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[gmac0322]

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Kovalev now saying that he didn't stand a chance with short training camp and lack of recovery after the yarde fight, but did it for the money.



Even if it's completely honest, I think it's a slim-ball move to publicly say those things. Don't sell a fight and ask people to pay and put trust in you, then turn around and say it was a joke. I hope that mf retires for good.



Even if that's true, it doesn't explain why he didn't sit down on any punches, it's not like you can't hit hard. The whole thing is very strange in retrospect. Krusher with those pitter-patter nothing shots as the bigger stronger guy with a puncher style vs a more boxer style that is lighter and shouldn't hit as hard as your other opponents.



Does anyone here think it's possible the fix was in? No doubt the KO was real, but for a paycheck big enough I'd consider letting someone drop me for real?



The whole thing just seems weirder after the fact.



I'm totally watching Ruiz Joshua 2 though - I really think it will be a great fight but I actually have AJ winning in my mind. KO.

Have they said what time the Ruiz vs Joshua fight is airing?

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[JayBee74]

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Have they said what time the Ruiz vs Joshua fight is airing?

According to Sporting News the undercard starts at 11 AM EST, with the main event coming in at around 4 PM EST.

[JayBee74]

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I'm totally watching Ruiz Joshua 2 though - I really think it will be a great fight but I actually have AJ winning in my mind. KO.

Man, I don't know what's going to happen, but can't wait! I wonder what AJ's slim downed physique will produce in the ring?

Ruiz is a 2-1 underdog.

[steelcityjames]

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Wilder with one of the most devastating right hands I've seen in a long time. Boom....all it takes is one

[gmac0322]

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Wilder with one of the most devastating right hands I've seen in a long time. Boom....all it takes is one

It's a good thing for him because he definitely needs that equalizer.

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[JayBee74]

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Didn't see the entire fight just an 8.5-minute highlight replay on YouTube.

How bad was Ortiz hurt? Wilder landed the blow with six seconds left in the seventh round, Ortiz wobbles to his feet at the bell and the ref still calls the fight.

[gmac0322]

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Didn't see the entire fight just an 8.5-minute highlight replay on YouTube.



How bad was Ortiz hurt? Wilder landed the blow with six seconds left in the seventh round, Ortiz wobbles to his feet at the bell and the ref still calls the fight.

Hey Jay. It's been a little while. I wouldn't say he was badly hurt. But he was flat on his back. Eyes were rolling back in his head. He took a long while to get up. I think at 7. Then he popped up and was visibly wobbly. Didnt have his equilibrium really. I think he got it back once the ref called it the bell went off. The punch was so fast and it was a perfect shot. On the forehead. You really dont see shots on the forehead ko people like that. Ortiz definitely was winning the fight up to the point. Just like Fury. Wilder definitely needs that power. He basically just looks for knock outs all of the time now. He was barely throwing anything the whole fight.

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[JayBee74]

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The punch was so fast and it was a perfect shot. On the forehead. You really dont see shots on the forehead ko people like that.

Yeah, I saw it from a few angles including slo-mo.

That punch was flusher than the one that Hearns took Duran out with. I don't know how Ortiz even got up.

[SHAKYR]

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Hey Jay. It's been a little while. I wouldn't say he was badly hurt. But he was flat on his back. Eyes were rolling back in his head. He took a long while to get up. I think at 7. Then he popped up and was visibly wobbly. Didnt have his equilibrium really. I think he got it back once the ref called it the bell went off. The punch was so fast and it was a perfect shot. On the forehead. You really dont see shots on the forehead ko people like that. Ortiz definitely was winning the fight up to the point. Just like Fury. Wilder definitely needs that power. He basically just looks for knock outs all of the time now. He was barely throwing anything the whole fight.

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Wilder is always looking for the knock out. He was just a little more patient with it. He actually didn't throw wild punches or slap with them.
Most heavyweights are looking for knockout if they can punch and Wilder can punch.

[Anthraticus]

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Wilder definitely needs that power. He basically just looks for knock outs all of the time now. He was barely throwing anything the whole fight.

Yea, he's not exactly the most exciting guy to watch.

[edaddy]

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Wilder is always looking for the knock out. He was just a little more patient with it. He actually didn't throw wild punches or slap with them.
Most heavyweights are looking for knockout if they can punch and Wilder can punch.

Agreed particularly for this fight wilder and ortiz knew what was going to happen..Ortiz ability to take a solid shot expired during the first wilder fight despite him getting into shape he knew that once he got hit it was over he was hurt his last fight against hamner and a boxer knows when they dont react to shots like they previously could..he fought the 0perfect fight getting in and out but he stood in front of wilder for one second too many instead of moving to wilders left at an angle like he did the whole fight..wilder has awful boxing skills but that sudden power allows him to overcome it at this point in his career..fury will give him a scare again but he doesnt have enough power over 12 rounds to keep wilder within striking range..

