Canelo Alvarez v Austin Trout- April 20th

[NYG_Meth]

Re: Canelo Alvarez v Austin Trout- April 20th

I also had Trout winning the fight. I think I had him winning it 8 rounds to 4, but obviously I gave Canelo credit for the 10-8 round in the 7th. Clearly I thought the official cards were pretty off, but even the unofficial cards from the announcers seemed off to me. Was it just me that felt this way?

[N51_rob]

Re: Canelo Alvarez v Austin Trout- April 20th

I also had Trout winning the fight. I think I had him winning it 8 rounds to 4, but obviously I gave Canelo credit for the 10-8 round in the 7th. Clearly I thought the official cards were pretty off, but even the unofficial cards from the announcers seemed off to me. Was it just me that felt this way?

I felt that Trout out-boxed Alvarez. Alvarez took rounds off and was basically winning rounds on 3-5 big punches a round. That said he did get a KD doing that, but if he didn't know that after 8 rounds he had the fight in the bag it would probably be a different fight the last 4 rounds. For the record I had trout 7 rounds to 5 with the 10-8 round.

[NYG_Meth]

Re: Canelo Alvarez v Austin Trout- April 20th

I felt that Trout out-boxed Alvarez. Alvarez took rounds off and was basically winning rounds on 3-5 big punches a round. That said he did get a KD doing that, but if he didn't know that after 8 rounds he had the fight in the bag it would probably be a different fight the last 4 rounds. For the record I had trout 7 rounds to 5 with the 10-8 round.

Glad I'm not crazy. Either that, or you and I are BOTH crazy haha.

[sheredia]

Re: Canelo Alvarez v Austin Trout- April 20th

close, competitive fight.....trout boxed well, but couldn't hurt alvarez at all. canelo did slip alot of punches as well. trout did box differently after the knockdown, so i feel that was the difference. the fight was much closer than the scorecards. i do feel 115-112 was the closest to the true scorecard.

[JayBee74]

Re: Canelo Alvarez v Austin Trout- April 20th

Wow, guys. I don't even think Trout thought he won.

"He was the better man," He was quicker, he was stronger, he was the better man."

It was a difficult fight to score (absurd to think you could score the knockdown round 10-9) but in the rounds that Alvarez "took off" a bit he would usually bang Trout with some serious shots and then use some good head moment to make Trout miss....and miss a lot.

I don't hear too many reverberations across the boxing world saying Trout got robbed.

[N51_rob]

Re: Canelo Alvarez v Austin Trout- April 20th

Wow, guys. I don't even think Trout thought he won.

"He was the better man," He was quicker, he was stronger, he was the better man."

It was a difficult fight to score (absurd to think you could score the knockdown round 10-9) but in the rounds that Alvarez "took off" a bit he would usually bang Trout with some serious shots and then use some good head moment to make Trout miss....and miss a lot.

I don't hear too many reverberations across the boxing world saying Trout got robbed.

I agree that there were many tough rounds to score, and I have no problem with Alvarez winning the fight. That is the beauty of boxing numerous peoples can and will see the fight differently. Like I said, I thought Trout won more rounds on "ring generalship" than Alvarez did on "clean punching", but there were a ton of rounds that I had for Trout that were close and I could understand going to Alvarez. 3 and 4 stand out to me. I had them one for each fighter, but I could easily see them going both to one fighter.

[pietasterp]

Re: Canelo Alvarez v Austin Trout- April 20th

Wow, guys. I don't even think Trout thought he won.

"He was the better man," He was quicker, he was stronger, he was the better man."

It was a difficult fight to score (absurd to think you could score the knockdown round 10-9) but in the rounds that Alvarez "took off" a bit he would usually bang Trout with some serious shots and then use some good head moment to make Trout miss....and miss a lot.

I don't hear too many reverberations across the boxing world saying Trout got robbed.

Yes, but I think his immediate post-fight comments were colored heavily by the fact that the outcome was known since the end of the 8th round by both sides. Had the fight been a draw on the cards (or 1-round either way) after 8, and then he took a loss on the cards at the end, I suspect his post-fight comments would have been much different in tone.

Trout's a classy guy, so maybe he just isn't the kind to complain or mope, and you're right that I don't hear much chatter about Trout getting a raw deal. As I said prior, I don't have a problem with Alvarez getting the win, since he got the knockdown in a closely contested bout, and I don't think Trout got completely "robbed", but I think it's entirely reasonable to watch that fight and score it for Trout. And I definitely don't think it's "absurd" that the 7th round (where the knockdown occurred) could be scored as a 10-9 round - there is precedent for that, and the knockdown happened 15 seconds into the round, after which Trout was the aggressor for the remaining 2:45 and landed far more punches, cleaner punches, and some effective punches, even stalking and cornering Alvarez by the end of the round.

i had Trout winning this fight. i thought he controlled the tempo and distance for a mass majority of the fight. take the EXACT same fight, change Trout's last name to Mayweather, and the judges' scorecards would be reversed. Texas should never host an important fight again!

That's an interesting point...a lot of it has to do with perception. I think if you just randomly watched rounds from this fight in isolation, with no context or sound or any other influence, and scored each individual round at different points in time, you might find yourself surprised that at the end, you actually have Trout winning more rounds. I'm not saying this is a definite, but the fight was such that within the context of expectation and overall "feel", Alvarez seemed the more dangerous fighter (and was for sure) and landed more visually impactful shots, but at a very low rate. In essence, you would have to give Alvarez 2x the points for each scoring shot that you gave Trout in order to have him winning the fight (at least by the margins on the final cards). If you had no idea who either guy was, no expectations of either fighter, and no announcing or crowd noise, it's possible you score that fight in a completely different way. Or not; but it is an interesting point nonetheless...

