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[gmac0322]

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Anyway, I haven't decided to drop $65 on Ward-Kovalez 2. I assume a lot of you are getting the fight.

Damn. I didn't think it was going to be that high. Thought it would be 50. I usually go in with a bunch of buddies and split it but I think life is getting in the way tonight unfortunately. I do want to see it. Will probably have to catch the replay

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[JayBee74]

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Damn. I didn't think it was going to be that high. Thought it would be 50. I usually go in with a bunch of buddies and split it but I think life is getting in the way tonight unfortunately. I do want to see it. Will probably have to catch the replay

My friends are not boxing fans. My little brother wanted to see Floyd-Pac so I got my other brother to come in to get my cost down to $33. I really didn't want to see it at that price.

It will be a last second decision for me.

[pk500]

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In fact, I think will outsell both of them combined by a million buys. That isn't impressive?

It's not impressive. Instead, it proves P.T. Barnum was right -- "There's a sucker born every minute."

The popularity of the Mayweather-McGregor fight will prove you never can underestimate the stupidity of the American public.

[gmac0322]

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My friends are not boxing fans. My little brother wanted to see Floyd-Pac so I got my other brother to come in to get my cost down to $33. I really didn't want to see it at that price.

It will be a last second decision for me.

I hear ya brother

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[aholbert32]

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Not by comparison with the numbers that Floyd's fight generate, and Kovalez-Ward 1 did only 160,000. Even 300,000 PPV buys is optimistic.

Since when are pound for pound fighters necessarily PPV draws?

Dude, I'm not arguing with you about this charade generating lots of money, but why do MMA fans want to see their guy get his behind handed to him?

EDIT: Don't mean to be coming off as contentious aholbert. As an MMA fan will you get this fight?

This isn't contentious. Just two fight fans discussing the business.

My point about the buys is hardcore fight fans complain about circus fights like this but they give promoters no incentive to put on great fights. Ward and Kovalev are two top 5 p4p fighters. They have been promoted heavily by hbo and showtime on the past. But as U said, that fight will be lucky to do 300k. On the other hand a Circus fight is going to do 2 million.

I think you are overestimating how much interest mma fans have in this fight. It's really not that high. Hardcore MMA fans would rather Conor defend his belt than watch him box Floyd and lose a decision.

What's funny is I'm thinking about going to the fight but I probably won't buy it on ppv. I've been to three Conor fights and Vegas is going to be insane that week. The Irish always come out strong for Conor and they are always great. I would go for the spectacle just like I did for Canelo/Chavez.

If I don't go, I'm going to watch the fight on a stream. I ain't paying 75-100 bucks for a one sided beating.


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[gmac0322]

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I will probably try hit up a bar to check it out. No way am I shelling out that type of money for this exhibition.

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[allBthere]

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good fight, but how do you call it on body shots? weird to me, it would have been fun to see what would have happened.

Those were low. I don't want to take anything away from SoG, but those were low, I'm not sure why hbo guys were so adamant that they were ALL (borderline).

I didn't like the finish - I thought Kovalev clearly won the 1st fight, and I thought Ward was winning this one for sure AND Kovalev looked tired, but come on. those were a bit low, AND I thought the stoppage was strange given that I didn't think there was immediate impending danger to Kovalev, but anyway, it will be 2-0 WARD in the history books and there will never be a rematch at this point.

Just to say, I think Ward would have won anyway, but that doesn't mean I like the call.

[JayBee74]

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Just to say, I think Ward would have won anyway, but that doesn't mean I like the call.

I saw ONLY the last 43 seconds of the fight (Twitter) and Ward was working Kovalez over with mostly body shots but working him over nonetheless. In that 43 seconds I saw no offense from Sergio.

[N51_rob]

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It was a bad stoppage IMO, but it was also academic after that round 8. Ward and his team had a great strategy for this fight. He beat up the bigger fighter.

You could see that Kovalev was gassed at the end of round 7. He was hurt at the end round 8 and would've been done in round 9 or 10. Would've liked to see the ref let it go just to see if Kovalev would've answered the 10 count in round 9 or 10 when a body shot dropped him see if he's really as tough as he claims.

