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Lol man those guys were hype for nothing, making Ortiz's misses look like they were bombs haha
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Yea seemed like they were upset that Floyd won, major biased in their tone..
Floyd loves to play the villian so it works out at the end of the day.
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Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th
Another thing, when Floyd was popping Ortiz with those straights, they would mention "Ortiz is gaining confidence and Floyd must be wondering what he has to do to this guy because he's not even phased by his punches." Ummm...there's a reason Ortiz began to back up during the fight. Floyd may not have that one-punch KO power, but best believe, those punches start hurting after the adrenaline wears off. Ortiz definitely felt it.Comment
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Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th
LOL!!! I kept rewinding this and watching it over and over. Ortiz got ROCKED by Mayweather twice and Lampley say great shot by Ortiz. That happened a few times in the fight. In another instance Lampley keeps on rambling by Ortiz' up bringing and Mayweather in rocking him. He never even mentioned anything about it. The crowd was going crazy at that time too....LOL!!!!NBA 2K10Comment
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Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th
When boxers lose they are oftenthe most delusional people walking.. This one takes the cake.
When a fighter loses in a controversial manner, some sour grapes are to be expected. When those gripes are delivered at a post-fight press conference they are, to most, understandable. When they are delivered via conference call more than a week later they are, to everyone, embarrassing.
On Monday, Victor Ortiz — along with his promoter, Oscar De La Hoya and manager, Rolando Arellano — held a call to discuss his Sept. 17 knockout loss to Floyd Mayweather. And it didn’t take long for the call to spin out of control.
Ortiz claimed that his head butt of Mayweather — as overt, unsportsmanlike and illegal a shot as you will see in boxing — was prompted by Mayweather’s incessant elbowing, something Ortiz says he had repeatedly warned referee Joe Cortez about before the fight. “He released the elbow on me,” said Ortiz. “I released the head butt.”
• De La Hoya, whose feuding with Mayweather has escalated in recent months, claimed that none of his past opponents would have delivered the kind of cheap shots that Mayweather knocked Ortiz out with. “Not even a [Ricardo] Mayorga would have done that,” De La Hoya said. “Not even a Fernando Vargas. That’s a new technique that must be taught in boxing.”
• Despite losing eight of the nine rounds scored by the three judges — and being shut out on many ringside media cards as well — Ortiz claimed he was in control of the fight. “I was dictating,” Ortiz said.
• Ortiz trashed Mayweather’s power (“like getting slapped by a girl”) and claimed Mayweather needed to give him a rematch to prove he was the best pound-for-pound fighter in the sport. “Floyd is not respected, never will be in my eyes as a pound-for-pound fighter,” Ortiz said. “He feared that I was coming round after round. His punches were not fazing me, weren’t weakening me. Mine were. People like Floyd give boxing a bad name.”
• De La Hoya trashed referee Joe Cortez, claiming Cortez missed too many of Mayweather’s elbows and should have properly separated the two fighters after deducting a point from Ortiz for the head butt. “He’s refereed a lot of great fights and he’s one of the best refs out there but he must have had an off night,” De La Hoya said. “Ortiz’s camp was warning Cortez about the elbows. We saw at least 10-15 elbows coming from Floyd. There are pictures of Floyd’s elbow in Ortiz’s face. He must have had an off night. I know for a fact that Joe Cortez is much better than that. You take control of the fight. You tell each fighter, ‘Let’s fight clean.’ You put each fighter in a neutral corner and you say, ‘Let’s fight.’ He had no control of the fight.”
• Ortiz went one step further and insinuated that Mayweather and Cortez were friends, which is why Cortez was chosen to referee the fight.
There’s more, but it’s gibberish, nonsensical and utterly irrelevant. Ortiz didn’t do himself any favors with this conference call. Check Twitter. It’s carnage. You have to wonder who did think it was a good idea. Industry sources I talked to think it was Arrelano, whose client — who actually fights for Golden Boy — has been taking a backseat to Mayweather, who essentially rents the company out to do promotion for big fights. Arrelano was palpably upset throughout the call and was the most vocal of the bunch.
