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[JayBee74]

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I think so. It might even surpass the numbers Froch and Groves did as Khan and Brook are more popular than Groves. I feel that a lot of the interest for Froch-Groves 2 was due to the early stoppage (IMO) that occurred in their first fight. A lot of people felt that Groves was still in the fight and should have been given a chance to fight on. I'd rather see a fight stopped late than early. That's just me though.

Looking into it further I doubt it. Froch-Groves II was the richest fight on British soil, with a record income of $34 million, record purse of $15.6 million (Frosh $12.5 million, Groves $3.1 million), largest live crowd of 77,000 (besting an 81 year old record), and the biggest live gate receipts ever, totaling $9.4 million.

HBO/Showtime UK counterpart Sky TV had 900,000 PPV buys at the bargain price of 16.95 pounds per home($26-$27 US money).

EDIT: By the way, I thought the first fight was stopped too early.

[aholbert32]

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Looking into it further I doubt it. Froch-Groves II was the richest fight on British soil, with a record income of $34 million, record purse of $15.6 million (Frosh $12.5 million, Groves $3.1 million), largest live crowd of 77,000 (besting an 81 year old record), and the biggest live gate receipts ever, totaling $9.4 million.

HBO/Showtime UK counterpart Sky TV had 900,000 PPV buys at the bargain price of 16.95 pounds per home($26-$27 US money).

EDIT: By the way, I thought the first fight was stopped too early.

You dont think so? I'd argue that Khan is on the same level as Froch when it comes to name recognition in the UK and Brook is definetly on Groves level.

[JayBee74]

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You dont think so? I'd argue that Khan is on the same level as Froch when it comes to name recognition in the UK and Brook is definetly on Groves level.

I don't really know. You're definitely right about name recognition, I just get the feeling that Froch is more well liked by the UK public than Khan is, and that Froch-Groves I, with it's controversial ending and the fact that Carl was getting hit with some telling punches, set up an England mega-fight. Many fans came to see the champ win.

I think Khan's biggest purse is in the $1.5 million range, while Brook received a "meager" $200,000 for his victory against Shawn Porter. I don't see at this point how these two could shatter any records. Froch has simply been paid better. He got over $6 million for his rematch against Kessler.

[JayBee74]

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This Saturday night Garcia-Malignaggi, and Daniel Jacobs-Sergio Mora on ESPN 2.

Paulie is fighting for the first time since Porter demolished him and Garcia fights at 147 for the first time. Malignaggi is a huge 7-1 underdog. Probably not going to happen, but an upset ends Danny's perfect record so there is a little interest there.

Hard to believe it's been exactly five years since Jacobs was upset and KOed by Pirog. Mora is no slouch and Jacobs says he wants to be the first guy to knock him out.

[Review]

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I like Mora. The guy has underrated toughness, quick hands, and represents the sport well. That said, I can't see him beating this version of Jacobs who has been tko-ing guys left and right. I have Garcia winning as well. Paulie's best days are behind him. Garcia might even stop him like Porter if he lands a good left hook.


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[JayBee74]

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I like Mora. The guy has underrated toughness, quick hands, and represents the sport well. That said, I can't see him beating this version of Jacobs who has been tko-ing guys left and right. I have Garcia winning as well. Paulie's best days are behind him. Garcia might even stop him like Porter if he lands a good left hook.

Yeah Mora is capable, but he did lose to Brian Vera twice. On the other hand Jacobs hasn't exactly been fighting great competition since his KO loss five years ago. Should be a decent fight.

[SPRINGS03]

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isn't mora getting up there in age tho? Also, i think garcia vs malignagi might be more competitive than people think, i would be surprised if he just steam rolls paulie like porter did, garcia has been showing that he has trouble with boxers/movers. I think he'll win, but it MIGHT not be as one sided as people are saying.

[redsrule]

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You dont think so? I'd argue that Khan is on the same level as Froch when it comes to name recognition in the UK and Brook is definetly on Groves level.

Khan is nowhere near Froch's level in name recognition.

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[pietasterp]

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Just caught up on the last 2 weeks worth of bouts. Not much to add, other than...I also (finally) give up Chavez Jr. I stuck with him way longer than I probably should have, but at this point, he's irredeemable. Guy hasn't made weight in, what, his last 3 fights? He looked easily 200 lbs in that last fight. I always thought the weigh-in should be an hour pre-fight, but that's another topic. Anyway, I don't think even Robert Garcia can do anything to help Chavez Jr. The fighter has to want it at some point; the old saying about being able to lead a horse to water and all being apropos here.

Kovalev has pretty much only 1-2 fights he can make that are even remotely interesting at this point. If he and Stevenson don't square off soon - and there's clearly no indication they will - in 2 years when they finally make this fight it'll be past their primes. Such is boxing, I guess.

Re: this weekend's fights...Paulie hits like a b*(^#, but he does have a good chin. He's tough to knock out. He's pretty much just a welterweight gatekeeper at this point, though - if you don't run him over, you might not be that successful at 147. In retrospect, Broner's difficulty in looking more than adequate against Paulie was foreshadowing for his inability to carry his power up to 147. If Garcia doesn't completely dominate Malignaggi, he might have to reconsider his foray into welterweight...

[JayBee74]

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Kovalev has pretty much only 1-2 fights he can make that are even remotely interesting at this point. If he and Stevenson don't square off soon - and there's clearly no indication they will - in 2 years when they finally make this fight it'll be past their primes. Such is boxing, I guess.

A fight with Beterbiev might be premature, and dangerous for Kovalez. Premature in the sense that the money wouldn't be there yet, not until Beterbiev gets a few more KOs and more recognition. Dangerous because this guy is dangerous.

[JayBee74]

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Disappointing ending to Jacobs-Mora. Jacobs dismissed a rematch, seemingly downplaying the circumstances, but I don't blame him. His career doesn't need a rematch with Mora.

[JayBee74]

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Methodical breaking down by Garcia. Has to be Paulie's last fight.

[pietasterp]

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Disappointing ending to Jacobs-Mora. Jacobs dismissed a rematch, seemingly downplaying the circumstances, but I don't blame him. His career doesn't need a rematch with Mora.

Weird fight all around...Kinda of a (much, much) lesser version of Hearns-Haggler, except shorter and weirder. Compelling for about 4 minutes, though.

Methodical breaking down by Garcia. Has to be Paulie's last fight.

I don't know - Paulie said pretty much the same thing after the Porter fight ("I don't want to make an emotional decision..."), and he didn't seem committed to saying "I'm done". He spent a hell of a lot of time talking to both Porter and Garcia post-fight, both times it seemed like he was saying "I'm done, go be a champ" or whatever. But somehow I think he'll be back. As to whether he should come back or not, I think that's a lot more clear.

Garcia looked good, but hard to really tell anything based on that fight. Stopping Malignaggi is a good start, but is he really ready to fight the top guys in 147? I can't picture him in the ring with the likes of Keith Thurman...at least not right now.

[JayBee74]

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Garcia looked good, but hard to really tell anything based on that fight. Stopping Malignaggi is a good start, but is he really ready to fight the top guys in 147? I can't picture him in the ring with the likes of Keith Thurman...at least not right now.

I don't know if he's ready, but I'd sure like to see it. Garcia versus Thurman, Porter, Maidana, Pac, or Brook? I'll be watching.

[SPRINGS03]

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Yeah, i would agree, based on that performance i'm not sure if he's really ready for the names in his class. I think bradley and thurman beat him. Porter would be an interesting fight, as would a maidana fight. Actually i'd really love to see him vs maidana, if maidana gets his weight down and decides to fight again soon.