Boxing Off-Topic

[bigeastbumrush]

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not fearing conor might be the biggest mistake he makes.....what IF conor is hard to hit? IF conor goes defense first and waits to counter just like floyd? seeing as conor probably knows there is no way he can outbox floyd, he may just take his chances with a well placed counter punch as opposed to punch volume....

pk said it better than I could.

Conor should (if he's being realistic) just go for broke and try to get it over as early as he can.

I doubt he fears Floyd's power until he tastes it.

But these 2 counterpunching each other would be a nightmare for Conor and the fans.

[pk500]

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It's one thing for McGregor to be able to counterpunch against MMA fighters, who use square, open stances with minimal head movement to prepare for ground attacks and also usually have very looping punching form.

It's an entirely different thing to try to counterpunch Mayweather, who is the most slippery defensive fighter of this generation and whose boxing technique is matched probably only by Lomachenko among current fighters.

Dream on if you think McGregor can match Mayweather in counterpunching. The "Maidana strategy" of fighting inside and dirty while going for broke early is his ONLY chance. McGregor's stamina and lack of boxing technique and nous will ruin any minute chance he has of landing a lucky punch after four rounds or so.

[Gibbz]

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I hear a lot of people saying McGregor can hurt Mayweather with body shots, but freaking Canelo couldn't. McGregor's length is actually a disadvantage in tight with the dirty boxing. He'll be winding them up and Floyd will feel them coming from a mile away.

McGregor's only chance is to completely go for broke in round 1. After that he'll gas and Floyd will toy with him and everyone will wonder what all the hype was about.

[Money99]

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I still don't see how anyone with half a brain thinks that Connor has any shot at all.
There is literally NOTHING that Connor can offer that Floyd hasn't seen before - and at a much, MUCH, higher level.

At best, Connor may be at a Golden Gloves level. And probably at the lower end of that spectrum.
There are probably literally 10,000 amatuer fighters in the U.S. alone that would dominate Connor in a boxing match.

Unless there are some shenanigans that were agreed upon prior to the fight, this should be over as soon as Floyd wants it to be.

Floyd could knock Connor out in less than a minute if he literally did no training, woke up and rolled out of bed and into the ring.
But that's only if he wants to.

This fight is (hilariously) going to generate so much money, I gotta believe both camps have staged something so that a 2nd fight will transpire.
In a straight-up , honest boxing match, this fight is over before the opening bell has stopped vibrating.

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[aholbert32]

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I still don't see how anyone with half a brain thinks that Connor has any shot at all.
There is literally NOTHING that Connor can offer that Floyd hasn't seen before - and at a much, MUCH, higher level.

At best, Connor may be at a Golden Gloves level. And probably at the lower end of that spectrum.
There are probably literally 10,000 amatuer fighters in the U.S. alone that would dominate Connor in a boxing match.

Unless there are some shenanigans that were agreed upon prior to the fight, this should be over as soon as Floyd wants it to be.

Floyd could knock Connor out in less than a minute if he literally did no training, woke up and rolled out of bed and into the ring.
But that's only if he wants to.

This fight is (hilariously) going to generate so much money, I gotta believe both camps have staged something so that a 2nd fight will transpire.
In a straight-up , honest boxing match, this fight is over before the opening bell has stopped vibrating.

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Come on man.

Now Conor cant even beat an amateur fighter? LOL.

I felt the same way when James Toney fought Couture in the Octagon but that was for a valid reason. Toney had never grappled a day in his life. So I knew that he would immediately get taken down and submitted.

This is different. Conor has boxed. He's been training in boxing for over 14 yrs. People act like all MMA strikers do is throw elbows and kicks during sparring. He knows head movement. He knows footwork. Is he as good as a top level professional boxer....**** no but he isnt a novice either.

There will be no shenanigans. Floyd loves his undefeated record more than his kids. He isnt about to risk that for another payday especially when he's making 200 plus mill in this fight. If Floyd wins, it will be because he is a elite boxer who was fighting a first time professional. If Conor wins, it will be because he caught Floyd and Father Time weakened Floyd's chin.

Lets stop it with this "Floyd could knock him out in less than a minute stuff." Floyd has shown nothing in his career that supports that. Conor has a heck of a chin. He's never been KO'd while fighting some of the hardest hitting 145 and 155 fighters in the sport.

I'm not saying Floyd cant KO him but he isnt going to run over Conor simply because he is a boxer.

[Money99]

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Sorry aholbert32. I love you man. You're a great source of information regarding MMA and boxing. I always enjoy your takes and your opinions.
But this is one area we'll have to agree to disagree.

MMA is about being a jack of all trades and a master of none (mostly).
I know he's had substantial work in boxing during the course of his MMA career.
But that's a lot different than devoting your life to one skill.
Sparring is so much different than engaging in a pro bout. Or even an amateur fight.