[bakan723]

Re: Canelo Alvarez v Austin Trout- April 20th

I wouldn't say Trout got ROBBED, but that was a close fight. Canelo was far too inactive to win easily. That being said, Trout didn't capitalize enough on it.

[JayBee74]

Re: Canelo Alvarez v Austin Trout- April 20th

Yes, but I think his immediate post-fight comments were colored heavily by the fact that the outcome was known since the end of the 8th round by both sides. Had the fight been a draw on the cards (or 1-round either way) after 8, and then he took a loss on the cards at the end, I suspect his post-fight comments would have been much different in tone.

That's a valid point, but I think much of Trout's post fight reflection came from being on the end of some of those powerful shots, and not being able to dent Alvarez.

And I definitely don't think it's "absurd" that the 7th round (where the knockdown occurred) could be scored as a 10-9 round - there is precedent for that, and the knockdown happened 15 seconds into the round, after which Trout was the aggressor for the remaining 2:45 and landed far more punches, cleaner punches, and some effective punches, even stalking and cornering Alvarez by the end of the round.

Trout would have had to hurt Alvarez to get a chance at a 10-9 deficit, but the result of that bazooka right from Canelo sealed it for me. Trout looked like a human rubber band.

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[bakan723]

Re: Canelo Alvarez v Austin Trout- April 20th

Trout would have had to hurt Alvarez to get a chance at a 10-9 deficit

No. If he obviously outboxes him the whole round (but doesn't hut him), it should be a 10-9 round, not 10-8.

I'm not saying that Trout did enough to make it a 10-9, btw. Would have to take another look at that round.

[JayBee74]

Re: Canelo Alvarez v Austin Trout- April 20th

No. If he obviously outboxes him the whole round (but doesn't hut him), it should be a 10-9 round, not 10-8.

I'm not saying that Trout did enough to make it a 10-9, btw. Would have to take another look at that round.

A No or a Yes shouldn't be attached to my comment. That's my call based on the impact of Alvarez's knockdown punch. For Trout to neutralize that knockdown and upgrade from 8-10 to 9-10 he'd would have had to obviously hurt Alvarez. That's if I'm judging the fight.

[pietasterp]

Re: Canelo Alvarez v Austin Trout- April 20th

A No or a Yes shouldn't be attached to my comment. That's my call based on the impact of Alvarez's knockdown punch. For Trout to neutralize that knockdown and upgrade from 8-10 to 9-10 he'd would have had to obviously hurt Alvarez. That's if I'm judging the fight.

I agree, I would not argue that it's a definite 10-9 vs 10-8, it's certainly open for interpretation. Reasonable argument could be made either way.

In the end, it seems there isn't too much argument about the result among the mainstream boxing press (if there is such a thing), so clearly the consensus is that the result of the entire fight was correct, if not the actual details. As someone (Dan Rafael?) said, Trout seemed to be winning the battles, but Canelo was winning the war. I guess I would have to agree with that, although from a strictly round-by-round scoring perspective, I'd have had Trout by 1-2 points (even assuming a 10-8 in round 7). Anyway, I guess I've spoken my peace about this fight, so seeing as how I have nothing productive to add to this conversation....on to the next bout.

[JayBee74]

Re: Canelo Alvarez v Austin Trout- April 20th

I agree, I would not argue that it's a definite 10-9 vs 10-8, it's certainly open for interpretation. Reasonable argument could be made either way.

In the end, it seems there isn't too much argument about the result among the mainstream boxing press (if there is such a thing), so clearly the consensus is that the result of the entire fight was correct, if not the actual details. As someone (Dan Rafael?) said, Trout seemed to be winning the battles, but Canelo was winning the war. I guess I would have to agree with that, although from a strictly round-by-round scoring perspective, I'd have had Trout by 1-2 points (even assuming a 10-8 in round 7). Anyway, I guess I've spoken my peace about this fight, so seeing as how I have nothing productive to add to this conversation....on to the next bout.

I hear ya'. Cliché word of the day-subjective. But No way, no how could I not give Alvarez anything other than a 10-8 round. If the knockout punch wasn't as jolting there might be an argument (IMO).

Major props to Trout for his performance that round and the rest of the fight following being dropped like that.

[bakan723]

Re: Canelo Alvarez v Austin Trout- April 20th

It was a huge shot, but he also recovered from it pretty quick also.

[edaddy]

Re: Canelo Alvarez v Austin Trout- April 20th

I agree that there were many tough rounds to score, and I have no problem with Alvarez winning the fight. That is the beauty of boxing numerous peoples can and will see the fight differently. Like I said, I thought Trout won more rounds on "ring generalship" than Alvarez did on "clean punching", but there were a ton of rounds that I had for Trout that were close and I could understand going to Alvarez. 3 and 4 stand out to me. I had them one for each fighter, but I could easily see them going both to one fighter.

Good post I agre 100%.There were many rounds that were just flat out tough to score. Maybe crowd reaction from it being in San Antonio with a proAlvarez crowd made a difference. Never the less I was impressed with both fighters. Alvrez has some hand speed that completely suprised Trout. Trout had the heart and ring savvy that suprised Alvarez and impressed everyone. At this point I don't know if Alvarez is ready for Mayweather he still makes many technical mistakes and has too many periods of inactivity that you simply can,t have against Floyd. But maybe his youth and power and speed can overcome those flaws, I am very curious as to Floyd looks aginst Guerrero. I personally thonk his skills have eroded and he has slowed down to the point that his fights will now be competitive..LOL..If he has slowed he will be ripe for the Alvarez picking..