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[steelcityjames]

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I will never watch another Kambosos fight including a rematch withT-Lopez.

Yep.... Kambosos is a tough dude, but he basically sucks. No jab, no power, not much skill at all. His win over Lopez was definitely a fluke. I'm a tad disappointed in Haney for not stopping him.

[JayBee74]

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Wilder pulverizes Helenius. Is there any chance Usyk fights him?

[steelcityjames]

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Wilder pulverizes Helenius. Is there any chance Usyk fights him?

I think Andy Ruiz is probably next in a title eliminator. Wilder is definitely still a player in the heavyweight division as long as he doesn't have to face Fury again

[Money99]

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Wilder pulverizes Helenius. Is there any chance Usyk fights him?

Usyk said he'd fight Wilder if a Fury fight wasn't possible.
I'd pay to watch Ruiz-Wilder. I think that would be an entertaining bout.

[edaddy]

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I think Andy Ruiz is probably next in a title eliminator. Wilder is definitely still a player in the heavyweight division as long as he doesn't have to face Fury again

Dont get caught up in fools gold with Wilder!! Helenius was picked for a reason. He fought just like a sparring partner would and wilder knew his exact fighting skill!! Until Wilder gets his chin stsmina and ring IQ checked again we will not know the true wilder!! Ruiz beats him by outworking him and beating him up on the inside!!

[steelcityjames]

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Dont get caught up in fools gold with Wilder!! Helenius was picked for a reason. He fought just like a sparring partner would and wilder knew his exact fighting skill!! Until Wilder gets his chin stsmina and ring IQ checked again we will not know the true wilder!! Ruiz beats him by outworking him and beating him up on the inside!!

Of course he was picked for a reason... Nice, easy tune up fight for his return to the ring. I wouldn't pick Ruiz to beat him but it wouldn't shock me if he did either. Alot depends on Ruiz's condition and ability to take Wilder's power. If I was a betting man I'd pick Wilder, but maybe we'll see someday. Regardless, Wilder is still a major player in the division, like him or not

[JayBee74]

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Of course he was picked for a reason... Nice, easy tune up fight for his return to the ring. I wouldn't pick Ruiz to beat him but it wouldn't shock me if he did either. Alot depends on Ruiz's condition and ability to take Wilder's power. If I was a betting man I'd pick Wilder, but maybe we'll see someday. Regardless, Wilder is still a major player in the division, like him or not

Ruiz has those fast hands with power that could give anyone trouble; I don't know how Ortiz took that right hand from him in the 11th round.

Helenuis was lucky that was a Wilder arm punch with no body weight and full extension behind it because it was right on the button. Amazing he can generate that much power from that position although he did pull the right back a couple of inches to somewhat load up.

Dont get caught up in fools gold with Wilder!! Helenius was picked for a reason. He fought just like a sparring partner would and wilder knew his exact fighting skill!! Until Wilder gets his chin stsmina and ring IQ checked again we will not know the true wilder!! Ruiz beats him by outworking him and beating him up on the inside!!

Any Wilder deterioration wasn't applied to his punching power. If Ruiz can avoid direct hits and sneak in power punches like he did against Joshua (1) and Ortiz he has a chance but he's still the underdog.

[edaddy]

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Ruiz has those fast hands with power that could give anyone trouble; I don't know how Ortiz took that right hand from him in the 11th round.

Helenuis was lucky that was a Wilder arm punch with no body weight and full extension behind it because it was right on the button. Amazing he can generate that much power from that position although he did pull the right back a couple of inches to somewhat load up.



Any Wilder deterioration wasn't applied to his punching power. If Ruiz can avoid direct hits and sneak in power punches like he did against Joshua (1) and Ortiz he has a chance but he's still the underdog.

The power is the last thing to go from any fighter!! wilders legs and reflexes are deterirated to the point where if he gets in there with someine that can exploit him he is getting knocked out!! helenius was made to order and was knocked out by gerald washington!! ruiz will get insude like he does all the big fighters he fights and go yo the body and infight with quick combinations!! wilder has less than average infighting skills and will be pushed around!! I never get carried away with a one punch ko I look at how it was setup and the opponent no
way he sets up that shot with ruiz who many dont think is the underdog!! wilders legs are still skinny and akward when he moves!!but-he wont fight ruiz he has a better chance with joshua!!

again watch out for fools gold

[JayBee74]

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He still knocked Helenuis out in the first round with an arm punch, made Ortiz (2) comatose after being WAY behind and until Ruiz disproves the theory that only Fury can take a direct hit from Wilder and beat him you can't say that "Ruiz absolutely beats Wilder". Yeah, the punch is the last thing to go, but it's not to Andy's advantage that it's still there. Ruiz can get underneath and go inside but he's probably not getting up from a Wilder long right cross like he did in Ruiz-Joshua 1.