Connor is an incredible striker in the UFC. But I've heard enough boxing people who've worked with him, or sparred with him, say his boxing is weak; Freddie Roach being one of them.
And a few others have said he didn't have that much power.

Floyd has brittle hands and rarely goes for the knockout. But he's also fighting world class boxing talent.
I don't think Connor has the gas to last 12 rounds. Floyd lives in deep water.
And I do think there is a distinct psychological advantage for Floyd as he's never quit in a fight while Connor has - three times.
Once the mind knows that's an option, it's too easy to reach for it again.

I wouldn't be shocked in the least if Connor bit, kicked, headbutted or elbowed his way to a disqualification after he realizes he's in way, way, waaaaay over his head.

And I would be saying the exact same things if Mayweather were to fight McGregor in an MMA match.

[Money99]

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Also, he tagged Nate Diaz several times square and was unable to put him away. And that's with tiny 4oz gloves. I know Nate is a tough, tough dude. But he's never going to be mistaken for Floyd.

Mayweather will be 100x more elusive. And after Connor misses, he can expect about a dozen punches to come back in return.
And as boxers will tell you, it's the punch you don't see that knocks you out.

How many highly offensive fighters, who had power, suddenly became gunshy when they fought Floyd? All of them.
That's because after the first few offensive fronts, they were potshotted with several counter-punches.
And I stand by my assertion that the JR Middleweight golden gloves champ from any state would dominate Connor in a boxing contest.

[aholbert32]

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Sorry aholbert32. I love you man. You're a great source of information regarding MMA and boxing. I always enjoy your takes and your opinions.
But this is one area we'll have to agree to disagree.

MMA is about being a jack of all trades and a master of none (mostly).
I know he's had substantial work in boxing during the course of his MMA career.
But that's a lot different than devoting your life to one skill.
Sparring is so much different than engaging in a pro bout. Or even an amateur fight.

Connor is an incredible striker in the UFC. But I've heard enough boxing people who've worked with him, or sparred with him, say his boxing is weak; Freddie Roach being one of them.
And a few others have said he didn't have that much power.

Floyd has brittle hands and rarely goes for the knockout. But he's also fighting world class boxing talent.
I don't think Connor has the gas to last 12 rounds. Floyd lives in deep water.
And I do think there is a distinct psychological advantage for Floyd as he's never quit in a fight while Connor has - three times.
Once the mind knows that's an option, it's too easy to reach for it again.

I wouldn't be shocked in the least if Connor bit, kicked, headbutted or elbowed his way to a disqualification after he realizes he's in way, way, waaaaay over his head.

And I would be saying the exact same things if Mayweather were to fight McGregor in an MMA match.

Not true at all.

Demian Maia is a master at BJJ and below average in everything else.....he was just the #1 contender for the UFC WW belt.

Alistair Overeem is a world class kickboxer and a below average grappler....multiple time MMA champion and former #1 contender for the UFC HW belt.

I could go on for hours about this. I'm not saying Conor is a master boxer. He's not but he's not a fish out of water either. This isnt like a boxer who's never grappled.

As for Freddie, Freddie talks up whoever pays him. Freddie has been quoted as saying GSP would be a top level boxer if he committed to it which is laughable. But GSP has been paying him to train for years so you get press like that.

The "quit in a fight" line is just BS from Floyd. He got submitted. Damn near every MMA fighter has been submitted in a fight during their career. That doesnt mean he cant survive deep water...it means someone had their arm around his neck choking him unconscious. Floyd would do the same if that happened. HOF James Toney did the same when that happened.

[aholbert32]

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Also, he tagged Nate Diaz several times square and was unable to put him away. And that's with tiny 4oz gloves. I know Nate is a tough, tough dude. But he's never going to be mistaken for Floyd.

Mayweather will be 100x more elusive. And after Connor misses, he can expect about a dozen punches to come back in return.
And as boxers will tell you, it's the punch you don't see that knocks you out.

How many highly offensive fighters, who had power, suddenly became gunshy when they fought Floyd? All of them.
That's because after the first few offensive fronts, they were potshotted with several counter-punches.
And I stand by my assertion that the JR Middleweight golden gloves champ from any state would dominate Connor in a boxing contest.

Nate Diaz has arguably the best chin in MMA. 22 UFC bouts with 3/4 against TOP UFC fighters. KO's once and that was because of head kick. The only person to consistently hurt him was Conor. ****, only two people have even knocked Nate down and one of them was Conor. Conor also did that 6 times between the two fights.

Floyd's chin isnt the main reason he survives. Its because he doesnt get hit. Nate does. So talking about Conor's power doesnt really work by comparing the two.

[JayBee74]

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Come on man.

Now Conor cant even beat an amateur fighter? LOL.

