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  • Dave_S
    Dave
    • Apr 2016
    • 7835

    #46
    Re: A list of all Grapple Momentum Scenarios in EA UFC 2

    For simplicity I just refer to them how they are categorized in wrestling sweeps/reversals and bjj sweeps and reversals.

    As far any video I make i refer to them how they are in game, or how GPD lists them.

    From the sound of it it doesn't sound like you stopping opponents transition from side control to mount and end up in submissive half guard is a reversal or anything since your still in submissive bottom position.. Since the game refers to that as a reversal I think calling it anything else might cause confusion. If that is a reversal my bad, but I have it it clear I'm pretty ignorant in that stuff.

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    • Ksearyback
      Pro
      • Jun 2016
      • 639

      #47
      Re: A list of all Grapple Momentum Scenarios in EA UFC 2

      Originally posted by Dave_S
      For simplicity I just refer to them how they are categorized in wrestling sweeps/reversals and bjj sweeps and reversals.

      As far any video I make i refer to them how they are in game, or how GPD lists them.

      From the sound of it it doesn't sound like you stopping opponents transition from side control to mount and end up in submissive half guard is a reversal or anything since your still in submissive bottom position.. Since the game refers to that as a reversal I think calling it anything else might cause confusion. If that is a reversal my bad, but I have it it clear I'm pretty ignorant in that stuff.
      Yep, not a big deal at all. Your scenario is a good example of something that isn't really named. I just get confused when sweep is interchanged with reversal as I inherently begin thinking of the wrong positions. No big deal at all. Maybe next year that gets cleaned up by developers in the moveset menu

      To answer the question, it's just a transition, no points awarded. However, the bottom player just avoided giving up mount (4 points), but now risks giving up pass points and potentially mount points (compound scoring for pass and mount). Since game doesn't have one of the most fundamental grappling positions (knee on belly), there isn't that risk from side control. (This detail is only directed toward my wondering if jiu jitsu scoring was actually used in scoring ground fighting.)

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      • Dave_S
        Dave
        • Apr 2016
        • 7835

        #48
        Re: A list of all Grapple Momentum Scenarios in EA UFC 2

        It could be, but I don't think unified mma rules are scored like that in real life.

        In UFC fighters are judged on unified mma rules.

        Judges shall evaluate mixed martial arts techniques, such as effective striking, effective grappling, control of the ring/fighting area, effective aggressiveness and defense.

        Evaluations shall be made in the order in which the techniques appear in (c) above, giving the most weight in scoring to effective striking, effective grappling, control of the fighting area and effective aggressiveness and defense.


        Effective grappling is defined as

        Effective grappling is judged by considering the amount of successful executions of a legal takedown and reversals. Examples of factors to consider are take downs from standing position to mount position, passing the guard to mount position, and bottom position fighters using an active threatening guard.


        I certainly wouldn't expect the judges I've seen be able to break down specific points in grappling, sometimes I swear they can't even tell the difference between red and blue corner


        Figured I'd just post what the unified rules are. As far as how it's scored in the game, that's obviously above my noggin.

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        • Ksearyback
          Pro
          • Jun 2016
          • 639

          #49
          Re: A list of all Grapple Momentum Scenarios in EA UFC 2

          Originally posted by Dave_S
          It could be, but I don't think unified mma rules are scored like that in real life.

          In UFC fighters are judged on unified mma rules.

          Judges shall evaluate mixed martial arts techniques, such as effective striking, effective grappling, control of the ring/fighting area, effective aggressiveness and defense.

          Evaluations shall be made in the order in which the techniques appear in (c) above, giving the most weight in scoring to effective striking, effective grappling, control of the fighting area and effective aggressiveness and defense.


          Effective grappling is defined as

          Effective grappling is judged by considering the amount of successful executions of a legal takedown and reversals. Examples of factors to consider are take downs from standing position to mount position, passing the guard to mount position, and bottom position fighters using an active threatening guard.


          I certainly wouldn't expect the judges I've seen be able to break down specific points in grappling, sometimes I swear they can't even tell the difference between red and blue corner


          Figured I'd just post what the unified rules are. As far as how it's scored in the game, that's obviously above my noggin.
          Yeah, what they should do, and how it's done may well be very different. Especially when you see scorecards like 50-45, 50-45, and 45-50. Plus, one judge is the 'grappling judge' so that wouldn't be surprising if they just simplified it to jiu jitsu scoring. But who knows, all a guess

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          • GameplayDevUFC
            Former EA Sports UFC Gameplay Developer
            • Jun 2014
            • 2830

