Mayweather Vs. Pacquiao DEAL DONE

[JayBee74]

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I don't know how anyone would be surprised at the outcome of the boxing match. Floyd ducks a shot fighter at least 5 years out of his prime and outpoints him easily.

Let's get away from the 5 year time machine stuff. Manny would have lost five years ago.

Pac's a great fighter but he's a small welterweight. Hearns and Ray would have demolished him. Put Floyd up against either of those guys with height, reach, and power advantages and the conversation about Floyd being the best ever might be different. (IMO)Throw Duran, and Benitez in that mix and then you have more hurdles for Money to stay undefeated. Just my opinion.

Thurman could give Floyd problems, but I would fall off my chair if that was the champ's last fight.

The guy arguing with Stephen A. is a prime example of

[ggsimmonds]

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He's clearly in their 'camp'. So even if he does speak the truth, which he usually does, it's hard for me in this instance to take him serious. That's his boy.

Drew Magary isn't in Pac's 'camp'. If he was, I wouldn't have even posted that article.

"But when the truth is spoken, you give credit where it's due regardless of who is saying it."

This is why people are jumping on your case though man. Why not just admit you misspoke?

What this fight shows yet again, is the power that Floyd really does have. While he doesn't reall possess knockout power, aggressive guys like Manny completely change up their approach because Floyd starts tagging them and it's like "oh ****, he hits harder than I thought he did. I gotta rethink this."


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You are wrong on this. Floyd does not have great or even good punching power. If he did the clean punches he lands would have more of an effect. He rarely stuns guys or causes their legs to get weak. Yeah I am sure when they get tagged they think wow that hurt but it does not really do anything to them. Of course guys will change their approach if they repeatedly get tagged in the face. They will fear a cut, a cumulative effect, and the mental effect that has. It frustrates them more than anything

[JayBee74]

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Yeah, Juke but Muhammad and Ray were boxer punchers that took their opponents out a lot of times.

Ali at his pinnacle. In his prime my pick as the best ever:

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[ThreeKing]

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Just look at these responses towards me from Mayweather "fans". lol

This is a KNOWN domestic violence abuser, who has done this REPEATEDLY.

It truly is eye-opening.

[lhslancers]

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Yeah, Juke but Muhammad and Ray were boxer punchers that took their opponents out a lot of times.

Ali at his pinnacle. In his prime my pick as the best ever:

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No one saw Ali in his prime.

[CMH]

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Yeah, Juke but Muhammad and Ray were boxer punchers that took their opponents out a lot of times.

Ali at his pinnacle. In his prime my pick as the best ever:

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I think many would pick Ali as the best ever.

I'm not sure anyone is arguing Mayweather is better than Ali.

Just because LeBron isn't Michael Jordan doesn't mean he isn't one of the greats.

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[JODYE]

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That's one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYt5Rz2XlAg

Not sure what the point of posting this video is.

If you were ever expecting a Mayweather fight to be similar to a Hearns or Hagler fight then it is no wonder you were disappointed. Secondly, if you were honestly expecting this fight to live up to one of the greatest fights of all time, that is even more ridiculous.

Mayweather isn't a brawler. Never has been, never will be. Blows my mind that after 15+ years of being a counter puncher, people continue to bitch about it and expect him to be something different.

As he said, when the books are written, it's now how he won, but that he did.

[ggsimmonds]

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Just look at these responses towards me from Mayweather "fans". lol

This is a KNOWN domestic violence abuser, who has done this REPEATEDLY.

It truly is eye-opening.

In case you are not aware of this, the world is not fair. Karma is not real. Some times good things happen to bad people.

Floyd is a ****ty human being, but that does not change anything about his status as a boxer.
You need to accept this. Like him or not Floyd is the best boxer of this generation.

[Rensational14]

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OS is such a revelation for good discussions. Facebook trolls are full of bull****

[ThreeKing]

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In case you are not aware of this, the world is not fair. Karma is not real. Some times good things happen to bad people.

Floyd is a ****ty human being, but that does not change anything about his status as a boxer.
You need to accept this. Like him or not Floyd is the best boxer of this generation.