The bottom line is this: Ortiz was not getting a rematch before and he’s not getting one now. Regardless of what you thought of Mayweather’s knockout shots — I considered them a little unsportsmanlike, but perfectly legal — Mayweather was in complete control of the fight before he brought it to an abrupt end. His right hand was routinely finding Ortiz’s head while he successfully avoided many, if not most of Ortiz’s heavy shots when he was backed up.
You won’t find many fighters not on Golden Boy’s payroll who think the final shots were out of line, either. Ortiz apologized. Then apologized again. He apologized a third time — after Cortez can audibly be heard saying, “Let’s go” — and was dropped for not obeying boxing’s oldest axiom: protect yourself at all times. I thought Nevada state athletic commissioner Keith Kizer summed it up best: How many times did Ortiz want to hug him?
It’s ridiculous to suggest that Mayweather needs Ortiz for anything now, except for perhaps a sparring partner. Like Ricky Hatton, Juan Manuel Marquez and Shane Mosley before him, Ortiz talked the talk but ultimately couldn’t walk the walk. Mayweather needs to move on to Manny Pacquiao while Ortiz simply needs to move on.
There’s a way for Ortiz to get another crack at Mayweather, though his team doesn’t seem too inclined to explore it: Win. There are big, marketable fights out there for Ortiz, starting with a rematch with Andre Berto, the newly crowned IBF titleholder who fought two weeks before Ortiz did. That’s a fight that can be made in March. Then there is Amir Khan, the uber-popular Brit who will be moving up to 147 pounds next year and shares the same promoter. That’s a fight that could potentially be made in the fall.
If Ortiz beats Berto and Khan, he will be difficult for Mayweather — or Pacquiao, for that matter — to ignore. He can get the rematch he wanted and he will have done it the right way, by earning it. He will be a better, more popular fighter the next time, one much more prepared to face a talent like Mayweather on the brightest possible stage.
These are the things Ortiz should be focused on. Save the whining for something that matters and an audience that actually cares. Floyd Mayweather isn’t going to offer a rematch, and no one wants him to. Ortiz didn’t fall to the bottom of the ladder with the loss but he does need to work his way up.
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Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th
I've never thought of it that way before. Excellent observation.
When I saw that blow-up on 24/7 I felt bad for Floyd.
Sure, I don't like him (even though I appreciate his immense skills) but you could tell Floyd is always being hurt emotionally by his Dad.
It doesn't excuse him for a lot of his shinanigans, but you see where all of his shortcomings are from.
His dad was a fringe fighter but hearing him talk, you'd think he was the greatest boxer of all time.
If Sr and Jr went at it, with both in their primes, Jr would absolutely destroy his dad.Comment
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Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th
Floyd is in charge of picking all his opponents. His own management team has said as much.
He chose to come out of retirement and then picked an undersized Marquez.
Then he picked over-the-hill Mosley.
Is this the same Floyd that said "I never said I'd fight Pac after Ortiz". Because that same Floyd absolutely said (and on TAPE) that Pac was next.Originally posted by Bumi
ESPN's Dan Rafeal and several other scribes have him saying on tape that Pac was next, and now Floyd's backtracking.
Floyd cannot be trusted. The man is taped saying this and he still denies it.
So you can never use Floyd's words as gospel or truth.
Also, Manny has stated several times he's ready for unlimited USADA drug testing.
If you do enough googling, you'll find that many reliable sources have stated that Manny has agreed to the testing and that Floyd refuses to sign.
Like albert stated, HBO's own CEO has said that Manny agreed and Floyd declined.
DLH said the same thing, but later recanted his statement because he doesn't want to lose any money from promoting a Floyd fight.
Combine the facts. Floyd, his dad and his uncle all accuse Pac of doping. His Dad goes so far as to say he's afraid for his son's life if the two would fight.
