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  • Nkredible
    Rookie
    • Jul 2002
    • 224

    #16
    Re: Online Destroyed Again

    Originally posted by Mossfan8480
    Boxing in Fight Night with the buttons does not make the game less strategic. I have fought plenty of people who used buttons and in no way did it make the game play worse nor better. If someone uses buttons, just use them back. What is the big deal?
    exactly..

    quit being so one dimensional people...you're trying to "force" learning analog punching...learn and master both analog and buttons so you can fight with whatever.....just dont forget not everybody WANTS to use the analog beyond speed....some people dont get a kick out of doing Ryu fireballs to do a hook...lol

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    • Nkredible
      Rookie
      • Jul 2002
      • 224

      #17
      Re: Online Destroyed Again

      Originally posted by Mossfan8480
      Boxing in Fight Night with the buttons does not make the game less strategic. I have fought plenty of people who used buttons and in no way did it make the game play worse nor better. If someone uses buttons, just use them back. What is the big deal?
      exactly..

      quit being so one dimensional people...you're trying to "force" learning analog punching...learn and master both analog and buttons so you can fight with whatever.....just dont forget not everybody WANTS to use the analog beyond speed....some people dont get a kick out of doing Ryu fireballs to do a hook...lol

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      • JayBee74
        Hall Of Fame
        • Jul 2002
        • 22989

        #18
        Re: Online Destroyed Again

        I fought some cheesers who bring some Frankenstein created fighters in. One fight I was Bernard Hopkins and my best punch was a right cross to the kneecap. I don't know what to think about this game-it seems that the haymaker is so powerful that it becomes a game of haymakers.

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        • JayBee74
          Hall Of Fame
          • Jul 2002
          • 22989

          #19
          Re: Online Destroyed Again

          I fought some cheesers who bring some Frankenstein created fighters in. One fight I was Bernard Hopkins and my best punch was a right cross to the kneecap. I don't know what to think about this game-it seems that the haymaker is so powerful that it becomes a game of haymakers.

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          • Ryan97
            Rookie
            • Mar 2003
            • 199

            #20
            Re: Online Destroyed Again

            Alot of you are saying stop being so one demensional and learn the buttons...well it would be nice if the button players could learn the anolog as well.

            Let me clear this up, I have no issue...and I will repeat.. no issue with the people who play with the buttons. The problem I do have though is the balance issue between the 2 systems, one is superior to the other, that is the complaint.

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            • Ryan97
              Rookie
              • Mar 2003
              • 199

              #21
              Re: Online Destroyed Again

              Alot of you are saying stop being so one demensional and learn the buttons...well it would be nice if the button players could learn the anolog as well.

              Let me clear this up, I have no issue...and I will repeat.. no issue with the people who play with the buttons. The problem I do have though is the balance issue between the 2 systems, one is superior to the other, that is the complaint.

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              • Corey
                Rookie
                • Sep 2003
                • 112

                #22
                Re: Online Destroyed Again

                I agree that one system is superior and that system is the buttons, or in FNr2 the button/stick combo. I started both FN games with the analog sticks before switching to the button stick combo. I like to do a lot of jab/straight combos to open up my heavier punches and I find it extremely tedious with the anlog stick and I absolutely cannot stand when I intend to throw a left jab and it somehow decides to throw a right straight.

                The key to a good game is good control. As far as I'm concerned TPC is a gimmick and a rather sorry one at that.

                On the other hand the right stick is perfectly intuitive for blocks and parries. If EA could get past TPC they could improve control greatly by enabling body swaying with the left shift button and the right stick so that you could move when throwing body shots.

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                • Corey
                  Rookie
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 112

                  #23
                  Re: Online Destroyed Again

                  I agree that one system is superior and that system is the buttons, or in FNr2 the button/stick combo. I started both FN games with the analog sticks before switching to the button stick combo. I like to do a lot of jab/straight combos to open up my heavier punches and I find it extremely tedious with the anlog stick and I absolutely cannot stand when I intend to throw a left jab and it somehow decides to throw a right straight.

                  The key to a good game is good control. As far as I'm concerned TPC is a gimmick and a rather sorry one at that.