I don't need to accept ****.

There are instances where I can separate the man from his work.....this isn't one of them.

Anyone who turns a 'blind eye' to something as serious as domestic violence, needs their head checked out, or they need to reevaluate their priorities.

[lhslancers]

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Not sure what the point of posting this video is.

If you were ever expecting a Mayweather fight to be similar to a Hearns or Hagler fight then it is no wonder you were disappointed. Secondly, if you were honestly expecting this fight to live up to one of the greatest fights of all time, that is even more ridiculous.

Mayweather isn't a brawler. Never has been, never will be. Blows my mind that after 15+ years of being a counter puncher, people continue to bitch about it and expect him to be something different.

As he said, when the books are written, it's now how he won, but that he did.

I expected a snore fest which is what we got and is why boxing for all intents and purposes is dead. we had the heavyweight champion of the world fight a few days back. anyone know or care? I hate MMA but it is the way it is going. Me? I can't watch a guy get hit who is already down.

He's not a brawler a very good defensive fighter but he sure ain't near not in the same world as the best ever.

[ggsimmonds]

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I don't need to accept ****.

There are instances where I can separate the man from his work.....this isn't one of them.

Anyone who turns a 'blind eye' to something as serious as domestic violence, needs their head checked out, or they need to reevaluate their priorities.

I am not sure how you can seemingly completely miss my point, but I will try again.

His domestic violence history aside, he is the best boxer of this generation. You don't have to like him, and recognizing his in ring skill does not mean you condone domestic violence.

[kingkilla56]

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I don't need to accept ****.

There are instances where I can separate the man from his work.....this isn't one of them.

Anyone who turns a 'blind eye' to something as serious as domestic violence, needs their head checked out, or they need to reevaluate their priorities.

You keep moving the goal posts. And I dont think anyone has turned a blind eye to his domestic violence. But every single guy who sites Tyson fights from 20 years ago as a way to discredit Floyd as a boxer today are extremely hypocritical, tone deaf and quite frankly brain dead. And those people have come out the woodwork after Floyd won. Not a coincidence.

Either the fight was bad or the fight was bad because Floyd won. Had the roles been reversed you would be calling Manny a masterful strategist and giving Floyd a taste of his own medicine. NOT ONE PERSON would complain about the fight being boring considering every time Manny landed a punch people lost their minds in excitement, regardless of the fact that he was getting destroyed by the scores.

Floyd is a coward domestic abuser. Sure, we all know this, its been drilled down our throats this week. Its one of the major reasons anyone came out to watch this evil man lose. But Floyd is a coward boxer because he doesnt stand there like a moron and let his opponent throw wild punches and belt him? Not in the slightest, and if you think thats the case then you're telling on yourself.

Nothing about what Manny did on Saturday night was masterful or deserving of dethroning the, brace yourself, best fighter of this generation. Im sorry the bad guy won this past weekend. It happens. The sour grapes and excuses coming out the woodwork are hardly surprising. But yal should be complaing about Manny as well giving that weak *** effort to dethrone the guy his came been trash talking for the longest.

Hold that noise and walllow in your disappointment. Floyd beat the **** out of sorry *** Manny. Floyd has no rival, he has no equal, and theres nothing you can complain about that will changed that. Especially not this weak *** time machine argument. Manny would have got his as beat 5 years ago, 10 years ago, 15 years ago, in a EA Fight Night game, at thumb war, tic tac toe, it is what it is.

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Yes Mayweather is still an abuser, try not to make the basis of your response about this undisputable fact. We get it. Manny still lost though

[pietasterp]

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He is not up there with those guys, he has developed his style to win regardless of what people think and regardless of making a good 'fight' ... boxing is a fight after all, and I've always thought floyd's style later in his career is not in the spirit of fighting and more in conflict avoidance - it's all in the rules so he is in his right to do that (except for maybe holding which in numerous fights I think he should have had points taken away) - but just because he is undefeated, doesn't mean I have to rank him with those legends above. All of those guy showed an incredible amount of heart - a warrior spirit in the face of adversity and the ability to fight hard, give an take punishment and truly beat their opponents.

