GPD's official response to Finish the Fight discussion

[kman192]

Re: GPD's official response to Finish the Fight discussion

Yeah, I feel like I have different issues with the GnP than others though. It's just not very dynamic or satisfying. It needs to be faster but not more powerful in terms of finishing fights. I had to pop in EA MMA again today and they had the speed and finish rate from GnP pretty well, defending the GnP was pretty good too. They didn't have head sways but you could hold top opponents wrist. We needs those elements of GnP and personally, I'd love to know the fight is coming to an end by seeing the heads bounce off the mat lol.

The amount of damage the gnp does is fine it how it looks is what the problem is

[TheGentlemanGhost]

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The amount of damage the gnp does is fine it how it looks is what the problem is

It's been pretty rare that fights end from GnP alone these past few years, follow ups from knock downs, sure. Covington, Cedujo, Borg, Sterling, Khabib, Woodley, Cormier...name any wrestler that utilizes wrestling & GnP and see how many finishes they have from solely GnP at this level. They mostly have sub finishes and decision wins and their GnP finishes have come from knock downs. I don't know where people get this idea that fighters are just finishing fights via GnP anywhere near frequency of UFC 2.

Now, from what I played in the beta, that felt a lot more like real UFC. So I'm not saying we need only some 5% finish rate from GnP, but it definitely needs to take more to strikes to finish if little damage has been done prior. Fighters have generally been using GnP to open up the subs, it's grueling, punishing and patient.

[FCB x Finlay]

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It's been pretty rare that fights end from GnP alone these past few years, follow ups from knock downs, sure. Covington, Cedujo, Borg, Sterling, Khabib, Woodley, Cormier...name any wrestler that utilizes wrestling & GnP and see how many finishes they have from solely GnP at this level. They mostly have sub finishes and decision wins and their GnP finishes have come from knock downs. I don't know where people get this idea that fighters are just finishing fights via GnP anywhere near frequency of UFC 2.

Now, from what I played in the beta, that felt a lot more like real UFC. So I'm not saying we need only some 5% finish rate from GnP, but it definitely needs to take more to strikes to finish if little damage has been done prior. Fighters have generally been using GnP to open up the subs, it's grueling, punishing and patient.

Id say its mainly stirkers, darren till, paul felder, cro cop.

[HypeRNT]

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Pretty lame excuse to be honest, so what you blame this on the ufc and not having resources to add simple ref animations? I mean this has been done years before you already... how hard can copying someone elses work be.... Just a poor excuse that is made to direct the blame onto someone else....

[TheGentlemanGhost]

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Id say its mainly stirkers, darren till, paul felder, cro cop.

Felder's the only one with a finish from GnP that wasn't a follow up. CroCop hasn't exactly fought anyone of UFC caliber lately but I don't recall a recent GnP finish. I saw his last Rizin fight, where he KOed the guy against the ropes, but I am specifically talking UFC and within the past 2 or 3 years. Till has finished after knock downs.

People aren't just getting pounded out to a finish (esp legit KOs) on a regular basis AT ALL in the UFC recently from just GnP. Fighters have found more ways to survive and refs aren't calling fights too early from just GnP w/o it being from a knock down too often either. There's a few finishes from only GnP, but only a few. Rumble vs Bader is one of the few that even come to my head immediately and that was a while ago.

Plus you have very strange positions in EA UFC 2 that had ridiculous power for some reason like when you sprawl and go to the side. You could KO a guy with only 3 of those shots when the fighter is still moderately fresh. Rumble ended the Gus fight this way but that was after he already rocked him as well.

[Dave_S]

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Heavyweights get finished fast from ground and pound frequently.

[kman192]

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It's been pretty rare that fights end from GnP alone these past few years, follow ups from knock downs, sure. Covington, Cedujo, Borg, Sterling, Khabib, Woodley, Cormier...name any wrestler that utilizes wrestling & GnP and see how many finishes they have from solely GnP at this level. They mostly have sub finishes and decision wins and their GnP finishes have come from knock downs. I don't know where people get this idea that fighters are just finishing fights via GnP anywhere near frequency of UFC 2.

Now, from what I played in the beta, that felt a lot more like real UFC. So I'm not saying we need only some 5% finish rate from GnP, but it definitely needs to take more to strikes to finish if little damage has been done prior. Fighters have generally been using GnP to open up the subs, it's grueling, punishing and patient.

