Boxing Off-Topic

[allBthere]

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DLH and Garcia made it clear he's not fighting at 140 and below but only catch weights like 144-145 ..or obviously welter would be fine.

So if Tank wants to run it back for the $ he'd have to do it at 144 which would be interesting imo. Garcia had a rib injury leading up to their fight and was weight drained. On fight night he looked fine, but hard to say what it would look like at 144.

I thin you might see 135-140lb fighters move up just to get that bag - after all you want to secure 20-50 mill for a fight and be set for life? yes please.

Then there are crazy match ups at welter or even possibly 154 for RG - you have

Boots Ennis
Tim Tszyu
Bud Crawford
Haney Rematch (at welter)

Those are all massive $ fights.

[Money99]

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You make a lot of good points money. I think where I disagree is just on the word “tainted”.

I just look at it like this is something that happens all the time in non heavyweight fights and something that Haney’s camp knew was was going to happen. For me it was up to them to accept these terms and once they did, there’s no excuses.


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Good point. I guess I'm just tired of all the jr weight classes, multiple belts and then catchweights for guys under 175. It's gotten ridiculous and makes it too easy to hide from guys.
Then when we do get a good matchup, a fighter doesn't even try to fight by the rules.

What are Garcia's plans going forward? Rematch with Davis? Any chance Garcia decides to make the jump to welterweight? Not a lot of rumors about this guy other than wondering whether or not he's mentally stable.

He said he can barely make 143 so he's going to jump to 147.

[JayBee74]

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I think you might see 135-140lb fighters move up just to get that bag - after all you want to secure 20-50 mill for a fight and be set for life? yes please.

It's kind of sketchy, but shouldn't Tank and Ryan have made a boatload of money given the PPV success of their fight (the live gate alone was $24 million)?

[JayBee74]

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Then there are crazy match ups at welter or even possibly 154 for RG - you have

Boots Ennis
Tim Tszyu
Bud Crawford
Haney Rematch (at welter)

Those are all massive $ fights.

I think Ryan gets crumpled by Ennis or Crawford. Bud is moving on at 154 and Garcia wouldn't even attempt to take him on at that weight or even at a modified 152 catchweight. A Haney rematch is probably short-circuited due to lack of interest.

Champion Boots Ennis will fight challenger Cody Crowley for the IBF 147 title. Ennis gets an 85/15 split advantage which comes to a $3.3 million/$586,000 money advantage. No date or location has been set.

[allBthere]

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I saw that Ennis announcement.

I actually know Crowley - at first I was so happy for him, but then saw the split and that really sucks man. 500k.

He's had a hard time getting big fights and this may be as big as it gets. Maybe he could convince Garcia to fight him if he loses to test the waters at '47? That would be a really big payday but I doubt Garcia would be interested because there's no crazy drama there....

[Dead2009]

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https://411mania.com/mma/jake-paul-v...ssional-fight/

Its now an actual fight and not an exhibition

[Money99]

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Gracia fails piss test. PEDs galore.
Fight should be no contest. Purse goes to Haney.
Suspended for minimum 24 months.

Garcia fails weight, takes PEDs, and barely wins.
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[pietasterp]

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Well, to be fair, his "A" sample is reported to have tested positive, and it hasn't been confirmed with the "B" sample. For whatever it's worth, Garcia denied the report. So, for now still an open question, but....

I mean, would it surprise anybody if Garcia was confirmed to have tested positive for PED's? At this point, I'd almost be more surprised if he didn't test positive.

[Money99]

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Well, to be fair, his "A" sample is reported to have tested positive, and it hasn't been confirmed with the "B" sample. For whatever it's worth, Garcia denied the report. So, for now still an open question, but....

I mean, would it surprise anybody if Garcia was confirmed to have tested positive for PED's? At this point, I'd almost be more surprised if he didn't test positive.

This is always the case when someone pisses dirty.
They always wait for the B sample, which is always dirty too.
And it looks like Garcia is tearing a page from every other cheat out there by saying it's from the legal supplements he took.