Manny agrees to drug testing and Floyd still backs away.
Floyd wants nothing to do with a prime Pac. He'll wait and wait until Pac declines and then he'll pounce and tell everyone "I told you so".
This fight could have easily taken place after the Mayweather-Marquez fight. Easily.
Pacquio agreed to all his demands. Floyd knew that if he got in the ring with him then, he would have been in the fight of his life.
He cherishs that unblemished record more than life itself. Like fistorage pointed out, I think he knows if he takes a loss, he'll never hear the end of it from Sr.Last edited by Money99; 09-27-2011, 03:05 PM.Comment
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Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th
Ask yourself why did it take two years.. why now. forget that he allegedly is agreeing now.. Do we even know for sure.. why two years.. Some hard questions need to be asked
And criticizing him for shane and marquez.. really..
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Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th
So, back to the fight, since I just saw it last night (sorry I'm so late to the party, fellas)....
I guess it's all been covered already in the previous 52 pages, but for what it's worth, I think what happened falls under the category of violating the spirit, if not the letter of the law. I'm sort of a Mayweather fan (insomuch as someone can be one these days...), but it's hard to really be pumped up about what happened there, especially since the fight was just starting to heat up at that moment. As someone probably already articulated, my take on it is that Floyd was upset that Ortiz headbutted him, decided he was gonna cheap-shot him back, and after the glove-touch at center did just that. It was not illegal, but it was cheap in my opinion. We all know all about "protect yourself at all times", but there are certainly times where fighters mutually agree not to throw (i.e. at a glove touch at center) and I think this was one of them.
But Ortiz, while he can hit a ton, has some serious brain-farts in the ring. I really like the kid, but he does some bizarre things. Why the leaping head-butt in the corner? He was landing some shots, putting Mayweather on the ropes; I'm not saying he was winning the fight, but he was holding his own. I don't think you can definitely say Mayweather was dominating him to that point. I just feel cheated that it should have been a better fight and wasn't.
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Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th
Oh i definitely think you can say he was, look at the punch stats. And also re-watch some of the flurries that ortiz threw in slow motion(the ones that the crowd and lampley were busting a nut over lol). If you watch it in slow motion you'll notice that the vast majority of those punches are not even landing, they're sliding off his shoulder or being deflected. The few that did kind of land are being rolled with so the impact isn't nearly as big as people think. I don't think mayweather is to blame honestly, and all of this talk about how it's not noble or bad for the sport is nonsense. I can almost guarantee that if this had somehow happened to mayweather people would be cheering about what an amazing knockout it was. In this situation people have let their emotions get the best of them and overreact tremendously(not saying you are specifically). It's honestly all ortiz's fault. If he hadn't headbutted it wouldn't of even happened. But also he was just plain naive. After the first left hook lands instead of getting his guard up, he turns and looks at the ref. There was a pause between the two shots, it wasn't really a fast combo, ortiz had more then enough time to get his guard up. I honestly don't think mayweather expected to knock him out with that.
This isn't nearly as bad as people are exaggerating it to be, there have been similar times where a fighter retaliates to a dirty blow with another dirty blow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY1gr9pniIc
So how is it a big deal for mayweather to retaliate to a dirty move with a legal punch? Makes no sense.Comment
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Re: Mayweather-Ortiz Sept 16th
Yeah, definitely a grey area and open for interpretation. But, while I know the punch stats were lopsided and I saw that most of Ortiz's flurries missed, he was coming forward for 2nd-4th rounds and was the aggressor, and even though Floyd was painting him with isolated right hand leads, he didn't really seem affected IMO. And he did land some good clean shots on Floyd, which is rare to see (and a sign to me that some rust is starting to show...). I think the punch stats can be misleading, and if you're constantly the aggressor, I think it's reasonable to believe that at some point that pays off. Not saying Ortiz would've won, I'm just saying I think the fight was going to get really good before that happened.
But in the end, it was a legal K.O. Not much else you can say other than that....Comment
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