Fighting in a way settles things, and that pac may fight didn't really 'settle' a whole lot for me as an example.

you're entitled to your opinion but as a life long boxing fan, I don't have to rank Floyd up there with those guys because he can't hold a candle to their fighting spirit. That's my opinion and that obviously really matters when I think of all-timers and evaluate them.

I think of Bernard Hopkins in his later career in a very similar fashion and it's why he can't be an ATG for me either. Hold, grind foreheads, hold etc.

I don't think Floyd and SRR can be in the same sentence, and I find the comparison annoying.

I agree w/ allBthere pretty much across the board on this one. Reasonable people can disagree, but the general summary of the pro-Floyd argument seems to be "casual fans that don't understand boxing just hate Floyd because they don't understand his brilliance", or "people just hate Floyd the person so they can't separate him from the boxer"....or some combination of the two. I think there's some truth to both arguments, but I reject the notion that "true" boxing fans must appreciate what Floyd does and give him the lions' share of credit no matter what. And as for the latter argument, I think most people have at one time or another rooted for someone who was less than a boy scout, so I don't know that Floyd's checked past/present explain the dislike for him...

I'm not going to try to convince anyone about my "boxing credibility", if that were even possible (even in real life, let alone on the interwebz...). The fight was boring IMO, and it's also what I (along with pretty much all other boxing observers I've seen/read) pretty much knew was going to happen 100%. Feel free to peruse back to see the prediction (bonus points if someone wants to gravedig for when I predicted the exact same outcome in 2008, when I thought they might fight...!), but every one of Floyd's fights have been essentially the same fight with a rotating cast of opponents. I can appreciate and respect his defensive ability, but that in and of itself doesn't get my interest up. And I would say that it's a rare person that would honestly rather watch Floyd-v-anyone if they could be watching a fight like Bradley-Provodnikov.

This idea that everyone that truly appreciates the nuances of Floyd's boxing should by definition be a fan is totally false. There are plenty of things I can appreciate take a hell of a lot of skill but that I don't like watching at all. I don't doubt it takes a lot of skill to be a top F1 or NASCAR driver, and I appreciate that what they do is unique, but I have zero interest in spending my time watching it. Look, at the end of the day, I'm not a professional appreciator of boxing ability; I'm a guy that likes to watch people fight. It's not my job to force myself to like watching a guy duck-and-weave-and-hold for 12 rounds. I shouldn't have to be convinced that I'm watching something I should like.

Floyd Mayweather is a modern art masterpiece - there's a cadre of people that are (apparently) true "appreciators" of what he does, and basically write-off anyone that doesn't appreciate it as people that don't "get it". He's like a Kandinsky or a Warhol; I'm told they're brilliant, but to me they are an eyesore and I walk right by at the museum toward the Monets and Sargents. No casual observer has to be told to appreciate a Monet; its inherent aesthetic value is obvious and requires no further explanation. Hagler, Hearns, Sugar Ray(s), Iron Mike, Smokin' Joe, Ali? They're Monets.

The one thing Floyd might be the all-time greatest at is hype. The fact that he's able to hype his boring-a** fights into such events that they permeate the national consciousness is nothing short of miraculous. I actually honestly respect the hell out of his abilities in that regard. But if anyone cares if boxing ever really returns to the national conversation full-time, this was probably the worst possible outcome. Completely boring fight that was over-hyped, over-priced, and will turn off generations of potential fight fans for years to come. As is always the case with the PPV model, it's fantastic for the people directly involved, and pretty much the worst possible thing for everyone else (including the overall health of the sport).

Let's get away from the 5 year time machine stuff. Manny would have lost five years ago.

Pac's a great fighter but he's a small welterweight. Hearns and Ray would have demolished him. Put Floyd up against either of those guys with height, reach, and power advantages and the conversation about Floyd being the best ever might be different. (IMO)Throw Duran, and Benitez in that mix and then you have more hurdles for Money to stay undefeated. Just my opinion.

