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[SPRINGS03]

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Broner porter fight went about the way i thought it would, that knockdown in the 12th was impressive tho, didn't expect that, and did you guys see the look on porters face? Even he was like "damn where did that come from?" lol. But glad the judges had the right guy winning. 118-108 is a bit much tho.

Ward looked as sharp as ever in his return, 9th round stoppage. Good fight.

Also, i'm just thinking about this, now we have boxing on showtime, hbo, bet, nbc, and spike. And friday night fights on espn sometimes. Hell yes.

[Mo]

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Friday Night Fights on ESPN is dead.

[JayBee74]

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And friday night fights on espn sometimes. Hell yes.

What Mo said. PBC takes over some of those slots.

Lemieux drops N'dam four times and he still made a fight of it. GGG-Lemieux will be in the mix but not for the paltry sum allBthere was talking about...what $50K per fighter? Maybe Hopkins and Oscar will pitch in more. They sure looked to be on Lemieux's side.

Ward looked good, but did you here the reference about him struggling a bit to make 168, but feeling that's the best division for him now? He wants no part of Stevenson, Kovalez, or Beterbiev.

[SPRINGS03]

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Struggling a bit to make 168 after a 2 year layoff and saying that's where he wants to be at right now isn't the same as saying he wants no part of those guys tho. I don't think rushing up in weight to fight those guys after not fighting in a while would be the best idea. I would favor him to beat those guys if he is as good as he is at his weight class after moving up. Kovalev would be the toughest fight for him.

[Money99]

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Couldn't be happier about Broner's 2nd loss last night.
Porter schooled him and was the much busier fighter.

CMH once said, he's never seen a fast guy look so slow. But that's Broner. He eats right-hands like they're a snack and for such great handspeed he doesn't throw enough.

His career is basically done. He can't make 140 and he can't handle guys at 147. He has no power.
What I find troubling about that is that he's a thick dude. He looks like he should be able to get to 160 no problem.
But he simply can't transfer any of the power he had at 135 up the ladder. Not even close.
Unless he trains differently so he has far more gas in the tank, he'll never be able to contend with the top dogs. He needs to throw at least 75 punches a round to be effective.

[JayBee74]

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Struggling a bit to make 168 after a 2 year layoff and saying that's where he wants to be at right now isn't the same as saying he wants no part of those guys tho. I don't think rushing up in weight to fight those guys after not fighting in a while would be the best idea. I would favor him to beat those guys if he is as good as he is at his weight class after moving up. Kovalev would be the toughest fight for him.

He just does not want to go up to fight the bigger guys. Nothing wrong with that. GGG is in no hurry to fight him at 168, and Cotto makes catch-weight fights. Part of boxing. You have to protect your own interest financially, and maximize your odds of winning.

Let's remember, Ward leveraged a fight where the light heavyweight champ (Dawson) had to fight him for his 168 pound crowns. No catchweight, a full weight class drop. And Dawson is obviously not as tough as those other guys.

I can't favor one fighter (Ward) over another (Kovalez) when the one fighter wants no part of the other fighter, and the "if" is that the one fighter seamlessly adjusts from 168 to 175, which Ward acknowledges he can't do right know.

Ward is a great fighter, but unless they throw a lot of money his way for Kovalez or Stevenson he needs to stay at 168.

Couldn't be happier about Broner's 2nd loss last night.
Porter schooled him and was the much busier fighter.

CMH once said, he's never seen a fast guy look so slow. But that's Broner. He eats right-hands like they're a snack and for such great handspeed he doesn't throw enough.

His career is basically done. He can't make 140 and he can't handle guys at 147. He has no power.
What I find troubling about that is that he's a thick dude. He looks like he should be able to get to 160 no problem.
But he simply can't transfer any of the power he had at 135 up the ladder. Not even close.
Unless he trains differently so he has far more gas in the tank, he'll never be able to contend with the top dogs. He needs to throw at least 75 punches a round to be effective.

Good points. Adrien needs to stop flushing $100 bills down the toilet, and invest that $1.3 million (before taxes) from last night more wisely.

[steelcityjames]

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Broner looked awful and i enjoyed every minute of it....and, as usual, he made a complete arse out of himself during the post fight interview.