            #50
            Re: A list of all Grapple Momentum Scenarios in EA UFC 2

            Originally posted by Ksearyback
            Yep, not a big deal at all. Your scenario is a good example of something that isn't really named. I just get confused when sweep is interchanged with reversal as I inherently begin thinking of the wrong positions. No big deal at all. Maybe next year that gets cleaned up by developers in the moveset menu

            To answer the question, it's just a transition, no points awarded. However, the bottom player just avoided giving up mount (4 points), but now risks giving up pass points and potentially mount points (compound scoring for pass and mount). Since game doesn't have one of the most fundamental grappling positions (knee on belly), there isn't that risk from side control. (This detail is only directed toward my wondering if jiu jitsu scoring was actually used in scoring ground fighting.)
            I started using the term "arm trap" during development for any of the grapple strike counters because saying grapple strike counter over and over was tedious, and half the time people didn't know what I meant and I'd have to explain it.

            Terminology sucks, so I just co-opted the term reversal for a game mechanic.

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            • Ksearyback
              Pro
              • Jun 2016
              • 639

              #51
              Re: A list of all Grapple Momentum Scenarios in EA UFC 2

              Originally posted by GameplayDevUFC
              I started using the term "arm trap" during development for any of the grapple strike counters because saying grapple strike counter over and over was tedious, and half the time people didn't know what I meant and I'd have to explain it.

              Terminology sucks, so I just co-opted the term reversal for a game mechanic.
              Makes sense. I get that I was being really picky. Just got confused a few times when I'd read about a 'sweep' and finally realize they meant reversal etc. Not that big a deal.

              I think it could use correct terminology once movesets are fully built out though. I'm guessing I'm in a really small minority who even knows the difference though

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              • trainbyday1
                Banned
                • May 2016
                • 151

                #52
                Re: A list of all Grapple Momentum Scenarios in EA UFC 2

                Has anyone managed to make a video with some or all of the momentum scenarios?

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                • fabianofv
                  Just started!
                  • Jul 2016
                  • 2

                  #53
                  Re: A list of all Grapple Momentum Scenarios in EA UFC 2

                  Guys, what means SUB and DOM?

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                  • Generative James
                    VideoGame PseudoScientist
                    • Jun 2016
                    • 463

                    #54
                    Re: A list of all Grapple Momentum Scenarios in EA UFC 2

                    Originally posted by fabianofv
                    Guys, what means SUB and DOM?
                    Sub = Submissive
                    Dom = Dominant

                    Basically whose top or bottom. It would probably be easier and clearer to just call it top and bottom, but.... Oh, well.
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                    • Haz____
                      Omaewa mou shindeiru
                      • Apr 2016
                      • 4023

                      #55
                      Re: A list of all Grapple Momentum Scenarios in EA UFC 2

                      Originally posted by fabianofv
                      Guys, what means SUB and DOM?
                      PSN: Lord__Hazanko

                      Just an average player, with a passion for Martial Arts & Combat Sports

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                      • Haz____
                        Omaewa mou shindeiru
                        • Apr 2016
                        • 4023

                        #56
                        Re: A list of all Grapple Momentum Scenarios in EA UFC 2

                        Originally posted by Bigg Cee
                        Mods please ban this person now. This is just to nasty for this website. GROSS!!!
                        Or,

                        How about we ban the guy with a constant rotation of slutty chicks as his avatar? GROSS!!!

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                        Last edited by Haz____; 08-01-2016, 07:00 PM.
                        PSN: Lord__Hazanko

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                        • Bigg Cee
                          MVP
                          • Apr 2016
                          • 4676

                          #57
                          Re: A list of all Grapple Momentum Scenarios in EA UFC 2

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                          • trainbyday1
                            Banned
                            • May 2016
                            • 151

                            #58
                            Re: A list of all Grapple Momentum Scenarios in EA UFC 2

                            Originally posted by Ksearyback
                            Yeah, what they should do, and how it's done may well be very different. Especially when you see scorecards like 50-45, 50-45, and 45-50. Plus, one judge is the 'grappling judge' so that wouldn't be surprising if they just simplified it to jiu jitsu scoring. But who knows, all a guess
                            Dave my friend the UFC's website does not contain the updated unified rules. Many changes have been made to the unified rules which are not shown on the UFC's website. The most basic change is striking and grappling are now scored equally even though the UFC's website says striking is scored higher than grappling.

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                            • Dave_S
                              Dave
                              • Apr 2016
                              • 7835

                              #59
                              Re: A list of all Grapple Momentum Scenarios in EA UFC 2

                              A lot of these are very intuitive once you see what's happening. I get them all the time online just by transitions in direction of momentum.

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                              • Dave_S
                                Dave
                                • Apr 2016
                                • 7835

                                #60
                                Re: A list of all Grapple Momentum Scenarios in EA UFC 2

                                these are freaking awesome BTW, thanks gpd

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