                  On the other hand the right stick is perfectly intuitive for blocks and parries. If EA could get past TPC they could improve control greatly by enabling body swaying with the left shift button and the right stick so that you could move when throwing body shots.

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                  • Erv
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 2105

                    #24
                    Re: Online Destroyed Again

                    I think it's streching it for to expect people to play with sticks, people are using buttons for the same reason people buy arcade joysticks to play tekken...unlike you they are playing the game to WIN like it or not,this is just a reality of online play that you have to deal with.

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                    • Erv
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 2105

                      #25
                      Re: Online Destroyed Again

                      I think it's streching it for to expect people to play with sticks, people are using buttons for the same reason people buy arcade joysticks to play tekken...unlike you they are playing the game to WIN like it or not,this is just a reality of online play that you have to deal with.

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                      • Mos1ted
                        MVP
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 2267

                        #26
                        Re: Online Destroyed Again

                        Lets put it this way..how many of you button users play with the dpad versus the analog stick as far as character movement. Didn't everyone conform to analog sticks once the N64 and the second PS1 controller came in? Why does XBOX and Nintendo have an analog stick where the dpad usually goes on a controller? Its called evolution. EA sports in trying to revolutionize controlling in boxing games. So I say eliminate button use. Make them conform to the analogs because the rest of the industry is leading that way anyhow. I love the total punch scheme. I admit sometimes I end up throwing a different punch then intended but thats with any game. No one can say they never unintentionall pressed the wrong receiver icon when playing their favorite football game either. Analog gives you more control and I support analog control schemes for boxing games. Think about it this way. Can you throw a right and left handed punch at the same time? I mean you can but what boxer actually does that? What TPC does is simulate that allowing you only to throw one punch at a time per hand just like a real boxer would. Look how much better this game is rated now with the new scheme. Why can't the button users learn to accept this change and use the analog stick. And before you can reply why dont the analog users learn to use the buttons, think of this: Didn't the old knockout king games all have button controls? Didn't the game seem to much like a button mashing contest? Didn't the game let some novice rookie beat a seasoned veteran because he could move his thumbs faster? TOTAL PUNCH CONTROL IS THE FUTURE OF BOXING GAMES. It's the Savior for boxing games. I for one want to see gratification in victory and not because I pressed the x button faster than Joe Schmoe. That is all i have to say for now.
                        According to my old marketing professor, satisfaction is when product performance meets or exceeds consumer expectation.

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                        • Mos1ted
                          MVP
                          • Sep 2002
                          • 2267

                          #27
                          Re: Online Destroyed Again

                          Lets put it this way..how many of you button users play with the dpad versus the analog stick as far as character movement. Didn't everyone conform to analog sticks once the N64 and the second PS1 controller came in? Why does XBOX and Nintendo have an analog stick where the dpad usually goes on a controller? Its called evolution. EA sports in trying to revolutionize controlling in boxing games. So I say eliminate button use. Make them conform to the analogs because the rest of the industry is leading that way anyhow. I love the total punch scheme. I admit sometimes I end up throwing a different punch then intended but thats with any game. No one can say they never unintentionall pressed the wrong receiver icon when playing their favorite football game either. Analog gives you more control and I support analog control schemes for boxing games. Think about it this way. Can you throw a right and left handed punch at the same time? I mean you can but what boxer actually does that? What TPC does is simulate that allowing you only to throw one punch at a time per hand just like a real boxer would. Look how much better this game is rated now with the new scheme. Why can't the button users learn to accept this change and use the analog stick. And before you can reply why dont the analog users learn to use the buttons, think of this: Didn't the old knockout king games all have button controls? Didn't the game seem to much like a button mashing contest? Didn't the game let some novice rookie beat a seasoned veteran because he could move his thumbs faster? TOTAL PUNCH CONTROL IS THE FUTURE OF BOXING GAMES. It's the Savior for boxing games. I for one want to see gratification in victory and not because I pressed the x button faster than Joe Schmoe. That is all i have to say for now.
                          According to my old marketing professor, satisfaction is when product performance meets or exceeds consumer expectation.

