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  • Haz____
    Omaewa mou shindeiru
    • Apr 2016
    • 4023

    #1

    Strikes Per Minute: Stamina in UFC 3.

    The stamina in this game is insanely unrealistic. I'm seeing people go completely crazy in round 1, just chasing me down down non stop, throwing a never ending stream of strikes. I've seen countless fights where in the first round alone, people are throwing 170+ strikes, and starting round 2 with near full stamina still. Now i'm sure i'm gonna get a handful of people jumping down my throat for saying that, but it's true, and hear me out.

    Now first off, can that type of striking be dealt with? Sure. of course. We have talked about in it many of the other threads. Duck a punch and counter. Slip and Counter. Use lunge back to create distance. Etc. But whether it can be dealt with is not the point. The point is, that it shouldn't even be possible in the first place. You shouldn't be able to throw 180 strikes, and still start round 2 just fine.


    http://fightnomics.com/category/blog...striking-pace/

    According to this graph, which tracks all fights in the UFC starting from the very beginning.... The average number of strikes per min IN REAL LIFE, is only around 9 strikes. 9 strikes per minute.. In EA UFC 3, it's more like 30-40 strikes per minute. That's an incredibly huge difference.

    Now i'm totally OK with you being able to throw 180 strikes in a round. Go for it. But there needs to be consequences to putting that kind of work in. If you throw 180 strikes in round 1, you better be starting round 2 with a big ol' chunk out of your stamina. As it stands now, unless you're actively putting in body work ALSO, then the opponent isn't draining much stamina at all, despite the fact they are throwing an entire fights worth of strikes in 1 round. Again tho, this goes back to my original point; Whether it can be dealt with is not the point. The point is, that it shouldn't even be possible in the first place.







    Here's another interesting article which showes how Diaz actually broke the world record for most strikes in a fight when he fought Conor the 2nd time.



    Diaz threw 435 strikes in that fight. That is the world record for strikes thrown in a fight.... Now in EA UFC 3, almost every single 5 round fight completely blows that out of the water. Shoot, almost every 3 round fight in EA UFC 3 blows that out of the water..

    Conor only threw 322 strikes that fight. In 5 rounds he threw 322 strikes and was completely and totally gassed out. Why can Conor throw that many strikes in just 2 rounds in EA UFC 3, and be just fine? That is an issue. The stamina in this game is an issue.


    My suggestion, is that when you throw long enough strings of combinations to drain most, or all of your short term stamina, that needs to have a bigger effect on long term stamina drain. This would reward picking your shots, but put a tax on non stop pressure, while still allowing you to go completely crazy in a round if you really wanted. Which is far more realistic.
    Last edited by Haz____; 12-01-2017, 09:57 PM.
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  • chapmandachamp
    Rookie
    • Jul 2014
    • 379

    #2
    Re: Strikes Per Minute: Stamina in UFC 3.

    I agree. Too many strikes for very little penalty. What’s also crazy is the accel clock With all the strikes. Imagine a normal clock


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    • Haz____
      Omaewa mou shindeiru
      • Apr 2016
      • 4023

      #3
      Re: Strikes Per Minute: Stamina in UFC 3.

      Originally posted by chapmandachamp
      I agree. Too many strikes for very little penalty. What’s also crazy is the accel clock With all the strikes. Imagine a normal clock

      Wow. I actually didn't even think of that.... That makes it even more insane...
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      • Dave_S
        Dave
        • Apr 2016
        • 7835

        #4
        Re: Strikes Per Minute: Stamina in UFC 3.

        I was worried about having to little stamina before the beta, and I'm certainly not concerned about that now.

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        • WarMMA
          MVP
          • Apr 2016
          • 4612

          #5
          Re: Strikes Per Minute: Stamina in UFC 3.

          The stamina system is in a much better place than it was last game, but I agree the long term stamina should have more drain than it does for throwing so many strikes like that.

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          • Serengeti1
            MVP
            • Mar 2016
            • 1720

            #6
            Re: Strikes Per Minute: Stamina in UFC 3.

            Definitely agree. As you've stated, yeah you can hit the body. Yeah, these guys are beatable. But that doesn't make this okay. It's just silly.

            I still think the speed that they come out at is insane too. It's pretty funny how they can just keep it up for what seems like forever. It's like a cartoon.

