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[Money99]

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Agreed but the most frustrating thing about Kambossas is tyat when he actually attacks move forward and let his hands fly he is successful because of quick hands but him fighting off his back foot is horrible!! he literally beat Teo by letting his hands fly and attacking!!

Agreed. Although, and I know I'm in the minority here, I think Teo is overrated.
Yes he beat Lomo, but I thought Lomo wasn't his true self that night. He started slow, gave rounds away early and it was too much to overcome. But the 2nd half of the fight, he took it to Lopez.
I'm not saying Teo isn't a good fighter, but I think the hype that was heaped on him after the Lomo victory was more than he deserved.
If given a chance to run that fight back, I think Lomo wins fairly easily.
But we'll never know because Teo can't make 135.

Lol he knew exactly what he was taking and their is a reason why he chose to come in overweight, His team knew he was on PEDs and the predictable denial even though he was shown positive tests is maddening because you can kill someone in the ring with this advantage. He will test positive for B sample but will still deny deny and people will defend him with conspiracies!! Delahoya Hopkins Garcia all shady. Haney took a illegal beating he might not recover from!!

That's the worst part. Haney may never be the same. Even if they reverse this decision to a NC, it does damage to the fighters psyche.
I think of Cotto who took a beating from the loaded hands of Margarito. He should have been thrown in jail for that. Cotto is still a HoF fighter, but who knows how that loss affected his physical and mental being.
I hope Garcia gets a looooong suspension and TBH, I don't need to see him fight ever again.

[ggsimmonds]

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Getting ready for the Fury-Usyk fight.

Can Usyk do it? He's the better boxer and I wonder if Fury's head is fully in the fight but the size may just be too much to overcome

[ojandpizza]

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My ******* bought the fight and then didn’t realize how early it was starting lol.

[ggsimmonds]

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It was a great fight and had basketball like runs.

First two rounds -- Fury had nerves. The showboating was false bravado.

Rounds 3 thru 7 -- Fury settled in and it became apparent that Usyk's strategy wasn't going to work (more below)

Round 8 -- This was the round that decided the fight. Yes the excitement happened in 9, but this round planted that seed. This was when Usyk solved the Fury equation.

Round 9 -- Been a while since I've seen someone that hurt. Fury was literally moving on instinct alone.

Round 10 -- I felt like Usyk was flirting with disaster by not being aggressive here.

The reason I say Usyk's original strategy wasn't going to work -- yes he pressured Fury in the sense of moving forward and staying in front of him, but he was boxing very conservatively. Mostly just jab potshots at the body or trying to outbox Fury. But Usyk realized he was getting hit more often and harder by playing it safe. Tyson's accuracy, hand speed, and anticipation are underrated. Tyson was in the zone and knew just when to throw that uppercut and it was winning him the fight.

But then Usyk realized what many people know -- Tyson is very poor defensively. So Usyk changed it up and started lunging. He lunged forward with a opening shot to the body and then followed with what is typically a very sloppy overhand to the head. But Tyson's defense being what it is those overhands landed time and time again.

So perhaps surprisingly the winning tactic wasn't for Usyk to outbox or outsmart Fury. It was to lunge forward and head hunt. Tyson's size was too great for Usyk to overcome by standing in the pocket and trying to outbox him.

(entirely possible this was the original strategy and Usyk came in with the idea of laying back in the first half to win the fight in the second half)

I feel like the rematch would go the same way. Almost like Fury vs Wilder but Fury is in the opposite role. Fury is too old and advanced as a fighter to change his habit of trying to defend with outstretched arms. Its like instinct at this point so his head will always be exposed.

[edaddy]

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It was a great fight and had basketball like runs.

First two rounds -- Fury had nerves. The showboating was false bravado.

Rounds 3 thru 7 -- Fury settled in and it became apparent that Usyk's strategy wasn't going to work (more below)

Round 8 -- This was the round that decided the fight. Yes the excitement happened in 9, but this round planted that seed. This was when Usyk solved the Fury equation.

Round 9 -- Been a while since I've seen someone that hurt. Fury was literally moving on instinct alone.

Round 10 -- I felt like Usyk was flirting with disaster by not being aggressive here.