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[JayBee74]

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Referee Meeks dismissed a clear low blow complaint by Kovalez near the end of the 7th and did the same in the last round with Sergio wincing (8th). Before I saw the fight I dismissed Kathy Duva's low blow complaints as partisan comments but they did happen. Despite what you think the effect of those blows were or how they factored in the ultimate outcome of the fight, at the very least the referee has to give the fighter time to recover.

Andre clearly hurt Sergio with a right hand and landed some good shots as the round progressed.

I just saw the BBC call of the fight on YouTube with Paulie Malignaggi as analysis. He made a good point when he said, "How much more hurt was he than Ward in round two last fight. Let's put it that way."

[sheredia]

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Floyd is the money machine in this fight, not McGregor or Dana White. Floyd dictates all terms.

Pretty simple: McGregor needs Mayweather to make this kind of money. Mayweather does not.

sad but true since he's already beaten everybody in his division....and it's clearly a money grab. the UFC isn't as popular as it thinks it is.

[sheredia]

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Referee Meeks dismissed a clear low blow complaint by Kovalez near the end of the 7th and did the same in the last round with Sergio wincing (8th). Before I saw the fight I dismissed Kathy Duva's low blow complaints as partisan comments but they did happen. Despite what you think the effect of those blows were or how they factored in the ultimate outcome of the fight, at the very least the referee has to give the fighter time to recover.

Andre clearly hurt Sergio with a right hand and landed some good shots as the round progressed.

I just saw the BBC call of the fight on YouTube with Paulie Malignaggi as analysis. He made a good point when he said, "How much more hurt was he than Ward in round two last fight. Let's put it that way."

i felt the same as paulie. kovalev appeared to be wincing after a low blow just before it was stopped and probably thought the ref was going to give him time to recover and he ended up stopping the fight. kovalev was not hurt or about to go down from open head shots. if it's body punches, let the man go down first and ask him if he wants to continue. especially after how close the last fight was, this didn't sit well with me or paulie.

[sheredia]

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good fight, but how do you call it on body shots? weird to me, it would have been fun to see what would have happened.

Those were low. I don't want to take anything away from SoG, but those were low, I'm not sure why hbo guys were so adamant that they were ALL (borderline).

I didn't like the finish - I thought Kovalev clearly won the 1st fight, and I thought Ward was winning this one for sure AND Kovalev looked tired, but come on. those were a bit low, AND I thought the stoppage was strange given that I didn't think there was immediate impending danger to Kovalev, but anyway, it will be 2-0 WARD in the history books and there will never be a rematch at this point.

Just to say, I think Ward would have won anyway, but that doesn't mean I like the call.

the last blow by ward hit the black of kovalev's trunks....and ward was already warned before. i can definitely see kovalev's argument. i have never seen a stoppage on body blows before. from what i've seen in the past, if it's a pretty damaging body blow, the fighter WILL go down. it may have worked in kovalev's favor to just go down after the last blow and take an 8 count or something. but knowing kovalev, he won't go down unless he has to.

[aholbert32]

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sad but true since he's already beaten everybody in his division....and it's clearly a money grab. the UFC isn't as popular as it thinks it is.

With Mayweather retired, Canelo Alvarez is probably the biggest draw in boxing.

Conor McGregor has 3 more 1 million buy PPVs than Canelo.
George St. Pierre has 2 more 1 million buy PPvs than Canelo.
Jon Jones has the same number of million buy PPVs as Canelo and he didnt need Floyd Mayweather to get it.
I wont even mention Rousey since she's retired.

If your point is that the UFC needs Mayweather to sell over 2 million fights....no **** but so does EVERY boxer in the world.

I'm a huge MMA fan but I'm also a huge boxing fan. I've spent more money going to boxing events than I have UFC fights this year. I just dont get why certain boxing fans consider it a competition.

As an MMA fan, I'm loving that boxing is putting on awesome fights this year and I hope that they all sell because that means more awesome fights. Boxing fans should feel the same way. In my opinion, interest in combat sports whether its Boxing, MMA or Kickboxing helps all combat sports,

[JayBee74]

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Pretty powerful body shots by Andre to end the fight look legal. The clip also shows the right to the head that rocked Sergio.

He got away with a few but boxing is a rough sport. I have to give Ward credit for this performance against a very tough opponent.