Is there an actual gameplan to beating Floyd?

[JayBee74]

Re: Is there an actual gameplan to beating Floyd?

Have to see the bout again, but I'm sure Maidana won 4 of the first 5 rounds. I got caught up in the excitement of the fight, but there weren't too many definitive rounds that Floyd won. Very close fight.

When is the rebroadcast? (Couldn't tape the PPV)

[SPRINGS03]

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Mayweather didnt make very much contact himself, Maidana looked like he was done with a sparing session after the match. i had Maidana 115-113

He landed at about 50 percent and landed more punches than maidana while throwing 200 less. Not to mention, floyds face didn't look messed up either, minus the cut from the accidental headbutt. Maidana isn't really known to bust up like that, and he has a good chin.

Mayweather definitely won the fight, and i feel like people just want him to lose because it was closer than people thought it would be and people like seeing the underdog win. He had better punch stats, and outlanded maidana while throwing waaay less. He landed the most clean and effective punches IMO. Maidana had some good shots, but he wasn't landing clean shots the way floyd was. He was roughing floyd up more than hurting him, there's a difference.

@JayBee74, i'll just say this, you can find the fight if you look hard enough on the internet. I've found the full fight replay.

[Rosie23]

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Cool story bro, didnt see one single mark on Maidana. Floyd definatley looked more hurt and its not even close, the guy was bleeding and couldn't see for 2-3 rounds, his own words. Mayweather didnt win the fight, he was awarded the fight because of his name, Maidana won.

Maybe someday Floyd will stop ducking pacman and finally get his loss so people stop just awarding him fights, ive seen about 4-6 he should have been credited for a loss.

He landed at about 50 percent and landed more punches than maidana while throwing 200 less. Not to mention, floyds face didn't look messed up either, minus the cut from the accidental headbutt. Maidana isn't really known to bust up like that, and he has a good chin.

Mayweather definitely won the fight, and i feel like people just want him to lose because it was closer than people thought it would be and people like seeing the underdog win. He had better punch stats, and outlanded maidana while throwing waaay less. He landed the most clean and effective punches IMO. Maidana had some good shots, but he wasn't landing clean shots the way floyd was. He was roughing floyd up more than hurting him, there's a difference.

@JayBee74, i'll just say this, you can find the fight if you look hard enough on the internet. I've found the full fight replay.

[SPRINGS03]

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Cool story bro, didnt see one single mark on Maidana. Floyd definatley looked more hurt and its not even close, the guy was bleeding and couldn't see for 2-3 rounds, his own words. Mayweather didnt win the fight, he was awarded the fight because of his name, Maidana won.

Maybe someday Floyd will stop ducking pacman and finally get his loss so people stop just awarding him fights, ive seen about 4-6 he should have been credited for a loss.

Lmao, stop. You're one of those rabid pacquiao fans who only keeps up with pacquiao and mayweather aren't you? No point in logically debating with you over this anymore, you're a lost cause.

By the way, mayweather was cut by an accidental headbutt. Guessing you didn't watch the fight and just heard about it and decided maidana won becase you don't like mayweather.

[sheredia]

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Have to see the bout again, but I'm sure Maidana won 4 of the first 5 rounds. I got caught up in the excitement of the fight, but there weren't too many definitive rounds that Floyd won. Very close fight.

When is the rebroadcast? (Couldn't tape the PPV)

maybe saturday night? GREAT fight.....just some thoughts, maidana threw over twice as many punches as mayweather (858-426), landed just 9 fewer punches (230-221), won ring generalship (control and pace of fight) and effective aggressiveness (fought coming forward), maybe tied for clean punches (but BOTH fighters missed alot of punches), lost in defense, was never hurt at all, and still lost the fight? i noticed after the fight, floyd raised one hand and maidana raised two hands. also, floyd said he gave the fans an exciting fight, but the thing is, HE isn't the one who made it exciting.

[fistofrage]

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maybe saturday night? GREAT fight.....just some thoughts, maidana threw over twice as many punches as mayweather (858-426), landed just 9 fewer punches (230-221), won ring generalship (control and pace of fight) and effective aggressiveness (fought coming forward), maybe tied for clean punches (but BOTH fighters missed alot of punches), lost in defense, was never hurt at all, and still lost the fight? i noticed after the fight, floyd raised one hand and maidana raised two hands. also, floyd said he gave the fans an exciting fight, but the thing is, HE isn't the one who made it exciting.

I agree with this. Floyd saying he wanted to let the fans see an exciting fight is basically saying that he told Maidana, don't worry man, I'm not going to counter you so come at me and throw a ton of punches. Madaina forced the action and dictated the fight in 6 or 7 rounds of that fight. I had it a draw with a possible Madaina victory. Both fighters could have easily gone another 3 rounds.

Floyd didn't make that fight exciting, he had a fearless guy infront of him that for a majority of the fight forced the pace of the fight.

