Martial mind posts combos that abuse hit stun

[ZombieRommel]

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What the HELL is this thread?

I've played Martial a TON of times on both UFC1 and UFC2 and he is one of few top players who is totally legit and not cheesy at all.

You're whining here about his offensive setups, but that's not really what you worry about when you play Martial... his DEFENSE is on another level. At one point he had the highest strike defense % in the top 100 players. Every match with him is a chess match because you are struggling to find the tiniest openings to do damage and steal the round. Martial doesn't really bullrush anyone with combos, and if he's doing that to you, it's because you're bad and he wants to end the fight quickly.

As for hit stun, yes it's in the game. Yes you should use it to your advantage whenever possible. If you want to point the finger at striking combos that should be changed, the quote unquote "magic combo" (jab, cross, leg kick, unblockable head kick) is what should be changed. Martial's setups aren't 100%

I have to laugh at Kinetic "Ip Man" NRG pointing the finger at Martial as well.

This is what a typical Kinetic fight looks like:

[Bonezy]

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Block then. Doesn't work if you block.

[Boiler569]

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Ip Man lol I may have to steal that one

[NextupNico]

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What the HELL is this thread?

I've played Martial a TON of times on both UFC1 and UFC2 and he is one of few top players who is totally legit and not cheesy at all.

You're whining here about his offensive setups, but that's not really what you worry about when you play Martial... his DEFENSE is on another level. At one point he had the highest strike defense % in the top 100 players. Every match with him is a chess match because you are struggling to find the tiniest openings to do damage and steal the round. Martial doesn't really bullrush anyone with combos, and if he's doing that to you, it's because you're bad and he wants to end the fight quickly.

As for hit stun, yes it's in the game. Yes you should use it to your advantage whenever possible. If you want to point the finger at striking combos that should be changed, the quote unquote "magic combo" (jab, cross, leg kick, unblockable head kick) is what should be changed. Martial's setups aren't 100%

I have to laugh at Kinetic "Ip Man" NRG pointing the finger at Martial as well.

This is what a typical Kinetic fight looks like:

Your three body punch into rear low kick isn't much better so calm down bud.
And interesting side note the jab(has to land to confirm), straight(hit stun), inside low(major stun), rear high(Finish) is a typical setup taught in just about every muay thai class all over the world. But rear body kick (hit Stun), rear straight (Hit Stun), lead uppercut( major stun) isn't maybe at Rufus Sport has that some unorthodox Pettis ish.

[Dave_S]

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His play style is better than most top players I've seen, in fact he's the reason I finally decided to buy the game in the first place. The other “top players” made the game look like an unrealistic crappy spam fest hence why I avoided UFC 1 entirely.




You're clearly bias against the guy for whatever reason. I'm subd to him and see him fight sim all the time.

Watch his fight with gamingpractioner, its a standing chess match and a perfect example of him playing sim:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oJmEmfGGs0

Besides the unrealistic fighting is no ones fault except for the developers. If they properly rewarded realistic striking, we'd be seeing good players strike realistically more often.

Not biased against him at all. If I played him i would be he would smash me with or without those combos.

I have zero ill will towards him, have absolutely nothing against him personally.

I do hate the top ten combo videos, i just think it's goofy.

Am I not entitled not to like something.

[Haz____]

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I have to laugh at Kinetic "Ip Man" NRG pointing the finger at Martial as well.

This is what a typical Kinetic fight looks like:

Hahaha. This is hilarious.

[Dave_S]

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Can't believe Kinetic never fought me (EA UFC 1) ��

I've been on mic with kenetic and seems like a good enough dude to me.

[OneDrop]

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yes if at any time you do something thats shady you are cheating just becaus its nots as bad as the other guys cheats or i dont do it all the time only when you think its ok is like say i only rob banks when i am broke so am i a "thief"

cheating/ abuseing a game system is wrong and even if you only do it one time you are still a cheat now and forever

The hit stuns were put in for a reason. If you can't block them that's on you. I get the hate on the leg kick into head kick because it's very hard to block and sometimes even impossible to block therefore I don't use it. But calling me a cheat because some of you can't recognize patterns and only hold high block is outrageous. Martial Mind isn't good just because of his combo's, it's because he knows when to pick his shots and not take any damage in return.

[SUGATA]

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He's not teaching people how to strike. He's teaching certain order of pressing buttons that leaves opponent unable to do anything while the next particular button input is pressed.

Of course their should be hit stuns, but you should not be able to take advantage of them 100 times out of 100by using inputs some gamechanger put on YouTube.

MTS's combo video is not an exploit because those are just some examples of WRONG striking mechanics in the game.

You dont need to learn his combos - you need to understand current Striking mechanics > then you can create your own Combos.