You can't question Wilder's heart but Ruiz's will be tested if these two get in the ring. He hurt Ortiz a couple of times but not only couldn't he put him away, he also loss some rounds he shouldn't have by periods of overcautiousness. Don't underestimate the fear factor when facing Deontay's legendary power; a few nervous stutter steps, some reluctance to let the hands go; then...BOOM!!

EXTRA: Ortiz says Wilder will kill Ruiz and wants a rematch (LOL). King Kong's self-serving remarks aside I think he is overestimating public interest in a Ruiz-Ortiz 2. The PPV numbers were reportedly in the 65,000 range and the biggest moments of their battle were when Ortiz was getting rattled or knocked down.

[steelcityjames]

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He still knocked Helenuis out in the first round with an arm punch, made Ortiz (2) comatose after being WAY behind and until Ruiz disproves the theory that only Fury can take a direct hit from Wilder and beat him you can't say that "Ruiz absolutely beats Wilder". Yeah, the punch is the last thing to go, but it's not to Andy's advantage that it's still there. Ruiz can get underneath and go inside but he's probably not getting up from a Wilder long right cross like he did in Ruiz-Joshua 1.



You can't question Wilder's heart but Ruiz's will be tested if these two get in the ring. He hurt Ortiz a couple of times but not only couldn't he put him away, he also loss some rounds he shouldn't have by periods of overcautiousness. Don't underestimate the fear factor when facing Deontay's legendary power; a few nervous stutter steps, some reluctance to let the hands go; then...BOOM!!



EXTRA: Ortiz says Wilder will kill Ruiz and wants a rematch (LOL). King Kong's self-serving remarks aside I think he is overestimating public interest in a Ruiz-Ortiz 2. The PPV numbers were reportedly in the 65,000 range and the biggest moments of their battle were when Ortiz was getting rattled or knocked down.

Absolutely spot on! Until he proves otherwise, Wilder would be favored over any heavyweight in the world right now not named Tyson Fury. Wouldn't shock me if he cleaned out the division before he retires, unless father time catches up with him first. There's also a chance he's already a shot fighter and he'll never win again... We'll see, but his power is still a huge factor. Not chasing fool's gold in any way, shape, or form.... Just being objective and realistic.

[edaddy]

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He still knocked Helenuis out in the first round with an arm punch, made Ortiz (2) comatose after being WAY behind and until Ruiz disproves the theory that only Fury can take a direct hit from Wilder and beat him you can't say that "Ruiz absolutely beats Wilder". Yeah, the punch is the last thing to go, but it's not to Andy's advantage that it's still there. Ruiz can get underneath and go inside but he's probably not getting up from a Wilder long right cross like he did in Ruiz-Joshua 1.

You can't question Wilder's heart but Ruiz's will be tested if these two get in the ring. He hurt Ortiz a couple of times but not only couldn't he put him away, he also loss some rounds he shouldn't have by periods of overcautiousness. Don't underestimate the fear factor when facing Deontay's legendary power; a few nervous stutter steps, some reluctance to let the hands go; then...BOOM!!

EXTRA: Ortiz says Wilder will kill Ruiz and wants a rematch (LOL). King Kong's self-serving remarks aside I think he is overestimating public interest in a Ruiz-Ortiz 2. The PPV numbers were reportedly in the 65,000 range and the biggest moments of their battle were when Ortiz was getting rattled or knocked down.

Lol of course ortiz is saying that he wants a rematch with ruiz!! wilder does have power but that shot he hit helenius with was due to helenius literally walking in with his hands down and not being active!!! Ive seen plenty of boxers kod just like that!! helenius has a sparring partners mentality and looked like a sparring partner coming in with his hands down!! ruiz wil push wilder and wilder has trouble with boxers who actually press the fight!! you mentioning ortiz like he is some all time heavyweight when in reality he has a weak chin and has lost every time he stepped up!! fury was a viable fighter and beat wilder really three times no matter how good the fights were!! a boxer that takes that much physical punishment will be exposed when he actually has to fight back use his reflexes and take a punch!! his legs are shot if you didnt see that in his last three fights including the helenius fight thats on you man!! problem is he has to fight someone with a pulse now because 65,000 ppv buys wont cut it!! also joshuas right hand and wilders right hand are thrown totally different!! trust me he will be in wilders chest pushing them skinny legs!! wilders heart is unquestioned but every-time he has stepped up he has lost and taken beatings!! you want to call those fringe fighters he has knocked out claim em but real fighters get up and fight back!! real fighters expose their opponents weakness!! trust me ortiz is made to order for him and he still shouldve been knocked out the first fight!!

