I hope a lesson can be learned here

[Serengeti1]

Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

You're not the only one.

there's more negativity lately on these forums than anything from UFC 2. And UFC 2 had stun lock parries on every strike and strikes that did almost no damage with no vulnerability system and random health events.

I'm honestly shocked.

Don't bother replying as I won't be visiting this thread again.

I know you said don't bother replying but...

It's better than UFC 2 imo. Most people think that. However, there are still quite a lot of problems (most can be fixed this game). I think that there is a lot of criticism and a smaller amount of outright hate/negativity. What tends to happen in that situation is we lump it all together. The majority I think feel it's a better game than UFC 2 but there are many areas that can be improved upon. Then there are a smaller percentage of people on either side that think it's either worse than UFC 2 or it's basically fine like it is.

[aholbert32]

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Who in here is asking for that? That's a narrative you've painted in your own head. People just want improvements, whoever is able to do them. I certainly don't want to see people fired or punished, especially when I believe they're capable of continuing to push this game forward.


The only ongoing comparisons that are being made in this forum are either from EA's own games (UFC 2, FNC) or UFC Undisputed 3. In the case of the latter, it's an MMA game that's highly regarded, so it naturally makes sense to compare the two.


The argument that this forum doesn't speak for the majority of the player base comes up every so often, but it's one that falls on deaf ears for me. The average person who plays this game doesn't care enough to bother getting on forums to say how they feel one way or the other. They're content throwing some punches and kicks, and beating up on their friends. Would you be more receptive to reading comments here if they were all positive? Sorry.

Even though I've been very active in voicing my displeasure with elements of the game, I can understand how it can seem like a bit much right now. When you open up the EA UFC page, it just looks like an never-ending list of people bitching. That's unfortunate and hopefully things will lighten up again soon, but there's nothing wrong with people being honest about how they feel.

The problem I have is that the constant negativity here gives people a false sense of how good the game actually is. Here is the long list of complaints currently on the front page:

- A problem with submissions.
- Body kick catching
- DJ's flying armbar
- What the heck GPD! (Which is actually a positive thread but the title reads like its a bad thing).
- KOs unsatisfying.
- Leg kicks are too good.
- Leg kicks arent good enough.
- Fighters dont retire in career mode.
- Multiple stamina threads.

Now some of these are legitimate. Some of these are complaints from people who havent played the game alot or learned the new controls. Some of them are complaints that effect very few players. Some are just opinions (I personally like the KOs in the game.)

If I was a person who doesnt come to this forum much and just wanted to check in on what the community likes about this game, I would think that this was one of the worst MMA games ever created based off of some of the titles of different threads and the constant negative posts.

Maybe I wrong though? Maybe I'm really enjoying this game but the majority of the community hates/dislikes this game and the forums are accurate.

[Pappy Knuckles]

Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

The problem I have is that the constant negativity here gives people a false sense of how good the game actually is. Here is the long list of complaints currently on the front page:

- A problem with submissions.
- Body kick catching
- DJ's flying armbar
- What the heck GPD! (Which is actually a positive thread but the title reads like its a bad thing).
- KOs unsatisfying.
- Leg kicks are too good.
- Leg kicks arent good enough.
- Fighters dont retire in career mode.
- Multiple stamina threads.

Now some of these are legitimate. Some of these are complaints from people who havent played the game alot or learned the new controls. Some of them are complaints that effect very few players. Some are just opinions (I personally like the KOs in the game.)

If I was a person who doesnt come to this forum much and just wanted to check in on what the community likes about this game, I would think that this was one of the worst MMA games ever created based off of some of the titles of different threads and the constant negative posts.

Maybe I wrong though? Maybe I'm really enjoying this game but the majority of the community hates/dislikes this game and the forums are accurate.

I get what you're saying. I almost wish the sections we're broken down into general information/miscellaneous and then a sub section for complaints just to clean things up. I agree that the forum as it currently looks wouldn't be a great place for a random lurker trying to learn about the game.

[Serengeti1]

Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

The problem I have is that the constant negativity here gives people a false sense of how good the game actually is. Here is the long list of complaints currently on the front page:

- A problem with submissions.
- Body kick catching
- DJ's flying armbar
- What the heck GPD! (Which is actually a positive thread but the title reads like its a bad thing).
- KOs unsatisfying.
- Leg kicks are too good.
- Leg kicks arent good enough.
- Fighters dont retire in career mode.
- Multiple stamina threads.

Now some of these are legitimate. Some of these are complaints from people who havent played the game alot or learned the new controls. Some of them are complaints that effect very few players. Some are just opinions (I personally like the KOs in the game.)

If I was a person who doesnt come to this forum much and just wanted to check in on what the community likes about this game, I would think that this was one of the worst MMA games ever created based off of some of the titles of different threads and the constant negative posts.