[JayBee74]

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Broner looked awful and i enjoyed every minute of it....and, as usual, he made a complete arse out of himself during the post fight interview.

I thought his pre fight interview was pretty awkward, something about him being upset because the interviewer didn't tell him how good he looks.

Is there much doubt about what the new kid, Errol Spence would do to him?

[Review]

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Broner is just not as good as a lot of ppl thought he would be. Ppl were saying that he was more skilled than Porter and that would be the deciding factor in the fight. Skilled at what exactly? His speed is elite and defn top 10 in the division. Good pop as well. I will give him that. He has a lot of flaws though. His ring IQ is horrible. He threw the same check hook every time Porter tried to rush him. Terrible work-rate, footwork and no head movement. His shoulder roll is terrible. He`s a good athlete but for some reason he puts so much pressure on his back foot when he tries the technique. Unless he fixes that flaw he`s always going to get mauled on the inside by pressure fighters.

[JayBee74]

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Broner is just not as good as a lot of ppl thought he would be. Ppl were saying that he was more skilled than Porter and that would be the deciding factor in the fight. Skilled at what exactly? His speed is elite and defn top 10 in the division. Good pop as well. I will give him that. He has a lot of flaws though. His ring IQ is horrible. He threw the same check hook every time Porter tried to rush him. Terrible work-rate, footwork and no head movement. His shoulder roll is terrible. He`s a good athlete but for some reason he puts so much pressure on his back foot when he tries the technique. Unless he fixes that flaw he`s always going to get mauled on the inside by pressure fighters.

It's not like Porter was dodging that check left hook though. Broner couldn't find him with it until the 12th.

He has the speed but doesn't combo that much against the top welters.

[Review]

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True. I expected him to switch up a little bit though and make some sort of adjustment as that is not the only effective punch you can throw when someone's bull rushing you. That said, he just might not have the skill set for this. It's too bad he doesn't throw more combos. There were a few times I saw Broner fire off combos at lightweight when he had guys hurt and it reminded me of prime Ike Williams.


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[SPRINGS03]

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Broner actually still has some power, when he floored porter in the 12th it actually hurt him(look at his face, even he was like wow", and porter has a good chin, i think what it is with broner is that he has good tools to be a better fighter, but he doesn't have the ring IQ to use them well enough. He has fast hands that he doesn't throw enough, which he could get away with if he was accurate like floyd(who he wants to be) but he's not. He also can't fight off the back foot either. He tries to fight like big bro in some aspects, but he just can't do it. He would be better off going with a more offensive style, he's not the best counter puncher honestly. Instead of trying(and failing) to fight like floyd does now, he should fight like floyd did when he was at lightweight, more offensive.

And i think people meant broner had more tools than porter did, rather than being more skilled, but that doesn't mean a thing if you don't know how to use them. Broner is trying to look cute and pretend he's floyd in the ring and it doesn't work.

Porter was also kinda driving me crazy, broner was clinching him like crazy, but porter would sometimes smother his own offense, i feel like he does that in general sometimes. He should of fought more at mid range, probably would of caught broner more.

[JayBee74]

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Broner actually still has some power, when he floored porter in the 12th it actually hurt him(look at his face, even he was like wow", and porter has a good chin,.....

Does the knockdown give Broner a little career lifeline? I mean it's better than nothing, right?

[SPRINGS03]

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It softens the blow of the loss a bit. I wouldn't say his career is quite over yet, but he really has to pick it up. a few more convincing losses and he's gonna end up being another victor ortiz, he's already about as deluded as ortiz is. . .

[pietasterp]

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Does the knockdown give Broner a little career lifeline? I mean it's better than nothing, right?

Sure, I mean, his career isn't over by a longshot. He's just at a crossroads and has to figure out what his next move is. He isn't a legitimate contender at 147 (or even 144, apparently) - I think that's been pretty definitively proven at this point. If he can't make weight at 140 any more, then I agree he's going to be in tough shape. Otherwise, he's going to have to be content to be a really good junior welterweight and hope more exciting fighters emerge in that weight class.

Either way, I don't care - I'm happy to see that punk get the stuffing beaten out of him at any and all occasions.