Mayweather Vs. Pacquiao DEAL DONE

[JayBee74]

Re: Mayweather Vs. Pacquiao DEAL DONE

Then you can say the same for Floyd if that is the angle you are looking to take.

The point is if measuring the two fighter's peaks, Floyd is in another class in comparison to Manny and has been for some time. Not just in the last two fights.

Oh, that's your point. I thought we were talking about Manny's decline based on Pac-Bradley I and Pac-Marquez III.

[JODYE]

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Well that is the one sentence you took out of my first post regarding the fight yes. That wasn't the focus.

[JayBee74]

Re: Mayweather Vs. Pacquiao DEAL DONE

Well that is the one sentence you took out of my first post regarding the fight yes. That wasn't the focus.

That's the only thing WE were discussing. Now it's back to Floyd being in another stratosphere (class), unbeatable, Manny not in his class, etc., etc.

I'm not debating who's going to win the fight, or how great Floyd is. Neither fighter's recent trajectory is going to determine the outcome.

[JODYE]

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Floyd being in another class was the narrative from the beginning if you read the last paragraph. That isn't something that can really be argued.

I made an arbitrary comment that you chose to dissect regarding the effects of being knocked out in the manner that Manny was and the fight before in which he showed the inability to finish, which he had shown in the past as my reasoning for why this fight really won't be as entertaining as it could have been. Whether you or I feel Manny has or has/not regressed is subjective but you pulling the one sentence out of the entire post doesn't change the original point that I was making.

Regardless of their current career arcs, Floyd is a far superior all around boxer and has been for some time. He will win this fight and would have 5 years ago had they fought when they should have.

[JayBee74]

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Okay, that's enough. Let's move on.

[JayBee74]

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Roach is not "entirely satisfied" with how Pacquiao is looking in sparring sessions, specifically how he is cutting off the ring. His training room in Hollywood has been locked down since this past Saturday so he can focus more on training. He also had to work through some calf and leg pain, but apparently he's over it.

Certainly not encouraging news for Pac fans, unless this is a psychological ploy.

[Law504]

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Anyone bet here? Smart money is on Pacquiao, I dont see how Floyd can win this fight, I know he's 47-0 but record doesnt mean much to me, I might bet a huge sum on Pacquiao cause for some reason I feel very confident.

Anyone betting on the fight? If so, how much and break down why you're picking Pac or May

[SPRINGS03]

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^I'd love to take your money man lol.

I'm pretty sure i've already said why i think floyd will win in good detail. But on the note of roach being unhappy with how pacquiao is cutting off the ring, i don't think it's too big of a deal, and there's always speculation/rumors before the fight, doesn't necessarily mean anything big, and could be a mind game.

Also, i've seen a lot of people using the argument that if maidana could pressure floyd and make him look uncomfortable(in the first fight to an extent) than pacquiao could easily do it, but the problem is, maidana is a brawler, pacquiao is more of a boxer puncher. He's not just a slugger, and he's not an inside fighter really, he's best at mid range. He's also not nearly as big as maidana was. It's gonna be a completely different fight. Only 23 days left, god i hope there's not a lot of excuses/bitching after the fight, considering how much trash both sides have talked.

[JayBee74]

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Anyone bet here? Smart money is on Pacquiao, I dont see how Floyd can win this fight, I know he's 47-0 but record doesnt mean much to me, I might bet a huge sum on Pacquiao cause for some reason I feel very confident.

Anyone betting on the fight? If so, how much and break down why you're picking Pac or May

Simple odds have Pac an 8-5 underdog. A $300 successful bet on Floyd gives you a $143 profit, for Manny a $510 profit. [FM -210, MP +170]

I'd have to get Pac to at least a 3-1 dog before I would consider betting on him. As SPRINGS noted, Maidana's pressuring was more to his brawler style, Pac is still a small welterweight, he hasn't KOed anybody in almost five years, and Floyd's leads and counter still sting a lot. Can Pac cut the ring off on Floyd? I doubt it.

Both fighters win a lot of rounds, but Pac will have his work cut out for him to win a decision. It's just going to be tough for him to get through that defense.

No bet for me on either fighter.

[Law504]

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Thanks for the breakdown guys, i have a couple of grand on Pac, i never bet against Floyd before but Im very confident and excited.

I think Pac is more battle tested as Floyd havent faced anyone like Pac before, Pac foot work and speed will cause Floyd problems

Pac fought the former 3rd ranked p4p fighter in Bradley, yes, Bradley is no Mayweather but he's a slick fighter. I think Pac is a smarter fighter now, as he changed fighter style from brawler to boxer, he can do both but he chose to being a boxer now, plus the pressure of the world is on Pac shoulders and I see him training like never before, remember styles make fights, just look how Castillo beat Mayweather (In my opinion he did) Pac wins by being more active.

remember TBE (Ali) even lost so 47-0 doesnt mean anything, You have the best trainer and the best fighter together coming up with a gameplan to beat Floyd.