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                          • JayBee74
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 22989

                            #28
                            Re: Online Destroyed Again

                            I'm not sure the button/stick controversy is that big a deal considering your most important online weapons are the jab (easily pulled off with the stick) and the haymaker (stick only). The more accurate and easily landed jab is great for scoring points and has even more significance because of the less powerful regular hooks and uppercuts. I've won my last two fights concentrating on scoring with the jab and setting up an occassional haymaker. Despite being out hooked and out uppercutted 114-59, I out jabbed (273-104) and out haymakered(20-0,although my opponent missed 8 haymakers) my opponent enough to win 97-93 on all cards. The fight before that I was out haymakered 90-40 (my opponent threw 228 haymakers) but I ate him up with the jab (over 400 landed) and won every round on 2 of the scorecards. At least for now the buttoned hooks and uppercuts are cleary secondary weapons , especially considering the fact that a botched haymaker hook or uppercut becomes a regular hook or uppercut anyway-you might as well keep your opponent honest with the presence of the more powerful haymaker.

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                            • JayBee74
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 22989

                              #29
                              Re: Online Destroyed Again

                              I'm not sure the button/stick controversy is that big a deal considering your most important online weapons are the jab (easily pulled off with the stick) and the haymaker (stick only). The more accurate and easily landed jab is great for scoring points and has even more significance because of the less powerful regular hooks and uppercuts. I've won my last two fights concentrating on scoring with the jab and setting up an occassional haymaker. Despite being out hooked and out uppercutted 114-59, I out jabbed (273-104) and out haymakered(20-0,although my opponent missed 8 haymakers) my opponent enough to win 97-93 on all cards. The fight before that I was out haymakered 90-40 (my opponent threw 228 haymakers) but I ate him up with the jab (over 400 landed) and won every round on 2 of the scorecards. At least for now the buttoned hooks and uppercuts are cleary secondary weapons , especially considering the fact that a botched haymaker hook or uppercut becomes a regular hook or uppercut anyway-you might as well keep your opponent honest with the presence of the more powerful haymaker.

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                              • Nkredible
                                Rookie
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 224

                                #30
                                Re: Online Destroyed Again

                                Originally posted by Mos1ted
                                Lets put it this way..how many of you button users play with the dpad versus the analog stick as far as character movement. Didn't everyone conform to analog sticks once the N64 and the second PS1 controller came in? Why does XBOX and Nintendo have an analog stick where the dpad usually goes on a controller? Its called evolution. EA sports in trying to revolutionize controlling in boxing games. So I say eliminate button use. Make them conform to the analogs because the rest of the industry is leading that way anyhow. I love the total punch scheme. I admit sometimes I end up throwing a different punch then intended but thats with any game. No one can say they never unintentionall pressed the wrong receiver icon when playing their favorite football game either. Analog gives you more control and I support analog control schemes for boxing games. Think about it this way. Can you throw a right and left handed punch at the same time? I mean you can but what boxer actually does that? What TPC does is simulate that allowing you only to throw one punch at a time per hand just like a real boxer would. Look how much better this game is rated now with the new scheme. Why can't the button users learn to accept this change and use the analog stick. And before you can reply why dont the analog users learn to use the buttons, think of this: Didn't the old knockout king games all have button controls? Didn't the game seem to much like a button mashing contest? Didn't the game let some novice rookie beat a seasoned veteran because he could move his thumbs faster? TOTAL PUNCH CONTROL IS THE FUTURE OF BOXING GAMES. It's the Savior for boxing games. I for one want to see gratification in victory and not because I pressed the x button faster than Joe Schmoe. That is all i have to say for now.
                                im sorry..but changing from a dpad to analog is NOT the same as changing from buttons to analog...NOBODY wants to play in the future with nuttin but analogs and no buttons....please dont use that analogy because its just off...analog IMPROVED effectiveness of moving....giving you more degrees of movement...

                                this game uses buttons...and its NOT a button masher...so u can't say that either...

                                stop trying to force the "evolution" of analog punching...you're closeminded and everyone does not think like you...

                                how would you feel if they "revolutionized" fight night by making it a permanent birds eye view of the ring saying "u can now see the whole ring"....u think everyone should be forced to use that? Analog punching is and should always be an option...not forced.
                                Last edited by Nkredible; 03-04-2005, 08:15 PM.

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