Mayweather Vs. Pacquiao DEAL DONE

[Jukeman]

Mayweather Vs. Pacquiao DEAL DONE

I thought beating Manny would validate his greatness..

Now its can't be validated because of his fighting style?

I personally like his fighting style and I think its very entertaining. I get hype about the bob and weaves as I would a juke from Barry Sanders (hence the name) Its a reason I liked Sweet Pea and loved Roy Jones (who wasn't a decent defensive boxing but had flash)

It takes skill to be able to parry shots like Floyd does, he makes it look so easy. And that shoulder roll? Not to mention the ability to make premier fighters look amateur.


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[SPRINGS03]

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^Actually roy jones in his prime had some great defense, he's one of the only fighters in recent memory i can think of who had a round where he LITERALLY didn't get hit even once.

But yeah i can appreciate most styles of boxing, from brawlers to master technicians like floyd. That's one reason i like boxing, because of the mix of styles everyone brings.

[The15thunter]

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I thought beating Manny would validate his greatness..

Now its can't be validated because of his fighting style?

I personally like his fighting style and I think its very entertaining. I get hype about the bob and weaves as I would a juke from Barry Sanders (hence the name) Its a reason I liked Sweet Pea and loved Roy Jones (who wasn't a decent defensive boxing but had flash)

It takes skill to be able to parry shots like Floyd does, he makes it look so easy. And that shoulder roll? Not to mention the ability to make premier fighters look amateur.


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his greatness isn't in question, anyone who says he isn't great is being petty. i'm saying, subjectively, i don't like his style and for me, it lends itself to me not placing him as favorably in history as he or others may want him to be placed.

[Jukeman]

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his greatness isn't in question, anyone who says he isn't great is being petty. i'm saying, subjectively, i don't like his style and for me, it lends itself to me not placing him as favorably in history as he or others may want him to be placed.

I can respect that, good thing you don't run the boxing HOF.


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[The15thunter]

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I can respect that, good thing you don't run the boxing HOF.


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he's unquestionably a hall of famer. the only thing i'm saying is that if the hall of fame had tiers, i wouldn't have him at the top one.

[JayBee74]

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I thought beating Manny would validate his greatness..

He didn't need this fight to validate his greatness, but if he lost, the press would have jumped on it. One bad fight does not a career make, but Floyd's would have been dissected and dismantled had he lost. Can you imagine that? 38 years old, a 19 year pro with an array of championships, and some were ready to jump on his first loss.

And by the way I'm not a fan of Floyd or Pac.

he's unquestionably a hall of famer. the only thing i'm saying is that if the hall of fame had tiers, i wouldn't have him at the top one.

All depends how many are in that first tier.

No one saw Ali in his prime.

Are you saying that nobody here is old enough to have seen Ali in his prime, or that Ali was so good there's no question he was the best?

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[The15thunter]

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He didn't need this fight to validate his greatness, but if he lost, the press would have jumped on it. One bad fight does not a career make, but Floyd's would have been dissected and dismantled had he lost. Can you imagine that? 38 years old, a 19 year pro with an array of championships, and some were ready to jump on his first loss.

And by the way I'm not a fan of Floyd or Pac.



All depends how many are in that first tier.



Are you saying that nobody here is old enough to have seen Ali in his prime, or that Ali was so good there's no question he was the best?

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no particular order:
sugar ray robinson
muhammad ali
sugar ray leonard
joe frazier
joe louis

the next tiers (sorted however you want): julio cesar chavez, floyd mayweather, roberto duran, willie pep, jack dempsey, jack johnson, henry armstrong, manny pacquiao, george foreman, marvin hagler, thomas hearns, oscar de la hoya, larry holmes, evander holyfield

[Hiro1]

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When did calling someone a casual fan become an insult? As if doing so validates one's argument?

[pietasterp]

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If you say so. Comparing him to boxers of different eras with different skill sets is not something Im really interested in.

Really? I thought that was pretty much the major topic of conversation among boxing fans.

Gotta reiterate, most(not all) of the people saying how horrible this fight was are saying that because they wanted pacquiao to win, if the tables were turned and pacquiao beat mayweather the same way, people would be hyped and saying he's a genius for figuring him out. It's annoying.

I respectfully disagree. I really think people are saying it was a horrible fight mostly because it was a horrible fight (to watch). I think if Mayweather goes out there and blitzes Pac and either KO's/TKO's him or otherwise cuts him to shreds, he gains a ton of fans and people are still talking about the fight (in a positive light). If Mayweather knocked out Pac, I don't think anyone would have said it was a horrible fight just because they don't like Mayweather. I think there are 2 separate points here; people don't like Mayweather and wanted him to lose, and also - unrelated - it was a boring fight.