Maybe I wrong though? Maybe I'm really enjoying this game but the majority of the community hates/dislikes this game and the forums are accurate.

How many sports game that are released don't get criticised a ton? I wouldn't know as I'm not into sports games. I'd imagine most of them do. I know people have issues with Fifa every year anyway.

I also think that because the devs are listening... people are more likely to critique and ask for certain changes. I certainly wouldn't be on here just moaning about things if there wasn't a chance of the developers seeing it and considering doing something about it. This is also why so many devs don't interact with the people that buy their games though. It's tiring for them. Gotta respect those that do.

[GameplayDevUFC]

Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

The problem I have is that the constant negativity here gives people a false sense of how good the game actually is. Here is the long list of complaints currently on the front page:

- A problem with submissions.
- Body kick catching
- DJ's flying armbar
- What the heck GPD! (Which is actually a positive thread but the title reads like its a bad thing).
- KOs unsatisfying.
- Leg kicks are too good.
- Leg kicks arent good enough.
- Fighters dont retire in career mode.
- Multiple stamina threads.

Now some of these are legitimate. Some of these are complaints from people who havent played the game alot or learned the new controls. Some of them are complaints that effect very few players. Some are just opinions (I personally like the KOs in the game.)

If I was a person who doesnt come to this forum much and just wanted to check in on what the community likes about this game, I would think that this was one of the worst MMA games ever created based off of some of the titles of different threads and the constant negative posts.

Maybe I wrong though? Maybe I'm really enjoying this game but the majority of the community hates/dislikes this game and the forums are accurate.

That's my biggest problem here too (I know I said I wouldn't come back to this thread but I couldn't help myself).

My argument has always been that you want to appease the hard core fans because they will spread positive word of mouth on the game to people who respect their expert opinion on the genre.

So I fight hard to make the changes the hard core community wants (remember the calls to remove parries) and when we finally deliver a quality game (better than any previous in my opinion) that hits many of the the things the hard core community wanted (a community which is small compared to the rest of the broader consumer base), the community bad mouths the game at every opportunity.

So why try and target the hard core again? if they don't actually advocate for the game, but instead turn people away from it.

[GameplayDevUFC]

Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

How many sports game that are released don't get criticised a ton? I wouldn't know as I'm not into sports games. I'd imagine most of them do. I know people have issues with Fifa every year anyway.

I also think that because the devs are listening... people are more likely to critique and ask for certain changes. I certainly wouldn't be on here just moaning about things if there wasn't a chance of the developers seeing it and considering doing something about it. This is also why so many devs don't interact with the people that buy their games though. It's tiring for them. Gotta respect those that do.

It's not the criticism that bothers me.

It's the tone and the rhetoric that would make you think we delivered a virus onto your console.

[Dave_S]

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How is the hard core community supposed to spread the word? (Outside of the players with lots of followers)

Even though there is things I don't like I'm always talking up the game. Around these parts super positive threads don't get much action.

(I still can't believe people aren't talking up women's roster more)

[GameplayDevUFC]

Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

How is the hard core community supposed to spread the word? (Outside of the players with lots of followers)

Even though there is things I don't like I'm always talking up the game. Around these parts super positive threads don't get much action.

(I still can't believe people aren't talking up women's roster more)

I've read a few threads where people claim they told all their friends not to buy the game this year because it's garbage.

And like aholbert said, people wander into the forums, read that and get turned off as well.

[aholbert32]

Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

How many sports game that are released don't get criticised a ton? I wouldn't know as I'm not into sports games. I'd imagine most of them do. I know people have issues with Fifa every year anyway.

I also think that because the devs are listening... people are more likely to critique and ask for certain changes. I certainly wouldn't be on here just moaning about things if there wasn't a chance of the developers seeing it and considering doing something about it. This is also why so many devs don't interact with the people that buy their games though. It's tiring for them. Gotta respect those that do.

I see a greater mix in the Show and NBA 2k forums. Still alot of negativity but you see threads like "The Little Things" that talk about all of the cool things in the game. None of that here. **** none of that in most EA game forums. It is what it is. They are held to a higher standard than most and many of the complaints are valid.

I also wish a little more thought went into the the "Hey GPD, fix ____" posts and threads. Half of them arent things that he's even over. His name on the forums is GAMEPLAYdevUFC but I've seen people yell at him because they havent updated Dustin Poirier's head.

[Serengeti1]

Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

It's not the criticism that bothers me.

It's the tone and the rhetoric that would make you think we delivered a virus onto your console.

Lol. I get that. I feel that's the minority though? Idk. I definitely think there is frustration with a lot of people and that comes through (me included sometimes). But I think this place is better at being reasonable and level headed than any other gaming community I've seen (although I haven't seen too many). Gamers are pretty whiny man. YouTube comments on gaming videos and the PS4 subreddit make me want to leave planet earth sometimes. Difference is they're whining to whine. I think a lot of people here are criticising/whining to make changes.