[allBthere]

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Agreed particularly for this fight wilder and ortiz knew what was going to happen..Ortiz ability to take a solid shot expired during the first wilder fight despite him getting into shape he knew that once he got hit it was over he was hurt his last fight against hamner and a boxer knows when they dont react to shots like they previously could..he fought the 0perfect fight getting in and out but he stood in front of wilder for one second too many instead of moving to wilders left at an angle like he did the whole fight..wilder has awful boxing skills but that sudden power allows him to overcome it at this point in his career..fury will give him a scare again but he doesnt have enough power over 12 rounds to keep wilder within striking range..

When they showed the tale of the tape Wilder vs Lewis (lennox) I couldn't help but think how he would have lost against many guys in the past. I'd have Forman, Lewis, Ali, Louis, Marciano, Klitschko, Patterson, Frazier Holyfield, Tyson and I'd even pick Joshua to win assuming he comes back to form and beats Ruiz - hell even Ruiz I'd think has a chance. So knowing that and seeing his record was tough to stomach that he's breaking Ali's record of Title defences, like he's only fought a couple of decent opponents. People pad their records too much before facing elite competition, I think it's sort of getting better and undefeated doesn't matter as much as it did even 5 years ago - but getting to be like 34-0 and waiting until you're in your 30s to test your metal is a bit of a waste to me.

[JayBee74]

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When they showed the tale of the tape Wilder vs Lewis (lennox) I couldn't help but think how he would have lost against many guys in the past. I'd have Forman, Lewis, Ali, Louis, Marciano, Klitschko, Patterson, Frazier Holyfield, Tyson and I'd even pick Joshua to win assuming he comes back to form and beats Ruiz - hell even Ruiz I'd think has a chance. So knowing that and seeing his record was tough to stomach that he's breaking Ali's record of Title defences, like he's only fought a couple of decent opponents. People pad their records too much before facing elite competition, I think it's sort of getting better and undefeated doesn't matter as much as it did even 5 years ago - but getting to be like 34-0 and waiting until you're in your 30s to test your metal is a bit of a waste to me.

A sub-200 pound glass-jawed Patterson (he won Olympic gold as a middleweight) up against Wilder? Floyd's brains were scrambled twice by Liston in two of the biggest blowouts in heavyweight championship history. I'm trying to figure out what he could do to last more than two rounds against Deontay-he would be frozen with fear.

[allBthere]

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A sub-200 pound glass-jawed Patterson (he won Olympic gold as a middleweight) up against Wilder? Floyd's brains were scrambled twice by Liston in two of the biggest blowouts in heavyweight championship history. I'm trying to figure out what he could do to last more than two rounds against Deontay-he would be frozen with fear.

I keep forgetting how small some of the old 'heavyweights' were, but to be fair - Patterson has the most brutal knockout of all time for me (left hook with the twitching feet). His overall Ko reel is maybe the most impressive of all time - he hit with dynamite! He had fast hands, 1-punch out-cold power as well.

https://youtu.be/o1Pq6RmpgaA

So if he were a heavy in his prime, he was so talented with so much power I'd give him a chance. Look at his highlight reel, for me it's un-matched with those punches he invented rag-doll animations hahaha

the left hook lungers on my list like Frazier I think would KO Wilder. * also Wilder is 219lbs? so it's not as big a difference as I originally thought - it's the height and reach

re Patterson though, - not a glass jaw at all - I went to his Boxrec. He had 5 losses via ko/tko - 2 to liston and 2 to Ali (both tko) and 1 tko to Ingemar Johansson which he avenged twice in a row to brutally ko him. AFTEr his bouts with Liston, his only tko losses were to Ali, 1 2 years later (6 fights later) and 1 which was the final bout of his career (RTD) which was 7 years later (9 after Liston). Another note on that was his FOTY bout with George Chivalo (whom I've had the pleasure of meeting) which was also after the Liston bouts in 1965. ...Now go to the naughty corner hahaha

[JayBee74]

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I keep forgetting how small some of the old 'heavyweights' were, but to be fair - Patterson has the most brutal knockout of all time for me (left hook with the twitching feet).

LOL, that was brutal.


I don't have confidence that Floyd's gazelle punches would make much of a difference in a fight where he would be so out-lengthed against a 6'7" Wilder. Yeah, Floyd could hit for his size but he was basically a cruiserweight (as was Marciano but that's a different animal). He had very fast hands but how defensive/evasive was he when pressured by a big hitter on a big stage?

Patterson's chin rating has been the subject of debate but it certainly wasn't iron. Johansson knocked him down seven times in his upset victory in their first fight all started by a vicious right cross that Floyd never recovered from. Ingo had power but nothing like Wilder. Incidentally, Floyd weighed 182 for that particular fight.

Good argument though.

EDIT: I wasn't being sarcastic-you made good points.