Thurman could give Floyd problems, but I would fall off my chair if that was the champ's last fight.

The guy arguing with Stephen A. is a prime example of

Sceamin' A Smith was juggling Floyd's nuts in his mouth for the better part of the month leading up to the fight in those sycophant ESPN "interviews" he did with Floyd, which basically consisted of Stephen A forking over compliments as they cruised around Vegas in a Bugatti Veyron. Seriously, Stephen A was like a compliment vending machine.

I agree w/ you that there's no way Floyd ever gets in the ring with One-Time Thurman. I don't know if Thurman would do any better at finding him in the ring than anyone else Floyd ever fought, but he's got by far the most lethal 1-punch KO potential of anyone Floyd's ever fought...

For me personally I am a boring person. I like boring things. When I watch Mayweather's fights I don't do so to watch a action packed slugfest; I watch it to see if his opponent that night will be able to crack the Mayweather code so to speak. Some people watch boxing to see two guys beat the hell out of each other (and there is nothing wrong with that), I watch boxing to see the tactics and strategy employed by the fighters. Neither is better or a "pure" boxing fan; it is not like the Madden debate of sim vs casual.

I had to quote this because it was just so funny (bolded emphasis mine). I've never heard anyone say "I like boring things"....

[Bamtino]

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He is not up there with those guys, he has developed his style to win regardless of what people think and regardless of making a good 'fight' ... boxing is a fight after all, and I've always thought floyd's style later in his career is not in the spirit of fighting and more in conflict avoidance - it's all in the rules so he is in his right to do that (except for maybe holding which in numerous fights I think he should have had points taken away) - but just because he is undefeated, doesn't mean I have to rank him with those legends above. All of those guy showed an incredible amount of heart - a warrior spirit in the face of adversity and the ability to fight hard, give an take punishment and truly beat their opponents.

Fighting in a way settles things, and that pac may fight didn't really 'settle' a whole lot for me as an example.

you're entitled to your opinion but as a life long boxing fan, I don't have to rank Floyd up there with those guys because he can't hold a candle to their fighting spirit. That's my opinion and that obviously really matters when I think of all-timers and evaluate them.

I think of Bernard Hopkins in his later career in a very similar fashion and it's why he can't be an ATG for me either. Hold, grind foreheads, hold etc.

I don't think Floyd and SRR can be in the same sentence, and I find the comparison annoying.

I agree that Mayweather should not be ranked up there with Ali and SRR but your reasoning is bull****. What Ali, SRR, Duran, Hagler etc have over Mayweather is that warrior killer instinct. Mayweather isn't a warrior, he's a winner and he is content with that. Penalizing Mayweather's legacy because he made fighters of his generation like Pacquiao look amateurish without knocking them out is just dumb. It's Mayweather's fault Pacquiao failed to provide the adversity Saturday night? Mayweather was supposed to provide that for himself by standing still so Pacquiao can hit him so you can feel entertained? That is a downright nonsensical train of thought my man.

I am also really annoyed and tired of this he "runs and hugs" crap. It makes me seriously question if yall have actually watched old timers like Ali fight or just thrilla and rumble highlights because the Ali who fought Frazier and Foreman was a completely different fighter. Anyone who follows this sport knows the lay off took away his legs.

Prime Muhammad Ali versus Ernie Terell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efBcVKmbLs8

If what Floyd does is running and engaging in a "conflict of avoidance" then what the heck do you call what Ali did in that fight? Dancing circles around Terrell looking to counter the slower man and practically every single time Terrell manged to cut him off Ali grabbed him. Mayweather does the same damn thing with MUCH LESS FOOTWORK same amount of holding and he's a runner and a coward in your mind. Ali barely through a punch other than a jab in the first 3 rounds. Only when Terrell started to tire did Ali let his hands go which goes back to what I said earlier about that warrior instinct Mayweather lacks. When Ali sensed a wounded man, he soled out for the KO.

So why the double standard? If its not fueled by hate for what Mayweather has done outside the ring then what is it? It's not all boxing related and I just proved that with this post.