That said, to win against Floyd, you cant leave it up to the judges. The champion always will get the close rounds, especially Floyd, and I'm OK with that. Objectively speaking though, I had Floyd losing 6 or 7 of those rounds. There were 2 rounds that I had Floyd winning clearly and 3 or 4 were really close, the other 6 I gave to Maidana.

[SPRINGS03]

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I agree with this. Floyd saying he wanted to let the fans see an exciting fight is basically saying that he told Maidana, don't worry man, I'm not going to counter you so come at me and throw a ton of punches. Madaina forced the action and dictated the fight in 6 or 7 rounds of that fight. I had it a draw with a possible Madaina victory. Both fighters could have easily gone another 3 rounds.

Floyd didn't make that fight exciting, he had a fearless guy infront of him that for a majority of the fight forced the pace of the fight.

That said, to win against Floyd, you cant leave it up to the judges. The champion always will get the close rounds, especially Floyd, and I'm OK with that. Objectively speaking though, I had Floyd losing 6 or 7 of those rounds. There were 2 rounds that I had Floyd winning clearly and 3 or 4 were really close, the other 6 I gave to Maidana.

Disagree, i believe it's a combination of both. I think floyd did choose to go toe to toe. Look at it like this, he outboxed guerrero and canelo, and he fought toe to toe with ortiz and cotto(and in both fights he said he would). Before the fight he said several times, he wouldn't fight maidana the way he fought guerrero or canelo and it would be an exciting fight. I think floyd is skilled enough that it's believable that he did choose to go more toe to toe(and he's done that before in the past against chop chop corley to make a statment that he could brawl) The funny thing is, when he outboxes someone and shuts them out, people say he runs and doesn't fight like a man, when he goes more toe to toe, people say he's losing it and doesn't have the legs anymore. I give credit to maidana for actually going all out and thrwoing everything he could at mayweather, the guy has heart/guts. Deserves more respect, however, i think that floyd could of stayed off the ropes more if he wanted to as well. He did similar things against cotto and ortiz who he said he would fight toe to toe.

I don't really see how anyone could score it for maidana, unless you count punches to the arm and back of the head as scored punches. When you land 9 less punches, while throwing 200 more, that means something. Also, people tend to get hyped up when maidana would flurry against floyd. I think the rounds maidana won were more due to outworking floyd than actually hitting/hurting him. He won the early rounds like this, but you could arguably give floyd 8-7 rounds.

The last fighter who was really beating floyd cleanly was zab judah imo, watch that fight. In the early rounds judah was landing clean sharp punches and beating floyd to the punch, he actually hurt him pretty badly too, then mayweather adjusted.

[allBthere]

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Disagree, i believe it's a combination of both. I think floyd did choose to go toe to toe. Look at it like this, he outboxed guerrero and canelo, and he fought toe to toe with ortiz and cotto(and in both fights he said he would). Before the fight he said several times, he wouldn't fight maidana the way he fought guerrero or canelo and it would be an exciting fight. I think floyd is skilled enough that it's believable that he did choose to go more toe to toe(and he's done that before in the past against chop chop corley to make a statment that he could brawl) The funny thing is, when he outboxes someone and shuts them out, people say he runs and doesn't fight like a man, when he goes more toe to toe, people say he's losing it and doesn't have the legs anymore. I give credit to maidana for actually going all out and thrwoing everything he could at mayweather, the guy has heart/guts. Deserves more respect, however, i think that floyd could of stayed off the ropes more if he wanted to as well. He did similar things against cotto and ortiz who he said he would fight toe to toe.

I don't really see how anyone could score it for maidana, unless you count punches to the arm and back of the head as scored punches. When you land 9 less punches, while throwing 200 more, that means something. Also, people tend to get hyped up when maidana would flurry against floyd. I think the rounds maidana won were more due to outworking floyd than actually hitting/hurting him. He won the early rounds like this, but you could arguably give floyd 8-7 rounds.

The last fighter who was really beating floyd cleanly was zab judah imo, watch that fight. In the early rounds judah was landing clean sharp punches and beating floyd to the punch, he actually hurt him pretty badly too, then mayweather adjusted.

I remember that fight, and once he adjusted ... all hope was lost lol

I actually think that if Floyd loses a tough fight and were to comeback and win a rematch it would be the best thing for his legacy. * this as opposed to winning another 2 or 3 (easier) fights and retiring undefeated. If that happens there will be more hate, there will be more question marks (what if's) and more doubt.

If he were to lose and comeback, his bandwagon would swell, he would get way more love and have an easier story to tell (overcoming, etc.)

I"m tellin' ya - undefeated isn't the BEE'S KNEE'S lol

[JayBee74]

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I'm watching the fight again right now. I have it 4-4-1 after nine rounds. I scored the 8th a draw.

EDIT: The 10th? I can't in good conscience give it to either fighter. Floyd's right at the end wasn't good enough to win it. 4-4-2 after 10.