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You're 100% right that the tone can be worked on though.

[MacGowan]

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That's my biggest problem here too (I know I said I wouldn't come back to this thread but I couldn't help myself

I totally get that, and it's the same problem for any voice online now a days. You run a big twitter or youtube channel and all you'll hear are the big angry voices or trolls. But the rest of us are here too. I've had many great nights with UFC2 with my friends and I genuinly love that game and it produced so many awesome moments in the last 2 years of my life. watching a friend make a cardboard belt for the winner, friends declaring one as "the people's champ" since he could never win the big one but always had everyone at the edge of their seats. You don't see those moments, but they do excist. (No I'm not kissing ***)

If i come of as complaining about UFC3 it's only because I know the devs listening and my complain can actually change the things i want to have changed. I'm fairly confident that come a few months from now this will be game I again will force on my friends.

[aholbert32]

Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

That's my biggest problem here too (I know I said I wouldn't come back to this thread but I couldn't help myself).

My argument has always been that you want to appease the hard core fans because they will spread positive word of mouth on the game to people who respect their expert opinion on the genre.

So I fight hard to make the changes the hard core community wants (remember the calls to remove parries) and when we finally deliver a quality game (better than any previous in my opinion) that hits many of the the things the hard core community wanted (a community which is small compared to the rest of the broader consumer base), the community bad mouths the game at every opportunity.

So why try and target the hard core again? if they don't actually advocate for the game, but instead turn people away from it.

This is a great point. The problem is this community (and hardcore communities in general) is insatiable. I honestly feel like if the dev team said "**** it. We are going to ask the community for a list of 20 must fixes for this game and we are going to fix all 20"....many in the community would be happy.....

......many would complain and say that if the dev team was really doing their job they wouldnt have to fix those 20 issues....

....others will list 20 more that need to be fixed and call them "the real issues with the game".....

....some would complain about how they were fixed.

The bottom line is for some in this community no matter what is done it wont be enough.

[Phillyboi207]

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This is a great point. The problem is this community (and hardcore communities in general) is its insatiable. I honestly feel like if the dev team said "**** it. We are going to ask the community for a list of 20 must fixes for this game and we are going to fix all 20"....many in the community would be happy.....

......many would complain and say that if the dev team was really doing their job they wouldnt have to fix those 20 issues....

....others will list 20 more that need to be fixed and call them "the real issues with the game".....

....some would complain about how they were fixed.

The bottom line is for some in this community no matter what is done it wont be enough.

This I actually disagree with.

I think everyone here believes the previous versions of the game became WAY better after patches and I expect the same with this one.

Another issue (this isnt a shot at you btw as Im guilty myself) is with some members arguing over things in the negative threads which keeps them alive longer.

I personally would always support getting this game based off of the Dev team alone. But we do run into some that quickly forget how much better these games are. Im sure we’ll be singing praises after the next patch.

[Serengeti1]

Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

This is a great point. The problem is this community (and hardcore communities in general) is its insatiable. I honestly feel like if the dev team said "**** it. We are going to ask the community for a list of 20 must fixes for this game and we are going to fix all 20"....many in the community would be happy.....

......many would complain and say that if the dev team was really doing their job they wouldnt have to fix those 20 issues....

....others will list 20 more that need to be fixed and call them "the real issues with the game".....

....some would complain about how they were fixed.

The bottom line is for some in this community no matter what is done it wont be enough.

I honestly think if things go as planned and a bunch of the common complaints get adjusted that the vast majority will be happy. Once everything settles... you'll see way more positive threads.

The thing you also have to bear in mind is that the game hasn't actually changed that much. The stand up gameplay is more or less the only real difference. Career mode has just as little substance as before. Ultimate team is EA doing their thing with the pay to win system. The ground and clinch game is more or less the same. Tournament mode wasn't in UFC 2 but it's not exactly amazing. You could do it yourself and keep track if you wanted to. Not online either.

Like when you look at the game as a whole... It hasn't really changed much besides the stand up and most of the positive things from the stand up have been spoken about.

[chia]

Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

It's been almost two years since UFC2 came out. So with UFC3 people expected to be blown away and it has been underwhelming for a lot of people. The game has a few bright spots but for people who are into sports games and get them every year going through an extra year to get the next UFC game people expected it to be more than it is. I, also, expected it to be more than it is.

I bought the game because I figured it could be patched up and tuned up enough to make it as much of an enjoyable experience as UFC2 but I am starting to think that I might be wrong. I won't even get started on Ultimate Team which in UFC2 was one of the most fun modes I've ever played in a sports game to what it is now.

Usually when I see a ton of negative posts on Muthead I just attribute it to people being whiners and wanting everything for free, but on here a LARGE number of the "negative" posts have been pretty spot on.