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            • Dave_S
              Dave
              • Apr 2016
              • 7835

              #7
              Re: Strikes Per Minute: Stamina in UFC 3.

              Originally posted by Serengeti95
              Definitely agree. As you've stated, yeah you can hit the body. Yeah, these guys are beatable. But that doesn't make this okay. It's just silly.

              I still think the speed that they come out at is insane too. It's pretty funny how they can just keep it up for what seems like forever. It's like a cartoon.
              I sometimes have difficulty really seeing what the hands are doing during the hard combos.

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              • mhayden614
                Banned
                • Aug 2017
                • 64

                #8
                Re: Strikes Per Minute: Stamina in UFC 3.

                I tried fighting a normal pace vs the CPU to avoid my stamina depleting fast and it feels like you get penalized double for throwing vs CPU. Even with the accelerated clock and picking my spots, my stamina was depleted at least double compared to the CPU.

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                • Haz____
                  Omaewa mou shindeiru
                  • Apr 2016
                  • 4023

                  #9
                  Re: Strikes Per Minute: Stamina in UFC 3.

                  Originally posted by Dave_S
                  I sometimes have difficulty really seeing what the hands are doing during the hard combos.
                  It's just a blur of fists. I can't tell wtf they're doing half the time either.
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                  • Serengeti1
                    MVP
                    • Mar 2016
                    • 1720

                    #10
                    Re: Strikes Per Minute: Stamina in UFC 3.

                    Originally posted by Dave_S
                    I sometimes have difficulty really seeing what the hands are doing during the hard combos.
                    For sure. I was trying to say this earlier. Everyone keeps saying that you should know the right defensive manoeuvres when watching which combos they're throwing. You can barely tell what mother****ers are throwing half the time in the moment though. Especially when they mix them up a bit. My brain can't process that **** lol.

                    I think speed of punches and stamina should be nerfed. Defense should be buffed. Don't really mind how they choose to do the balancing. Just at least do something. It just doesn't flow like it should right now.
                    Last edited by Serengeti1; 12-01-2017, 11:05 PM.

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                    • Solid_Altair
                      EA Game Changer
                      • Apr 2016
                      • 2043

                      #11
                      Re: Strikes Per Minute: Stamina in UFC 3.

                      Try going 5 rounds with Diakiese.

                      Lemme know if you still think the drain is too little.

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                      • TheGentlemanGhost
                        MVP
                        • Jun 2016
                        • 1321

                        #12
                        Re: Strikes Per Minute: Stamina in UFC 3.

                        Devs REALLY have to find a balance between the combos and stamina, it's ridiculous. If these two things somehow manage to stay in the game on release it's gonna become a game of pressure combos again even with the vulnerability.

                        Currently there's no reason to not throw combos all match and that is not how MMA is. Granted, I've found a few more ways to handle these none stop strikes, but it just makes the game stale and it's going to be the way most players will fight since there's no real penalty. They gotta make stamina significantly slow these guys down and tax off more stamina when combos are over done.

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                        • Dave_S
                          Dave
                          • Apr 2016
                          • 7835

                          #13
                          Re: Strikes Per Minute: Stamina in UFC 3.

                          Originally posted by Solid_Altair
                          Try going 5 rounds with Diakiese.

                          Lemme know if you still think the drain is too little.
                          I forgot about one time I used him and threw kicks like I did in UFC 2. He was dead in round 3. Too bad the 20 spinning jump kicks I threw didn't do much to my opponent, lol. I was most throwing individual big strikes, not much combos.

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                          • godway
                            Banned
                            • Sep 2014
                            • 488

                            #14
                            Re: Strikes Per Minute: Stamina in UFC 3.

                            It depends on who you're playing with. The guys with higher stamina have a very noticeable difference. Plus, I think they also have perks assigned that let them be strong late in fights. Playing Conor and going 5 rounds, you notice a big drain. Especially if you take body shots.

                            Though I think damage in general should be tied to stamina, not just body shots.

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                            • Seymorslash
                              Rookie
                              • Nov 2017
                              • 197

                              #15
                              Re: Strikes Per Minute: Stamina in UFC 3.

                              Diaz is not indicative of the rest of the available roster, there's no way anybody other than him is keeping that pace and has near max stamina the next round. Maybe Furg but that's it.

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