Why are there no Classic versions of fighters?

[Solid_Altair]

Re: Why are there no Classic versions of fighters?

Sure. We only have 28 pages of people correcting the stat issues already.

It's totally perfect. /s


These stats are allllll over the place. Lets be real. A lot of them make no sense. You can easily see certain fighters with missplaced stats to either buff them into "A tier" or nerf them into "c tier". The entire "tier" system warps the fighters stats away from realsim and towards some wierd artificial "balance" which really doesnt balance anything.

There is no hope of a full agreement on the stats

How about comparing the satisfaction with the stats of EA UFC 3 with that of other games?

[johnmangala]

Re: Why are there no Classic versions of fighters?

There is no hope of a full agreement on the stats

How about comparing the satisfaction with the stats of EA UFC 3 with that of other games?

In many other games you can edit stats, appearance, moves etc of default fighters.

[Nugget7211]

Re: Why are there no Classic versions of fighters?

His footwork stat should be increased from 85 to 90/95.

No way should Erick Silva have better footwork stats than Woodley.

See, my opinion on it is basically this. Footwork governs lunge distance and speed, right? Lunges are used to be evasive and get off the fence, which Woodley doesn't do. So, on a technical level, his footwork is better than Erick Silva's, but in terms of what it actually does in game, he doesn't need to have good footwork to accurately represent his style and giving him good footwork would make him too evasive, if that makes sense.

[johnmangala]

Re: Why are there no Classic versions of fighters?

See, my opinion on it is basically this. Footwork governs lunge distance and speed, right? Lunges are used to be evasive and get off the fence, which Woodley doesn't do. So, on a technical level, his footwork is better than Erick Silva's, but in terms of what it actually does in game, he doesn't need to have good footwork to accurately represent his style and giving him good footwork would make him too evasive, if that makes sense.

It doesn't make sense.

Erick Silva shouldn't be able to lunge and circle away better than Woodley whose whole game now is based on circling.

[Nugget7211]

Re: Why are there no Classic versions of fighters?

It doesn't make sense.

Erick Silva shouldn't be able to lunge and circle away better than Woodley whose whole game now is based on circling.

My point is that it doesn't affect circling, just the lunges you use to get off the fence. Like, I think movement speed is equal for all fighters (which isn't good), all the footwork stat affects in real mechanical terms is your ability to get off the fence, which is something Woodley is not good at.

[johnmangala]

Re: Why are there no Classic versions of fighters?

My point is that it doesn't affect circling, just the lunges you use to get off the fence. Like, I think movement speed is equal for all fighters (which isn't good), all the footwork stat affects in real mechanical terms is your ability to get off the fence, which is something Woodley is not good at.

He's better than Erick Silva at lunging away, that's for sure.

[Nugget7211]

Re: Why are there no Classic versions of fighters?

He's better than Erick Silva at lunging away, that's for sure.

Is he though? Woodley spends the vast majority of the time with his back to the fence, or pressuring forward, he's very, very rarely in open space where that's even a real option.

To be clear, I don't think a buff to his footwork is a bad idea, I'm just saying that 90-95 is probably a bit extreme for a guy who doesn't do one of the major things that stat governs, in terms of ability to move off the fence. Like, bump him to 88 or so and I think that'd be sweet.

[johnmangala]

Re: Why are there no Classic versions of fighters?

Is he though? Woodley spends the vast majority of the time with his back to the fence, or pressuring forward, he's very, very rarely in open space where that's even a real option.

To be clear, I don't think a buff to his footwork is a bad idea, I'm just saying that 90-95 is probably a bit extreme for a guy who doesn't do one of the major things that stat governs, in terms of ability to move off the fence. Like, bump him to 88 or so and I think that'd be sweet.

Erick Silva does not have better footwork or lunges than Woodley.

In a world where Wonderboy has 99 footwork, and Woodley beat him by circling well, lunging away from the fense when needed and exploding forward.. Woodley shouldn't have less than 90 footwork.

It's a joke you think Erick Silva is better at lunging away from the fense, when Woodley spends most of his time circling behind the two black lines.

[Nugget7211]

Re: Why are there no Classic versions of fighters?

Erick Silva does not have better footwork or lunges than Woodley.

In a world where Wonderboy has 99 footwork, and Woodley beat him by circling well, lunging away from the fense when needed and exploding forward.. Woodley shouldn't have less than 90 footwork.

It's a joke you think Erick Silva is better at lunging away from the fense, when Woodley spends most of his time circling behind the two black lines.

Woodley's back stays along the fence while he circles at a constant speed in that clip, he is not getting off the fence or lunging, which is what I am talking about. If you give Woodley a 90-95 footwork stat, he would become an unduly good evasive fighter, which is not what he is. What Woodley is doing in the clip is impossible in UFC 3, because we cannot square our stance to move laterally along the fence. It's also bad technical footwork as well, because breaking your stance is bad footwork.

That gif does not show anything to me to suggest Woodley deserves a 90-95 footwork stat, which is what you suggested. Giving him a 90-95 footwork stat would allow him to move around fighters and come off the fence in doing so, which is not at all what Woodley does. He circles (not lunges) around the cage and then blitzes in straight lines, neither of which are governed by the footwork stat to the best of my knowledge. I'm done with this though, because I don't think we'll get anywhere.