He never had an amateur fight. When Olympic gold medalist Pete Rademacher used his pro debut to fight Floyd Patterson for the heavyweight championship everyone thought it was a joke even though Pete had a distinguished "non-pro" career. On top of that, he even KOed all his Olympic opponents. He was a 10-1 underdog but despite that, he knocked down Patterson in the second round only to suffer a severe seven knockdown battering where the ref mercifully stopped the fight when the game challenger refused to stay down again (think Paul Newman VS George Kennedy in Cool Hand Luke).

Forget MMA fans betting Conor down. Shouldn't the MMA guy be at least 15-1 or 20-1?

This is just my take. I'd be flabbergasted if Conor even puts up a decent showing. I know aholbert32 hasn't picked Conor to win, but I give him about a 10% chance of looking decent.

[aholbert32]

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He never had an amateur fight. When Olympic gold medalist Pete Rademacher used his pro debut to fight Floyd Patterson for the heavyweight championship everyone thought it was a joke even though Pete had a distinguished "non-pro" career. On top of that, he even KOed all his Olympic opponents. He was a 10-1 underdog but despite that, he knocked down Patterson in the second round only to suffer a severe seven knockdown battering where the ref mercifully stopped the fight when the game challenger refused to stay down again (think Paul Newman VS George Kennedy in Cool Hand Luke).

Forget MMA fans betting Conor down. Shouldn't the MMA guy be at least 15-1 or 20-1?

This is just my take. I'd be flabbergasted if Conor even puts up a decent showing. I know aholbert32 hasn't picked Conor to win, but I give him about a 10% chance of looking decent.

Sure. I think the odds should be higher. I have an issue with both sides.

I have an issue with MMA fans who think Conor has a higher than 1% chance of beating Floyd.

I also have an issue with boxing fans who think Conor is going to get in the ring, look at his boxing gloves and not know what to do.

My perfect world is one where Conor loses every round but lands a few shots throughout. That way Conor comes back to MMA for the Diaz fight and boxing eliteists have to STFU about how an MMA guy couldnt survive in a boxing ring with an elite fighter.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Nate Diaz has arguably the best chin in MMA. 22 UFC bouts with 3/4 against TOP UFC fighters. KO's once and that was because of head kick. The only person to consistently hurt him was Conor. ****, only two people have even knocked Nate down and one of them was Conor. Conor also did that 6 times between the two fights.

Floyd's chin isnt the main reason he survives. Its because he doesnt get hit. Nate does. So talking about Conor's power doesnt really work by comparing the two.

And herein lies the problem.

Floyd does get hit. As elusive as he is, he gets hit a ton.

It's just rarely ever clean.

Guys with way more power than Conor have managed to hit Floyd clean (Mosley).
Guys with way more power than Conor have worked Floyd's body (OscarDLH).

Boxers are used to taking punches. They're used to getting hit but having enough legs under them to not drop.

You can explain better than me why MMA fighters drop so much once hit. I have my theories.

But Conor hitting Floyd and actually doing damage are 2 different things.

[JayBee74]

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My perfect world is one where Conor loses every round but lands a few shots throughout. That way Conor comes back to MMA for the Diaz fight and boxing eliteists have to STFU about how an MMA guy couldnt survive in a boxing ring with an elite fighter.

If Conor loses a one sided decision to Floyd but survives do you think he goes back to MMA?

LOL, the better question is if makes $100 million dollars for this fight would he go back to MMA? Couldn't he go into acting, like take over the Roadhouse remake that Rousey was supposed to do?

[JayBee74]

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You can explain better than me why MMA fighters drop so much once hit. I have my theories.

But Conor hitting Floyd and actually doing damage are 2 different things.

Does Conor hurt opponents a lot with his kicks to soften them up for his "hand strikes"?

[aholbert32]

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And herein lies the problem.

Floyd does get hit. As elusive as he is, he gets hit a ton.

It's just rarely ever clean.

Guys with way more power than Conor have managed to hit Floyd clean (Mosley).
Guys with way more power than Conor have worked Floyd's body (OscarDLH).

Boxers are used to taking punches. They're used to getting hit but having enough legs under them to not drop.

You can explain better than me why MMA fighters drop so much once hit. I have my theories.

But Conor hitting Floyd and actually doing damage are 2 different things.

Floyd has a opponent connect percentage of 19% which puts him 4th in the history of boxing. He doesnt get hit. Whether its the body or head, 19% of those punches land.

I have no idea if a old Mosley (who dropped Floyd in the 2nd) has "way more power" than Conor. Same for an old Oscar. I know that Conor has power. I know that only UFC fights he hasnt finished were against Diaz (a guy with an incredible chin) and Holloway (the current FW champ and a fight that Conor won with a torn ACL).

With that said at this point, I dont even know what people are debating. I give Conor a 1% chance of winning and have since the fight was even thought of. Do I think Conor could hurt Floyd? Sure. Conor hits hard and Floyd is older. Do I think Conor will get KO'd? Maybe but the evidence (He quit against Diaz/ He got tired in the Diaz fight/He's not a pro boxer) isnt enough to convince me that it will definitely happen.