The reason I say Usyk's original strategy wasn't going to work -- yes he pressured Fury in the sense of moving forward and staying in front of him, but he was boxing very conservatively. Mostly just jab potshots at the body or trying to outbox Fury. But Usyk realized he was getting hit more often and harder by playing it safe. Tyson's accuracy, hand speed, and anticipation are underrated. Tyson was in the zone and knew just when to throw that uppercut and it was winning him the fight.

But then Usyk realized what many people know -- Tyson is very poor defensively. So Usyk changed it up and started lunging. He lunged forward with a opening shot to the body and then followed with what is typically a very sloppy overhand to the head. But Tyson's defense being what it is those overhands landed time and time again.

So perhaps surprisingly the winning tactic wasn't for Usyk to outbox or outsmart Fury. It was to lunge forward and head hunt. Tyson's size was too great for Usyk to overcome by standing in the pocket and trying to outbox him.

(entirely possible this was the original strategy and Usyk came in with the idea of laying back in the first half to win the fight in the second half)

I feel like the rematch would go the same way. Almost like Fury vs Wilder but Fury is in the opposite role. Fury is too old and advanced as a fighter to change his habit of trying to defend with outstretched arms. Its like instinct at this point so his head will always be exposed.

Excellent post my man agree 💯!! I think that was the last of what Fury has he has lost that split second reaction to punches and he is getting hit hard now!! he also could not pull that trigger the last 2 roiunds!! He wouldve been better served smothering Usyck thats what got him tired!! he also had him hurt butcould not follow it up!! age and wars have caught up to him!! but he is a straight warrior

[ggsimmonds]

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Excellent post my man agree 💯!! I think that was the last of what Fury has he has lost that split second reaction to punches and he is getting hit hard now!! he also could not pull that trigger the last 2 roiunds!! He wouldve been better served smothering Usyck thats what got him tired!! he also had him hurt butcould not follow it up!! age and wars have caught up to him!! but he is a straight warrior

I've lessoned my "rematch would be more of the same" stance since my initial reactions after the fight. I think Tyson got too confident in those early middle rounds and thought he was on his way to a boxing masterclass and got caught being lazy. If Fury is all business and stops peacocking he can and should win a rematch.

Unfortunately I expect a rematch to have a lot more hugging and Fury leaning on Usyk because that is the winning strategy; it just makes for a dull fight.

[Kayla]

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It was a great fight and had basketball like runs.

First two rounds -- Fury had nerves. The showboating was false bravado.

Rounds 3 thru 7 -- Fury settled in and it became apparent that Usyk's strategy wasn't going to work (more below)

Round 8 -- This was the round that decided the fight. Yes the excitement happened in 9, but this round planted that seed. This was when Usyk solved the Fury equation.

Round 9 -- Been a while since I've seen someone that hurt. Fury was literally moving on instinct alone.

Round 10 -- I felt like Usyk was flirting with disaster by not being aggressive here.

The reason I say Usyk's original strategy wasn't going to work -- yes he pressured Fury in the sense of moving forward and staying in front of him, but he was boxing very conservatively. Mostly just jab potshots at the body or trying to outbox Fury. But Usyk realized he was getting hit more often and harder by playing it safe. Tyson's accuracy, hand speed, and anticipation are underrated. Tyson was in the zone and knew just when to throw that uppercut and it was winning him the fight.

But then Usyk realized what many people know -- Tyson is very poor defensively. So Usyk changed it up and started lunging. He lunged forward with a opening shot to the body and then followed with what is typically a very sloppy overhand to the head. But Tyson's defense being what it is those overhands landed time and time again.

So perhaps surprisingly the winning tactic wasn't for Usyk to outbox or outsmart Fury. It was to lunge forward and head hunt. Tyson's size was too great for Usyk to overcome by standing in the pocket and trying to outbox him.

(entirely possible this was the original strategy and Usyk came in with the idea of laying back in the first half to win the fight in the second half)

I feel like the rematch would go the same way. Almost like Fury vs Wilder but Fury is in the opposite role. Fury is too old and advanced as a fighter to change his habit of trying to defend with outstretched arms. Its like instinct at this point so his head will always be exposed.

If we had another referee for this bout, Usyk would've got a knockout victory.