What were you saying about fights not ending with gnp

[RetractedMonkey]

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What were you saying about fights not ending with gnp

I don't agree with Ghost (nerfing ground strikes is an unfathomably bad decision), but one fight ending by gnp doesn't disprove anything. Second, that fight was ended with a punch and then follow up gnp, not just gnp alone.

[TheGentlemanGhost]

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Heavyweights get finished fast from ground and pound frequently.

Still, I have to ask...frequently? How many can you name that's happened within say...the Reebok era/since UFC 2? I believe it's a lot less than many would think.

I'm mostly going off events I've seen, but it's hard to find many examples of GnP finishes that wasn't a result of getting hurt from stand up first. Like just now, Stephens finished Choi from ground strikes, but it was after a knock down. All the ground heavy fights tonight ended from sub or decision as usual.

I legit would love to know any stats on GnP finishes (via solely GnP) the past few years. It's not an easy find though, but from the events I've seen these past few, they rarely happen. Even from full mount, you're usually seeing more guys on top tire out if they go crazy on GnP before they call a fight these days. I just decided to get UFC Fight Pass again so maybe I'll do more homework on that lol, but it's been getting less and less frequent across the board from what I've seen in recent years.

edit: Just saw your post kman lol, again, I'm talking about getting taken down without already being hurt. Stephens once again followup after knocking Choi down with a pretty solid shot.

[godway]

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Khabib beats the everloving hell out of people on the ground yet he doesn't KO most of the time. It's really hard to knock someone out from pure GNP. And it looks really stupid in the UFC games when you do.

[Dave_S]

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I immediately thought of browne-mitrione, stipe-overeem, overeem-struve. I think it was the Mitrione fight that Browne used awesome mount strikes.

[TheGentlemanGhost]

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I immediately thought of browne-mitrione, stipe-overeem, overeem-struve. I think it was the Mitrione fight that Browne used awesome mount strikes.

So we got these examples...and maybe the Stipe one was one with the quickest stoppage as well as a clean KO that could look like an EA UFC game...and of course the clean KO was against Overeem. Like I've said before, I'd be happy if gnp stays like the beta. You can still end with gnp, it just takes more time, and I don't mind that.

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[godway]

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I'd have no issue with balancing the game in that respect, HWs power on the ground compared to other weights. HW's being able to KO people on the ground with a good barrage of clean shots, compared to smaller weights. For instance, Mighty Mouse killed Ray Borg on the ground for 5 straight rounds before he slammed him into that armbar. Everyone praised that as Ray Borg being so tough, but the reality is, 125'ers don't really possess the power to KO someone from GNP at this level.

If that type of thing reflected in the gameplay, that would be a decent compromise. Like yeah, you CAN knock people out from GNP in smaller weight classes, but it's going to take a helluva lot of shots and nonstop pressure.

[Flashguard]

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Felder's the only one with a finish from GnP that wasn't a follow up. CroCop hasn't exactly fought anyone of UFC caliber lately but I don't recall a recent GnP finish. I saw his last Rizin fight, where he KOed the guy against the ropes, but I am specifically talking UFC and within the past 2 or 3 years. Till has finished after knock downs.

People aren't just getting pounded out to a finish (esp legit KOs) on a regular basis AT ALL in the UFC recently from just GnP. Fighters have found more ways to survive and refs aren't calling fights too early from just GnP w/o it being from a knock down too often either. There's a few finishes from only GnP, but only a few. Rumble vs Bader is one of the few that even come to my head immediately and that was a while ago.

Plus you have very strange positions in EA UFC 2 that had ridiculous power for some reason like when you sprawl and go to the side. You could KO a guy with only 3 of those shots when the fighter is still moderately fresh. Rumble ended the Gus fight this way but that was after he already rocked him as well.

Pretty sure Till’s debut was finished with GnP hellbows

[TheGentlemanGhost]

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Pretty sure Till’s debut was finished with GnP hellbows

I can't recall, but if so...These finishes are a far and few still. But I don't really have an issue with some clean elbows ending fights in-game.

It's a bit of a double edge sword, when you play better players you can have those long grueling GnP matches, but at the same time, should we be able to KO or even TKO even the worst of players with just 3 clean shots of GnP? There are definitely certain positions that just have way more power than they should.



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