How to cause Full Body Hit Reactions (FBHR) in EA UFC 2 consistently (aka script):

1 step - Know strike's damage:

http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/10203031.page

2 step - Full body hit reaction ("Hit stun") launches when opponent is getting 4 dmg.
as you see above nearly no strikes that cause 4 dmg (max = 3.5)
So, you need to increase damage by 2 ways:
1 way - land this strike in Counter window (in 3 sec after Parry, Sway, Dodge, Whiff)
2 way - land this strike at the end of the Combo, more strike in combo before this strike = more DMG multiplier bonus
So, for Strong strike like Backfist you need only one Jab to cause FBHR. For Hook you need previously land 2-3 Jabs.

Combo rules:
- switch L-R sides for the same strike type (punch , kick)
- never perform the same side and type strike twice. exception: Jab, Jab.
- max Combo length = 5 strikes
- Combo resets by block, whiff.

3 step - Go to Practice and test your Combo setups for this ending powerful strike:
- after successful side step (opponent whiffed, you get CW) you dont need a setup strike, you immediately launch your powerful strike for ex Elbow to deal FBHR even w/o combo.

BUT

Number 1, THE MAIN PROBLEM OF THE GAME NOW - is that ALL other strikes that landed with damage less than 4 will NEVER CAUSE ANY Hit stun at all. This is unrealistic, this cause random mashing, this ruins striking stand up in this game.

Number 2 problem - is that FBHR does not give you enough advantage: yes, it causes hit stun to the opponent and interrupt his strike/series BUT he still can activate his BLOCK IMMEDIATELY, so FBHR does not guaranteed for you a follow up clear strike as a punish.
So, in EA UFC 2 we dont have tools to get striking advantaage and then to use it to deal massive damage to the opponent.

Number 3 problem - is that Strikes sometimes are not recognized by the system:

Bisping perform 4 clear punches as a Combo, but then Rory crushes his follow up cumulative Kick because 4th left Body punch clearly landed but dont deal any damage (not recognized), so was counting as a whiff and Rory's Body kick caused FBHR in CW (which was not mention to be). From 2:32, turn Speed 0.5:

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[Dave_S]

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I refuse to learn his striking combos, I would love to learn more about striking mechanics and striking in general, even from him.

The problem is, as soon as I hear hit stun I roll my eyes and don't pay attention. Taking advantage of hit stun is not for me.

I like well timed single shots that cause health events, with exemption of spinning head kick.

Because your post was so informative Suga you get two prizes

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[Supreme_Bananas]

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I like well timed single shots that cause health events

Oh boy, so do I. Sadly, the game does not work like that. The only way you can really get them is either by sheer luck, or by parry, which is stupid in itself. It's because of this that slow but powerful plodders are near useless in this game. Even with a 100 power and lvl 5 Heavy Hands people can eat Mark Hunt's shot like candy

[Dave_S]

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I've gotten a few with single elbows, most likely after a parry though, and it is usually modified elbow, like spinning one or something.

Really wish it was more possible. Sometimes i play and refuse to clinch or ground and pound. It can be pretty freaking difficult to get clean ko.

I play quick match and not ultimate team or anything

[Supreme_Bananas]

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I've gotten a few with single elbows, most likely after a parry though, and it is usually modified elbow, like spinning one or something.

Really wish it was more possible. Sometimes i play and refuse to clinch or ground and pound. It can be pretty freaking difficult to get clean ko.

I play quick match and not ultimate team or anything

It's literally the only way I get rocked. A jab of mine gets parried and I eat a free reverse or spinning elbow to the face. I hate parries so much

[GitPoopedOn6279]

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Not biased against him at all. If I played him i would be he would smash me with or without those combos.

I have zero ill will towards him, have absolutely nothing against him personally.

I do hate the top ten combo videos, i just think it's goofy.

Am I not entitled not to like something.

Obviously everybody is entitled to their opinion. The main reason you're getting backlash is not because you do not like the videos MartialMind posts.
People are giving you their opinion about how they feel about your initial post.
Saying that somebody is posting videos on how to cheat or that they're giving people "cheat codes" is not an opinion. That is an accusation. I would also assume that you're receiving backlash because a lot of the community may have respect for him as a gamer. He may be a "game changer" but he does not divulge information that the developers have not authorized him to give and the game changers are not part of the EA team. They're there specifically for one reason. They are fans of the game and sport that have been a very vocal part of the community and EA wants to gain as much information from the fans as possible to make a great game.
The ideas that they give to EA are not instantly implemented. They're considered and ultimately EA takes them into consideration and decided what ideas are useful and which ideas they are not able to use all together.
I personally like the videos he posts and will watch them from time to time but by no means use them to "cheat". I use them as a fighter training for a fight uses tips from their coach. If I like the idea and am able to utilize it to improve my game, I will practice it. For the most part, like most people I'm sure, I still play how I want to play but just look for more in depth techniques from videos like the ones he and others post.

[Dave_S]

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If I'm getting backlash is certainly over my head, or don't care enough to think about it. I am not trying to convince anything to anybody.

Once again, I hate his 10 combo video. If you love it that's awesome. I'm interested in hearing why people like it.

The very moment I posted this thread i knew some people wouldn't like it. Good for them, they are more than welcome to call my ideas dumb or agree with me.

Discussions where everyone has same opinion is boring.