]

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In fairness, South is right. We've only heard from Arum that both sides have agreed. Dude is a lying sack of crap and he's basically just placed the blame in the public eye on Floyd if things don't get done by saying he's got until mid-July to answer and then they're moving on. It basically allows him to set up some other BS fight and avoid the Mayweather fight without Pacquiao taking the blame for it, but rather Floyd getting blame. This whole situation is annoying, but listening to Arum is like believing anything Nick Saban tells you.

Well I guess we'll see. I can only go by what I find, I don't see what the problem is IF Manny has agreed to the blood-testing, which by all accounts is what Floyd said the sticking point was. I'm just not understanding what the hold-up is if everything was in place before but the blood test was the ONLY sticking point. For my 2 cents I wouldn't trust Arum, Ellerbe or anyone else in boxing because everyone lies IMHO, except Freddie Roach, lol.

[av7]

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Mayweather lets the deadline pass, no deal

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=5388241

Top Rank promoter Bob Arum's deadline of 3 a.m. ET came and went Saturday morning with no response from Floyd Mayweather Jr. or his representatives about whether he would accept the terms of a deal for a Nov. 13 fight with Manny Pacquiao.

So there is no deal, Arum said, and he will begin negotiating another fight for the pound-for-pound king.

[thaima1shu]

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Unbelievable. What more can Mayweather possibly want in order to get him to fight Pacquiao?! Good grief.

[edaddy]

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Well I guess we'll see. I can only go by what I find, I don't see what the problem is IF Manny has agreed to the blood-testing, which by all accounts is what Floyd said the sticking point was. I'm just not understanding what the hold-up is if everything was in place before but the blood test was the ONLY sticking point. For my 2 cents I wouldn't trust Arum, Ellerbe or anyone else in boxing because everyone lies IMHO, except Freddie Roach, lol.

Agreed while I am a Mayweather fan this has got me puzzled. I can understand delaying the fight because of his uncles pending trial but his trial is very soon the fight wouldnt be until November. Secondly if Pac agreed to his testing demands as Mayweather stated he had to do after the Mosley fight what is the holdup. Personally I feel that Floyd knows that this is a very dangerous fight that could damage his legacy with a knockout loss. I see signs of Floyd slipping reflex an speedwise n maybe his insiders know that so he has to milk the game for everything until he faces Pac and a potential loss. While I still think he can beat Pac it's going to be an all out war and the type of fight he has yet to be in as of yet. Pac is busy, fast, and packs power he will force Floyd to work for 3 minutes of every round.If Pac hurts Floyd the way Shane did it's lights out...I see Floyd taking two lesser fights while Pac takes two rough fights in hopes of Pac eventually slowing down...Despite his win over Mosley which was overated due to the fact that mosley is a shell of himself..I think Floyd knows age is catching up to him....