[SPRINGS03]

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^Neither guy has faced an opponent like the other that's for sure. Bradley is nice, but i wouldn't say he's that slick(look at him in the provodnokov fight, he was very hittable by a slower opponent).

Pacquiao has definitely shown he can box more, and since he got knocked out by marquez,he hasn't been as reckless. But i think him boxing more might hurt him, he's not gonna outbox floyd. I've heard some people say pac will win because he's more active(my barber actually said that). It's a fair argument, and i understand it, but floyd has fought plenty of guys that are more active, hell maidana was throwing 100 punches a round but floyd still landed more and landed cleaner. Not to mention, i've noticed pacquiao doesn't seem to like to throw as much and get as aggressive when he's fighting an opponent that moves more and won't stand right in front of him.

[fistofrage]

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Thanks for the breakdown guys, i have a couple of grand on Pac, i never bet against Floyd before but Im very confident and excited.

I think Pac is more battle tested as Floyd havent faced anyone like Pac before, Pac foot work and speed will cause Floyd problems

Pac fought the former 3rd ranked p4p fighter in Bradley, yes, Bradley is no Mayweather but he's a slick fighter. I think Pac is a smarter fighter now, as he changed fighter style from brawler to boxer, he can do both but he chose to being a boxer now, plus the pressure of the world is on Pac shoulders and I see him training like never before, remember styles make fights, just look how Castillo beat Mayweather (In my opinion he did) Pac wins by being more active.

remember TBE (Ali) even lost so 47-0 doesnt mean anything, You have the best trainer and the best fighter together coming up with a gameplan to beat Floyd.

Not a chance PAC wins this fight IMO. He better come out of the gate strong otherwise it will be a whitewash. I see Floyd winning an easy decision 118-110. This is just a money grab for the most part. Floyd basically just funded Manny's retirement and got rid of all his bad debt. I just don't see Manny as motivated as Floyd. All Manny has to do is show up and he'll get paid. All Floyd cares about is his undefeated record. He calls himself money, but he values that unblemished record more than anything. Floyd has never taken a fight where he didn't feel he had an overwhelming advantage.

When Manny was in his prime (whether he got there doping or not), Floyd didn't want any part of him because it was too big of a risk. Floyd has him right where he wants him now.

Manny better come out guns blazing throwing 75+ punches a round and keep it up for the whole fight. If he hesitates and worries about Floyds counters and throws less than that especially in the 40 range its going to be a snore fest with Floyd winning every round.

[Law504]

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Not a chance PAC wins this fight IMO. He better come out of the gate strong otherwise it will be a whitewash. I see Floyd winning an easy decision 118-110. This is just a money grab for the most part. Floyd basically just funded Manny's retirement and got rid of all his bad debt. I just don't see Manny as motivated as Floyd. All Manny has to do is show up and he'll get paid. All Floyd cares about is his undefeated record. He calls himself money, but he values that unblemished record more than anything. Floyd has never taken a fight where he didn't feel he had an overwhelming advantage.

When Manny was in his prime (whether he got there doping or not), Floyd didn't want any part of him because it was too big of a risk. Floyd has him right where he wants him now.

Manny better come out guns blazing throwing 75+ punches a round and keep it up for the whole fight. If he hesitates and worries about Floyds counters and throws less than that especially in the 40 range its going to be a snore fest with Floyd winning every round.

remember styles make fights, Pac style is all wrong for Mayweather, why you think Floyd didnt fight Pac when Pac was on top of the boxing world, Floyd havent face anyone like Pac, Im a big Mayweather fan but this fight is all wrong for Floyd. Im very confident Pac will win this fight and I never bet against Floyd.

I was nervous for Pac when he fought ODH and Cotto more than Mayweather, this should be epic.

[JayBee74]

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Floyd has never taken a fight where he didn't feel he had an overwhelming advantage.

My only problem with that is, wasn't Floyd kind of shamed into taking this fight?At the outset of a potential matchup it was the drug testing, and for the last three years it was "Man, Marquez knocked you out". Finally Manny's media onslaught gave Mayweather no other option.

I would be mildly surprised if Floyd loses but the psychological advantage belongs to Pacquiao.

[Law504]

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My only problem with that is, wasn't Floyd kind of shamed into taking this fight?At the outset of a potential matchup it was the drug testing, and for the last three years it was "Man, Marquez knocked you out". Finally Manny's media onslaught gave Mayweather no other option.

I would be mildly surprised if Floyd loses but the psychological advantage belongs to Pacquiao.

yup styles makes fight, like Maidana gave Floyd a run for his money, I think Pac destroys Maidana, Marquez gave Pac problems and Floyd dominated Marquez. Marquez knocked Pac out, Floyd didnt. its going to be a epic fight.