[Dead2009]

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Paul/Tyson fight is postponed

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/40252311/mike-tyson-ulcer-forced-postpone-bout-vs-jake-paul

[Dead2009]

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https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/40396474/ryan-garcia-suspended-one-year-positive-ped-test

Ryan Garcia has been suspended one year by the New York State Athletic Commission, sources tell ESPN, while his decision victory over Devin Haney has been overturned to a no contest following positive tests for the PED ostarine.

Garcia also forfeited $1 million to Golden Boy and was fined $10,000 by the commission.

"I want to thank the commission and the fans who stood by me during this whole process," Haney, who is once again undefeated, told ESPN on Thursday. "The facts are the facts and I wasn't on an even playing field. Happy I was able to receive justice for what happened. It's all part of my story and it's only going to make me better. I look to enjoy this time with my family and friends and see what's next.

"I'm a clean athlete and boxing is a brutal sport where one fight can literally change your life. I think it important for fighters to be clean and I want to become an advocate for clean athletes for my experience in this situation."

Garcia's suspension was first reported by Dan Rafael.

[edaddy]

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https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/...itive-ped-test

Ryan Garcia has been suspended one year by the New York State Athletic Commission, sources tell ESPN, while his decision victory over Devin Haney has been overturned to a no contest following positive tests for the PED ostarine.

Garcia also forfeited $1 million to Golden Boy and was fined $10,000 by the commission.

"I want to thank the commission and the fans who stood by me during this whole process," Haney, who is once again undefeated, told ESPN on Thursday. "The facts are the facts and I wasn't on an even playing field. Happy I was able to receive justice for what happened. It's all part of my story and it's only going to make me better. I look to enjoy this time with my family and friends and see what's next.

"I'm a clean athlete and boxing is a brutal sport where one fight can literally change your life. I think it important for fighters to be clean and I want to become an advocate for clean athletes for my experience in this situation."

Garcia's suspension was first reported by Dan Rafael.

I am disgusted he didnt get more than that. Using PEDs in boxing especially ones that help you build muscle mass endurance and power can get someone killed in the ring. It gives a distinct advantage in taking a punch from a weight drained fighter and allows a boxer to recover faster wheras itherwise he should be getting tired. No matter the verdict its a fact that ostarine has to be cycled to get caught. Haney took a career changing life and career altering beating he will not recover from!! I hate cheaters with a passion!!

[Dead2009]

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WBC expels boxing star Ryan Garcia after racial slurs

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/40497215/wbc-expels-boxing-star-ryan-garcia-racial-slurs

[JayBee74]

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I'm surprised that I will get to see Beterbiev vs Bivol on ESPN+ (when I subscribe). Apparently this is for the United States only, and does not include any of the undercard.

[pietasterp]

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I don't even know where to watch boxing any more. Between HBO and Showtime, that used to cover 90% of the relevant fights, but now I have no idea where to even find fights. And furthermore, I find that I don't care. Which is sad, because I've always loved boxing, but I'm sort of at the end of my rope with the sport.

[steelcityjames]

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I don't even know where to watch boxing any more. Between HBO and Showtime, that used to cover 90% of the relevant fights, but now I have no idea where to even find fights. And furthermore, I find that I don't care. Which is sad, because I've always loved boxing, but I'm sort of at the end of my rope with the sport.

I'm in the same boat. I used to have DAZN and ESPN+. Got rid of both when they raised their price and still charged extra for PPV. I miss HBO and Showtime boxing more than words can say. Occasionally I'll watch a fight on regular ESPN, but I find myself watching less and less... Because the cards are snoozefests. If there's a fight I'm interested in I'll just follow a ringside reporter on "X" for live round by round updates. Boxing used to be my favorite sport. Not anymore. I'd rather watch classic fights on YouTube and re-live the glory days than watch fighters today going up against hand-picked opponents on a regular basis. Oh well, it is what it is.

[JayBee74]

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I'd rather watch classic fights on YouTube and re-live the glory days than watch fighters today going up against hand-picked opponents on a regular basis. Oh well, it is what it is.

I watch the old fights too. A guy that is a genius at breaking down many of those classic fights is The Modern Martial Artist. I suspect you know about his YouTube channel.

I'm glad I don't have to, but I would have purchased Beterbiev-Bivol.