Why are fights not scored round by round in game?

[AeroZeppelin27]

Re: Why are fights not scored round by round in game?

Pressure and volume do seem to be weighted heavily, but they aren't the be all and end all like they were in 2, I won a decision online in the beta where I got outlanded by about 20ish strikes, but they were all 1-2s and I was landing low kicks and body kicks as well as clean counter 2-3s and I got given the fight 29-28 x3.

It does seem quite inconsistent though, and they seem to treat all knockdowns as equal. Like, alert knockdowns should count as knockdowns on the stats IMO and leg kick knockdowns shouldn't be weighted as heavily a body or head knockdown, because you can pretty easily get like 9 leg kick knockdowns and win a round like 10-6 which never, ever happens. Like, even Stephens-Melendez was scored with no more than 10-8s (30-26,30-26,30-25.) I'd be fine if they hardcoded 10-8s as the limit tbh, because I don't know the last time a 10-7 was awarded.

Oddly enough I found the online scoring to be MUCH more consistent than offline, I had a few similar bouts online, but offline I'd lose a match if outstuck solely in the context of volume.

And, I agree with Alert KD's to be honest, I could understand if people didn't as it is still a KD, but, I don't think the judges should judge it the same as the later stage KDs.
And I absolutely agree on leg kicks, I got 11 KD's in a round alternating high-low KD's and I could've coasted the next two rounds just because I'd apparently got a 10-5 (whaaaat?)

I'd like to see them seperate the severity of the KD's to the judges, so, from lowest scored to highest scored it would be (this is debateable and just a rough idea) Alert KD, Leg Kick KD, Fall to guard KD, Body shot KD, Stun/FTF KD (where you can do the GnP).

Something like that, basically. I definitely don't think effective grappling is scored high enough, nor is GnP, you can beat someone within an inch of a KO several times and still lose the round if they scored a KD or something early, even though technically you've returned that damage and then some.

I agree there is less emphasis on volume scoring than in 2, now they seem to only look at Sig strikes, I've lost rounds where I've had 1 less Sig strike, but like, 3 TDs, 2 min too control, a sub attempt and 20 more overall strikes, (I've also won rounds like that, so who knows haha, its just inconsistent.)

[AeroZeppelin27]

Re: Why are fights not scored round by round in game?

Those are good points.

I just realized something though. The judging is unlikely to be round by round because there isn’t an ability to get a draw. If someone got a 10 8 round in there somewhere and it would cause a draw, the computations will always pick someone based on the full fight.


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What happens is, when the game gets a draw. It randomly picks a winner, and you get a split or majority Dec, its actually testable in UFC 2.

If you set up a 3 round fight, lose the first two, then utterly dominate the third for a 10-8.
The game will go to a split or majority Dec that you might win, or might lose..
It should be a draw, but it isn't sadly. Hopefully they come one day.

Rounds are scored by round, things just go a little whacky when the cards add up 28-28 or 48-48.

[AeroZeppelin27]

Re: Why are fights not scored round by round in game?

The fights are scored round by round. The criteria is more damage/impact based and is based on the new unified rules criteria. It wasnt perfect in the beta but its based on effective striking and grappling being the #1 criteria. So if someone gets more KDs, its likely his striking is considered more impactful.

Will it be possible to get 10-8's for appropriately dominant grappling rounds in retail?

You couldn't in the beta, but that's a big element of the new criteria.

[aholbert32]

Re: Why are fights not scored round by round in game?

Will it be possible to get 10-8's for appropriately dominant grappling rounds in retail?



You couldn't in the beta, but that's a big element of the new criteria.

I believe 10-8s are possible.


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[AeroZeppelin27]

Re: Why are fights not scored round by round in game?

I believe 10-8s are possible.


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Ooo, I am keen to test that. I literally tried everything in the beta vs the AI and never got one.

In beta, 4 Khabib Slams, 4:00 Top Control, one early sub attempt and one late one, numerous GnP strikes from postures up, and minimal return offence by the AI was scored 10-9 in the beta.