[edaddy]

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Absolutely spot on! Until he proves otherwise, Wilder would be favored over any heavyweight in the world right now not named Tyson Fury. Wouldn't shock me if he cleaned out the division before he retires, unless father time catches up with him first. There's also a chance he's already a shot fighter and he'll never win again... We'll see, but his power is still a huge factor. Not chasing fool's gold in any way, shape, or form.... Just being objective and realistic.

Fools gold is my opinion point blank every fighter who has had power kept it later in his career and had tust fight where he knocked someone out later in his career and automatically everything else was prime again!! a good boxer will nulify this version of wilder he has no legs no reflexes and his chin has reached its limit!! a perfect sign of chin deterioration is when a boxer still wobbles when he moves around and gets straight legged every time he is hit!! I saw that the last 2 fights with fury!! helenius was the perfect opponent tio face he is used to losing!! In the end your entitled to whar you see and believe but the ruiz usyks sanchezes of the world will expose him!! his only shot is joshua who is another fighter who doesnt believe in himself and cant take a punch!!I say father time boxer punishment and lack of boxing skills has caught up to him you think otherwise but It was guaranteed we wouldnt find out with helenius!! lets see who he fights next that will tell you alot about his mentality!!

[JayBee74]

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you mentioning ortiz like he is some all time heavyweight when in reality he has a weak chin and has lost every time he stepped up!!

Well if he [Ortiz] stepped up against Deontay you wouldn't have to make the argument that Helenuis knocked himself out.

his [Wilder's] legs are shot if you didnt see that in his last three fights including the helenius fight thats on you man!!

Yes, the boxing world is taking note of Wilder's shot legs after he blew away Helenuis...

also joshuas right hand and wilders right hand are thrown totally different!!

Yeah, one is thrown with a lot more power.

[edaddy]

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cmon man you coming up with semantics now!! ortiz has lost every time he stepped up and like wilder was placed in bouts that were picked!! he also is 40 something years old and fought wilder because he had to!! with that he gave wilder near losses in both bouts!! wilder literary fought cans and never put his belt on the line against top heavyweights at that time!! he fought fury because he thought he had a easy mark in a almost 400 lb drug addicted and mentally ill boxer that literally beat him in two bouts and should have been given acwim in his comeback fight against

wilder!! you know why its because he is a a level fighter who fights back!! helenius got kod by gerald washington and has lost plenty of times he fought life and death with kowaniski? a d level heavyweight and a punching bag!! helenius was aldo a sparring partner who never believed he could beat wilder and did that same sparring partners move by pushing and approaching without hands up or being offensive!! thats what they have to do in sparting!!with that he ran into that punch!!joshua has a potent right hand just as strong as wilders with better boxing skill
he dropped ruiz but guess what a fighter fought back and beat him!! if you cant see how wilders legs look and how he is staggered with every blow its on you!! but when you see a fighter who just rely on his right hand cant in-fight or get out the way of punches and whose legs wobble after moving for half a round then you are ignoring your own eyes!! helenius got you gassed he is a c level fighter at best!!ruiz had a tougher fight than wilder because joshua can actually box!! Ive seen this act before but until

he gets stretched out again he will be given a pass and fans will have ultimate amnesia!!he will fight one of those fringe straight up
fighters until its truly go time against a fighter who can actually fight!! again there was a reason why he only had 65,000 ppv sales it was already written in sparring!! I respect everyones opinion so I dont get into the tit tats!! you are a boxing dude you know the difference we will both find out soon enough!!

[JayBee74]

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I dont get into the tit tats!! you are a boxing dude you know the difference we will both find out soon enough!!

LOL, yeah, we're good. Sometimes I get the feeling you don't like Deontay.

For me it's not complicated. I'm not saying Wilder scored longevity points in his trilogy with Fury, but sometimes boxing is more about the physics of collision than the sweet science.

I know the WBC is going to order the fight but it's not quite official. I favor Wilder but by no means do I guarantee he will prevail.

I'm focused on Bivol-Ramirez although I'm not crazy about putting up DAZN money for it.