Is there an actual gameplan to beating Floyd?

[Money99]

All of his opponents and trainers talk about it. Maidana is no different.
Yet, Floyd is 45-0.

I think the only chance anyone has of beating Mayweather is:
1. Lucky punch.
2. Southpaw with quick hands.
3. Father Time.

[SPRINGS03]

Re: Is there an actual gameplan to beating Floyd?

All of his opponents and trainers talk about it. Maidana is no different.
Yet, Floyd is 45-0.

I think the only chance anyone has of beating Mayweather is:
1. Lucky punch.
2. Southpaw with quick hands.
3. Father Time.

I agree, but i'd remove southpaw with quick hands thing. Quick hands will definitely help, but being a southpaw, not so much IMO. Sure the straight left can't be shoulder rolled as well, but floyds punch stats against southpaws are ridiculous, he doesn't really have problems with southpaws like people think.

I had a boxing coach who once told me to beat floyd you would need to hit his arms and tire them, and also go to the body and because it's not completely covered in the philly shell. I kind of agree, i think trying to get his body and arms would could wear him down some and make him a little easier to hit, but you'd have to be willing to eat a lot of counter shots in return.

I'd also say a tall rangy fighter with a good jab could make a fight a bit more challenging. This is one reason i thought that sergio martinez would be the toughest fight floyd could possibly make at one point(yes tougher than pacquiao) because of his style. But it's like they say, talking about a gameplan and then actually doing it against floyd are 2 different things, so who knows.

[fistofrage]

Re: Is there an actual gameplan to beating Floyd?

You got to be quick. Not just hand speed but upper body. You also have to be fearless. I see way too many boxers just worried that if they throw a punch Floyd will counter them. You got to be well north of 50 punches per round.

I would think that a lefty could give him fits. But it would be better if the natural lefty was fighting in an Orthodox stance. Jab Left, straight right, get him to roll his left shoulder and then try to catch him with a powerful left hook out of the power hand. It will be hard to set up, but I think its doable, the key to beating Floyd is to throw a volume of punches and get him to pick up the punch count too. When Floyd concentrates on his defense, and each boxer is only throwing 30 to 40 punches a round, no one is going to beat Floyd.

That said, Floyd is not unbeatable. Damarcus "Chop Chop" Corley had him in a world of hurt. Mosley rocked him too. Just have to capitalize on any opening he gives you and if you rock him, you better have a plan to follow it up because Floyds defense goes into a different gear when he does get hit hard.

[JayBee74]

Re: Is there an actual gameplan to beating Floyd?

All of his opponents and trainers talk about it. Maidana is no different.
Yet, Floyd is 45-0.

I think the only chance anyone has of beating Mayweather is:
1. Lucky punch.
2. Southpaw with quick hands.
3. Father Time.

I think it's more a matter of "who" then "how". I think a devastating puncher with decent boxing skills could do it. Adonis Stevenson maybe?*

*a little boxing humor.

[iLLmatic]

Re: Is there an actual gameplan to beating Floyd?

Zab Judah had ALL the needed skills (hand and foot speed, southpaw, good head movement) but in true Judah fashion, got away from his plan and squandered his chance due to lack of focus.

Chop Chop, as stated earlier did work on Floyd too but I think that those fights were such a long time ago that the current, more experienced Floyd, could walk through any fighter currently and no one other than maybe Pacquiao from about 5-6 years ago, could have had a shot of beating him with pure skills as opposed to a lucky punch which I think is the only way to beat Floyd for any of his recent opponents.

Pacquiao actually would have had a very good punchers chance until his lack of head movement and defensive skills would have been exposed by the first 4-6 rounds and then Floyd would have figured him out and won by decision.

[LakerFan56]

Re: Is there an actual gameplan to beating Floyd?

I always thought someone with a long stiff jab could give Mayweather problems. De La Hoya had some success and it was a close fight. It's also why some boxers have said Kahn has an outside chance.

http://youtu.be/blYlVc98sDs?t=3m

Being in his late 30's, we don't know how much longer Mayweather can dominate like he has.

[JayBee74]

Re: Is there an actual gameplan to beating Floyd?

I always thought someone with a long stiff jab could give Mayweather problems. De La Hoya had some success and it was a close fight.

Good point, but I thought Floyd handily beat Oscar the second half of the fight and am still scratching by head over how one judge gave it to Oscar.

[J_Posse]

Re: Is there an actual gameplan to beating Floyd?

Good point, but I thought Floyd handily beat Oscar the second half of the fight and am still scratching by head over how one judge gave it to Oscar.

Oscar was past his prime at that point in his career. Had the fight happened a few years earlier with Oscar at his best the outcome may have been different. Tough to say what kind of fighter could/can give Floyd any real trouble since he usually avoids the most dangerous likely opponent, he'll probably never be seriously hurt or endanger of losing a fight, if he fights once or twice more. A old Shane Mosley and one other match, which was before I began paying attention to him, are the only times he was considered in trouble or hurt from what I recollect.



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[JayBee74]

Re: Is there an actual gameplan to beating Floyd?

Oscar was past his prime at that point in his career.

no doubt about it.

[redsrule]

Re: Is there an actual gameplan to beating Floyd?

Good point, but I thought Floyd handily beat Oscar the second half of the fight and am still scratching by head over how one judge gave it to Oscar.

Judges suck

[fistofrage]

Re: Is there an actual gameplan to beating Floyd?

Judges suck

I had Maidana winning a minimum of 6 rounds on Saturday and possibly 7. There is no way he lost that fight. A draw was a most likely outcome. But to beat the champ in his home town you really have to beat him.

If these were 2 nobodies fighting on Friday Night fights. I am pretty confident Maidana walks away with no worse than a draw and probably a unanimous decision.

[DaveDQ]

Re: Is there an actual gameplan to beating Floyd?

I think father time is it. In my opinion he combines his excellent cardio conditioning with incredible defense, making fighters behind by round 4 or 5. From the he begins to counter and its over.

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[JayBee74]

Re: Is there an actual gameplan to beating Floyd?

I had Maidana winning a minimum of 6 rounds on Saturday and possibly 7. There is no way he lost that fight. A draw was a most likely outcome. But to beat the champ in his home town you really have to beat him.

If these were 2 nobodies fighting on Friday Night fights. I am pretty confident Maidana walks away with no worse than a draw and probably a unanimous decision.

It certainly wasn't 9-3 or 8-4. I would be OK with a draw. I'd like to see the fight again. It's also interesting that many in this forum gave Floyd the last round. Hmmmm???

[redsrule]

Re: Is there an actual gameplan to beating Floyd?

I had it 117-111 for Floyd or 9 rounds to 3. Maidana "roughed" him up in the clinch but most of his shots hit air or shoulder/arm. I could see Maidana winning r11 or 12 as well which would have made it 8-4/7-5 on my scorecard. A lot of the rounds were close, but give me actually landing solid punches over the looping haymakers Maidana missed the whole fight.

[Rosie23]

Re: Is there an actual gameplan to beating Floyd?

I had it 117-111 for Floyd or 9 rounds to 3. Maidana "roughed" him up in the clinch but most of his shots hit air or shoulder/arm. I could see Maidana winning r11 or 12 as well which would have made it 8-4/7-5 on my scorecard. A lot of the rounds were close, but give me actually landing solid punches over the looping haymakers Maidana missed the whole fight.

Mayweather didnt make very much contact himself, Maidana looked like he was done with a sparing session after the match. i had Maidana 115-113