Next round, Clinch TDs, only let him get up if it went to clinch so I could score another slam, no sub attempts. 3:00 held in side/crucifix getting knee'd and elbowed.

I spent a whole fight ragdolling Barboza like that on low level AI (to minimize return offence) and it was 30-27 across the boards.

[Dave_S]

Re: Why are fights not scored round by round in game?

Ooo, I am keen to test that. I literally tried everything in the beta vs the AI and never got one.

In beta, 4 Khabib Slams, 4:00 Top Control, one early sub attempt and one late one, numerous GnP strikes from postures up, and minimal return offence by the AI was scored 10-9 in the beta.

Next round, Clinch TDs, only let him get up if it went to clinch so I could score another slam, no sub attempts. 3:00 held in side/crucifix getting knee'd and elbowed.

I spent a whole fight ragdolling Barboza like that on low level AI (to minimize return offence) and it was 30-27 across the boards.

Do you have two controllers? When I test stuff like that I just do fight now with two controllers.

[AeroZeppelin27]

Re: Why are fights not scored round by round in game?

Do you have two controllers? When I test stuff like that I just do fight now with two controllers.

I do, but I haven't really done it since UFC 1 as a practice mode. I get bored as Hell sitting there doing nothing to be honest, though it'd an excellent way to get exact results, too, I didn't think about that, cheers.

But I'd assume the result is the same with the lose 2 dominate 1 get a split Dec thing?
[Edit]Did you get any 10-8's from grappling? If you tested it?

[Dave_S]

Re: Why are fights not scored round by round in game?

No, I didn't try it.

[Evil97]

Re: Why are fights not scored round by round in game?

When I get back in town after new years I can test it with two controllers. That is if my Xbox and beta are still on.

[Find_the_Door]

Re: Why are fights not scored round by round in game?

They dont have the end of fight artwork/animations to show a draw. Its low priority because 1)Online comp players hate draws and 2) only .5% of UFC fights end in draws (unlike Soccer).

I think they plan to get around to eventually but it isnt high priority.

As an online comp player I love draws. Always send a message that's usually met with mutual respect. Never had someone complain about a draw cause they're so rare.

[aholbert32]

Re: Why are fights not scored round by round in game?

As an online comp player I love draws. Always send a message that's usually met with mutual respect. Never had someone complain about a draw cause they're so rare.

Anytime its been brought up here or other places, ranked players ask can they turn it off.

[Evil97]

Re: Why are fights not scored round by round in game?

Anytime its been brought up here or other places, ranked players ask can they turn it off.

I've have never seen anybody say that. I have seen multiple people wanting draws, not some random winner.

[Nugget7211]

Re: Why are fights not scored round by round in game?

The only argument against draws that I really understand is that it's a pretty bad use of resources. Like, I play this game a ****load and have only had like 2 fights I felt should be draws, so I totally get the devs feeling it's a waste of time/money when there's other things to be done. But, it'd be cool as hell to get draws in the game.

[Haz____]

Re: Why are fights not scored round by round in game?

Anytime its been brought up here or other places, ranked players ask can they turn it off.

Yeah, i've seen the total opposite. Especially in League play.

No one wants to get an L when rankings and records are on the line, if they didn't actually lose.

It's devastating, and insanely aggravating having a hard fought fight get a totally random winner, and having that decide the outcome.

I've seen some really upset & frustrated players in my league over these random winners.

[TheUFCVeteran]

Re: Why are fights not scored round by round in game?

Yeah, i've seen the total opposite. Especially in League play.

No one wants to get an L when rankings and records are on the line, if they didn't actually lose.

It's devastating, and insanely aggravating having a hard fought fight get a totally random winner, and having that decide the outcome.

I've seen some really upset & frustrated players in my league over these random winners.

Agreed. There's been super close fights which really should be a draw, but instead becomes a dice roll. Draws are so rare anyway that most people wouldn't mind. UD3 had draws and I had my second draw ever a month ago or so. And I've had loads of fights, offline and quite a few online.