[Haz____]

Re: Why are there no Classic versions of fighters?

No one said they were perfect. Your comparison to ufc 2 is absolutely wrong. You have absolutely no idea how the stats were created. You are guessing and your guess is wrong.

I mean..GPD literally said the way they were doing it was based on a 3 tier system. Im not just making stuff up. That's confirmed that's how it was done.

Anytime your using a tier system like that you throw reality out the window because now your making stat decisions purely to fit a fighter into their pre selected stat tier..

Ive said it 100 times. Just make real stats and stop with all these auxiliary systems. It doesnt matter what type of system you use to catagorize the fighters, the second any system like that is implemented you will end up with manipulated stats to fit the circle block into the circle hole.

[aholbert32]

Re: Why are there no Classic versions of fighters?

I mean..GPD literally said the way they were doing it was based on a 3 tier system. Im not just making stuff up. That's confirmed that's how it was done.

Anytime your using a tier system like that you throw reality out the window because now your making stat decisions purely to fit a fighter into their pre selected stat tier..

Ive said it 100 times. Just make real stats and stop with all these auxiliary systems. It doesnt matter what type of system you use to catagorize the fighters, the second any system like that is implemented you will end up with manipulated stats to fit the circle block into the circle hole.

No. Gpd didn’t confirm that. He threw that out as a potential idea and you ran with it as if it was a confirmation. You have no idea how the stats were developed.


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[johnmangala]

Re: Why are there no Classic versions of fighters?

Woodley's back stays along the fence while he circles at a constant speed in that clip, he is not getting off the fence or lunging, which is what I am talking about. If you give Woodley a 90-95 footwork stat, he would become an unduly good evasive fighter, which is not what he is. What Woodley is doing in the clip is impossible in UFC 3, because we cannot square our stance to move laterally along the fence. It's also bad technical footwork as well, because breaking your stance is bad footwork.

That gif does not show anything to me to suggest Woodley deserves a 90-95 footwork stat, which is what you suggested. Giving him a 90-95 footwork stat would allow him to move around fighters and come off the fence in doing so, which is not at all what Woodley does. He circles (not lunges) around the cage and then blitzes in straight lines, neither of which are governed by the footwork stat to the best of my knowledge. I'm done with this though, because I don't think we'll get anywhere.

For one if footwork is changed to include movement speed (as it should), he is very well deserving of a high footwork rating for his circling and lunges behind the two black lines.

You haven't provided evidence that Erick Silva should have better footwork stats than Woodley, yet I clearly show you evidence where Woodley does exactly that.

He lunges away from the fense.

In the 50 minutes of fight between Woodley and Wonderboy, it's odd you can't seem to remember all the times Woodley circled or lunged away from Wonderboy.

Here he lunges out and clinches.


Here he is circling from the start against Lawler with his back to the fense.

[Nugget7211]

Re: Why are there no Classic versions of fighters?

For one if footwork is changed to include movement speed (as it should), he is very well deserving of a high footwork rating for his circling and lunges behind the two black lines.

You haven't provided evidence that Erick Silva should have better footwork stats than Woodley, yet I clearly show you evidence where Woodley does exactly that.

He lunges away from the fense.

In the 50 minutes of fight between Woodley and Wonderboy, it's odd you can't seem to remember all the times Woodley circled or lunged away from Wonderboy.

Here he lunges out and clinches.


Here he is circling from the start against Lawler with his back to the fense.

So, now you're arguing that Woodley needs buffs because of theoretical changes to what the stat does that you'd like? Dude, come on.

Again, you haven't shown me anything to suggest Woodley needs improved lunges, because you've shown him circling which the stat doesn't govern and Wonderboy closing the distance and getting clinched (watch their feet, Woodley just ducks in and grabs him), which the footwork stat also doesn't govern.

[Haz____]

Re: Why are there no Classic versions of fighters?

No. Gpd didn’t confirm that. He threw that out as a potential idea and you ran with it as if it was a confirmation. You have no idea how the stats were developed.


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Its literally been brought up in multiple threads by multiple different people.

[johnmangala]

Re: Why are there no Classic versions of fighters?

So, now you're arguing that Woodley needs buffs because of theoretical changes to what the stat does that you'd like? Dude, come on.

Again, you haven't shown me anything to suggest Woodley needs improved lunges, because you've shown him circling which the stat doesn't govern and Wonderboy closing the distance and getting clinched (watch their feet, Woodley just ducks in and grabs him), which the footwork stat also doesn't govern.

What I am saying whether or not movement speed is included in stats, Woodley should get higher footwork stats regardless because he beat Wonderboy who has a 99 footwork rating, circling and lunging away from him.

Lunge: "a sudden forward thrust of the body, typically with an arm outstretched to attack someone or seize something"

Exactly what he did, he also lunges laterally off the fense in few gifs. Ducking along with that doesn't change it's still a lunge.

I showed you him lunging in the Thompson gifs, even in the Lawler gif he does a lunge to the side.

Doesn't even matter because footwork doesn't discriminate between lateral, backward or forward lunges.

You do agree he has explosive forward lunges yeah? Better than Erick Silva for sure.