Example: I hated Hagler back in the day (was always a big Hearns guy, as he was a Detroiter and Kronk guy), but after his bouts w/ Hearns, Duran, Leonard, I really wanted to see him fight more. I can't imagine anyone that wasn't already a fight fan wants to see Mayweather ever again...

I'm not really new around here bro. Been on these forums for many years now. Some may remember me from my FN covers. I tend to stay away from boxing talk on the internet because of the Flomo/Pactard infestation that has taken over boxing message boards and stopped posting here because we havent had a boxing game to talk about in a long time. I love the sport too much to completely stay away from good conversation though. Good to see you fellas are keeping the board and hope for a new game alive.

Yeah, I know you're an old stalwart on OS and boxing forums from back in the day, and I get why you haven't posted more recently, I didn't mean that comment at you specifically (don't remember why I quoted you in that post), I just meant it was good to see some other people posting in the boxing forums in general. I know there are plenty of places I don't bother to post in OS, so if I went in there and started commenting, everyone would think I was new. Even if you like a sport, for some reason there are places I don't post. I think it has to do with whether I talk about that sport IRL enough or not; like NFL/NBA/MLB, doesn't seem much point to me since I have those conversations every day. Boxing, on the other hand...

What a joke boxing has become...and to think that this was billed as the "fight of the century."

Oh no, the casual fans keep on talking!!

When did boxing start becoming a joke, before or after the people poured $400 million into this fight? The odds of this bout being "the fight of the century" was as remote as Pac and Floyd doing a double knockdown like at the end of Rocky 2.

I actually kind of agree that boxing is a joke, but not because of this one fight. There are great bouts no doubt, and the sport still occasionally has the ability to enter the national conversation, but with the way the sport is set up - a handful of promoters and middlemen controlling a defined portion of the fighters and commissions, the illogical number of fights that "can't" be made for political reasons, the PPV model for the biggest events, etc. - it's all just very sordid and corrupt and hard to envision continuing in its current form. There's got to be a better way to run this sport, but I guess the people in charge are making too much money and there's no real impetus for a single unifying body to legitimize the sport that everyone would agree to sign on to. Boxing has always been blessed with just barely enough star power and timing to keep it alive without completely collapsing, and so it just sort of limps along in the shadows, raising its profile up once in a while but only for a brief moment before slinking back into the shadows of obscurity. It seems to be breaking out of the premium cable-only prison its been in forever, but only to a limited extent, and we'll see what happens now that the one fight everyone watched was about as exciting as watching a Tampa Bay Buccaneers game circa 1997...

But yeah i can appreciate most styles of boxing, from brawlers to master technicians like floyd. That's one reason i like boxing, because of the mix of styles everyone brings.

That's always the draw. But it's such a crap-shoot when the whole "styles make fights" axiom turns bad and you get Erislandy Lara vs. Austin Trout....zzzzzzz.....

[JayBee74]

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When did calling someone a casual fan become an insult? As if doing so validates one's argument?

Are you referring to my reply to inkcil?

[BOSsTOwN]

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I knew there would be some comedy in this thread..


People saying Floyd ran and didnt hit him?!?!?


He out landed Manny and on power shots as well... he made Manny look average..

[lhslancers]

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He didn't need this fight to validate his greatness, but if he lost, the press would have jumped on it. One bad fight does not a career make, but Floyd's would have been dissected and dismantled had he lost. Can you imagine that? 38 years old, a 19 year pro with an array of championships, and some were ready to jump on his first loss.

And by the way I'm not a fan of Floyd or Pac.



All depends how many are in that first tier.



Are you saying that nobody here is old enough to have seen Ali in his prime, or that Ali was so good there's no question he was the best?

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I'm sure you remember the forced layoff due to the draft bull****? Those would have been his prime years.

[lhslancers]

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I knew there would be some comedy in this thread..


People saying Floyd ran and didnt hit him?!?!?


He out landed Manny and on power shots as well... he made Manny look average..

The guy lost 3 of his last 6 fights and got his clock cleaned in one of them. Can you say shot?

[JayBee74]

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I'm sure you remember the forced layoff due to the draft bull****? Those would have been his prime years.

Definitely.

[SPRINGS03]

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The guy lost 3 of his last 6 fights and got his clock cleaned in one of them. Can you say shot?

One of those losses deserves an asterisk next to it, i didn't think he looked completely dominant, but he definitely should of won against bradley.