EDIT:The 11th was very close because Maidana came on very strong in the last minute. Two Floyd right hands at the end backed up his early round work. 5-4-2 Floyd after 11.

EDIT: I originally thought Maidana won the 12th, but I couldn't give it to either fighter. 5-4-3 Floyd.

My thoughts on this fight mean little other then the fact I got a headache trying to sort some of the rounds out. This fight was basically a draw (IMHO).

[LakerFan56]

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I'm watching the fight again right now. I have it 4-4-1 after nine rounds. I scored the 8th a draw.

EDIT: The 10th? I can't in good conscience give it to either fighter. Floyd's right at the end wasn't good enough to win it. 4-4-2 after 10.

EDIT:The 11th was very close because Maidana came on very strong in the last minute. Two Floyd right hands at the end backed up his early round work. 5-4-2 Floyd after 11.

EDIT: I originally thought Maidana won the 12th, but I couldn't give it to either fighter. 5-4-3 Floyd.

My thoughts on this fight mean little other then the fact I got a headache trying to sort some of the rounds out. This fight was basically a draw (IMHO).

I scored it on Saturday and I had it a draw. I agree with the Showtime guys, it was a close fight. I'd watch a rematch.

[pietasterp]

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I always thought someone with a long stiff jab could give Mayweather problems. De La Hoya had some success and it was a close fight. It's also why some boxers have said Kahn has an outside chance.

http://youtu.be/blYlVc98sDs?t=3m

Good point, but I thought Floyd handily beat Oscar the second half of the fight and am still scratching by head over how one judge gave it to Oscar.

I actually just recently re-watched that fight, and I'm no longer convinced Floyd won it...I'm not sure what my memory of that fight was, but watching it again, it was a lot closer than I recall. I can see someone giving it to Oscar, actually. He was definitely pressing the action, was busier, and although his connect rate was low, in rounds where only a few punches land cleanly either way, I can definitely see giving the nod to the guy coming forward and throwing more punches. To me, the de la Hoya fight and the Castillo fight definitely could have been Floyd losses in my opinion.

He landed at about 50 percent and landed more punches than maidana while throwing 200 less. Not to mention, floyds face didn't look messed up either, minus the cut from the accidental headbutt. Maidana isn't really known to bust up like that, and he has a good chin.

Mayweather definitely won the fight, and i feel like people just want him to lose because it was closer than people thought it would be and people like seeing the underdog win. He had better punch stats, and outlanded maidana while throwing waaay less. He landed the most clean and effective punches IMO. Maidana had some good shots, but he wasn't landing clean shots the way floyd was. He was roughing floyd up more than hurting him, there's a difference.

@JayBee74, i'll just say this, you can find the fight if you look hard enough on the internet. I've found the full fight replay.

I'm not so sure I agree that Floyd "definitely" won the fight, but a round or two in his favor probably made the difference. I think Maidana had the gameplan, which is stay busy and swarm him in the corners, but the problem is that no human can sustain that kind of activity for more than a few rounds, and once the pace slows, Floyd will just pot-shot you to death.

It was one of the more entertaining Mayweather fights in recent memory, though, so I'm glad that he's at least involved in some semblance of an action fight. I guess Khan seems like the next opponent up, although I absolutely hate watching him fight. He's got a ton of skill and good quick hands, but he is just dirty/sloppy and the referees never do anything to make him clean his sh*t up. I mean, he's doing more clutching/grabbing/pushing than B-Hop at this point. I give him a zero percent chance at being competitive with Floyd, especially since Floyd won't be coming in on him, so all of his para-legal tactics will be irrelevant. Throw in his sub-par chin, and he's probably going to sleep on a counter shot somewhere in the mid-rounds.

[JayBee74]

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I actually just recently re-watched that fight, and I'm no longer convinced Floyd won it...I'm not sure what my memory of that fight was, but watching it again, it was a lot closer than I recall.

Hmmm.....I haven't watched it since it happened. I can't remember if I watched the replay.

[brrmikey]

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a little late to the party, but i'm broke and had to wait for the free showtime replay. what happened to the broner replay?...was hoping to see that too...the khan fight was pretty good decent too.

i had floyd winning the fight very close like the showtime crew. but IMHO, floyd could have made this a canelo part 2. he chose to go to the ropes to make it very close, and stole many close rounds with pop shots and making maidana miss shots. showtime will hype the rematch up (all access is good at that due to great production), everybody's pockets will get lined, then when the bell rings, i have floyd winning the rematch like he did the canelo fight. then the hype routine will build again for amir khan?? then floyd will either knock amir khan's head off or do the match/rematch thing like maidana...but that's just my thoughts...never know in this sport of boxing...especially the high dollar business side.

[JayBee74]

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a little late to the party, but i'm broke and had to wait for the free showtime replay. what happened to the broner replay?...was hoping to see that too...the khan fight was pretty good decent too.

Broner's post fight interview was more interesting then the fight.