His pre and post fight tests both came back positive for PEDs. VADA also confirmed PEDs in their independent tests.

For reference;
Ostarine is a selective androgen receptor modulator that attaches to proteins in the body and effectively tells muscles to grow. It is used to aid performance by helping athletes build muscle mass and enhance their rate of fat loss and also to increase stamina and recovery ability

Nandrolone increases muscle strength and mass, and speeds up recovery.

I think it's hysterical that this dude took drugs to make him bigger and stronger while also giving him a stamina boost and he struggled to get a MD after knocking his opponent down 3x.
He can't make 140 anymore and will be forced to fight at 145-147. If he's not allowed to cheat to be a competitive fighter he will be absolutely murdered at welterweight.

[pietasterp]

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I don't doubt that Garcia will eventually be found to have taken PED's, I'm just saying that technically it's unconfirmed (if the reports I read were accurate). While it is a rare occurrence for the "A" and "B" samples to disagree, it's not "always" the case that the "B" sample is positive, which is the whole reason they take a "B" sample to begin with. It sometimes (admittedly rarely) conflicts, and most of the time you never hear anything about it because that's considered an unconfirmed or negative test.

All that having been said, the vast majority of the time, the 2 samples show the same thing. I think someone testing positive can even waive their right to have their "B" tested (or insist on it) depending on their level of conviction.

I'm surprised at the amateur level of the approach to doping that Garcia took here, though - synthetic androgens have been around since the 1950's and their pharmacokinetic properties are very well documented. Anyone engaged in using PED's with as high of a profile as Ryan Garcia ought to be able to get some consultants to help them dope without being caught on a standard (and entirely expected) fight week doping test.

[edaddy]

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I don't doubt that Garcia will eventually be found to have taken PED's, I'm just saying that technically it's unconfirmed (if the reports I read were accurate). While it is a rare occurrence for the "A" and "B" samples to disagree, it's not "always" the case that the "B" sample is positive, which is the whole reason they take a "B" sample to begin with. It sometimes (admittedly rarely) conflicts, and most of the time you never hear anything about it because that's considered an unconfirmed or negative test.

All that having been said, the vast majority of the time, the 2 samples show the same thing. I think someone testing positive can even waive their right to have their "B" tested (or insist on it) depending on their level of conviction.

I'm surprised at the amateur level of the approach to doping that Garcia took here, though - synthetic androgens have been around since the 1950's and their pharmacokinetic properties are very well documented. Anyone engaged in using PED's with as high of a profile as Ryan Garcia ought to be able to get some consultants to help them dope without being caught on a standard (and entirely expected) fight week doping test.

Lol he knew exactly what he was taking and their is a reason why he chose to come in overweight, His team knew he was on PEDs and the predictable denial even though he was shown positive tests is maddening because you can kill someone in the ring with this advantage. He will test positive for B sample but will still deny deny and people will defend him with conspiracies!! Delahoya Hopkins Garcia all shady. Haney took a illegal beating he might not recover from!!

[Kayla]

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Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez beat his countrymen Jaime Munguia by a unanimous points decision to retain his WBA, WBC, WBO and IBF super-middleweight titles in Las Vegas.

[steelcityjames]

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Hopefully we've seen the last of Kambosos in a title fight. Dude brings absolutely nothing to the table

[KG]

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Hopefully we've seen the last of Kambosos in a title fight. Dude brings absolutely nothing to the table

As basic a fighter as there is. No footwork, no head movement, basically just sitting there trying to fight off the back foot.


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[edaddy]

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As basic a fighter as there is. No footwork, no head movement, basically just sitting there trying to fight off the back foot.


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Agreed but the most frustrating thing about Kambossas is tyat when he actually attacks move forward and let his hands fly he is successful because of quick hands but him fighting off his back foot is horrible!! he literally beat Teo by letting his hands fly and attacking!!