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  • RetractedMonkey
    MVP
    • Dec 2017
    • 1624

    #16
    Re: What is lag switching?

    Seriously though, you must have trawled through my posting history or something. And for what? This topic is from TEN months ago. At least this brings back evidence that Haz is a previously banned user and should not be here.

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    • BARIK_
      Rookie
      • Apr 2018
      • 118

      #17
      Re: What is lag switching?

      Originally posted by RetractedMonkey
      No one has fought a lag switcher in UFC. They don’t know what they’re talking about.
      Remember ty1012326?


      Originally posted by RetractedMonkey
      Lag switching is mainly done in shooters.
      What shooter specifically please?
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      • BARIK_
        Rookie
        • Apr 2018
        • 118

        #18
        Re: What is lag switching?

        Originally posted by RetractedMonkey
        Seriously though, you must have trawled through my posting history or something. And for what? This topic is from TEN months ago. At least this brings back evidence that Haz is a previously banned user and should not be here.
        No really, the thread went up on the list so in my case I read it all today. Anyway, lag switchers are a known thing from way more than 10 months ago.
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        • RetractedMonkey
          MVP
          • Dec 2017
          • 1624

          #19
          Re: What is lag switching?

          Dude, what are you talking about? I wasn't even replying to you. Obviously. You literally just said you read this topic right now. I know English is not your first language, but surely you understand the concept that not every post is addressed to you, right?

          Your videos show no evidence of cheating at all, let alone lag switching. ty is a cheater, but there was no lagging or cheating going on in those videos. Just you screwing up denials and escapes. Like, in one video you blocked his guillotine attempt and then immediately failed to deny another guillotine attempt. AND in all three submissions YOU screwed up your escape by freaking out and pressing the sticks too early. That's not lag switching. That's just bad gameplay.

          See, this is my problem with calling people cheaters. You get dudes like this who haven't even been cheated calling them lag switchers. On the occasions that they have been cheated, they call it lag switching even when it is another form of cheating. Guys in UFC aren't lag switching. They're using a program on their computer to create lag. This can create lag at a pivotal moment, but is rarely used in such a way. Most cheaters in UFC use a different method to DDoS you. Again, NOT a lag switch. You can't just use "lag switch" as a catch-all for every form of cheating.

          And why do I need to give you a specific shooter? Trying to trace your logical progression is literally breaking my brain.

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          • bmlimo
            MVP
            • Apr 2016
            • 1123

            #20
            Re: What is lag switching?

            Whatever if it’s lag switch or not... is pretty obvious that some dudes control the lag to get advantage... happened against a lot of folks here...

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            • RetractedMonkey
              MVP
              • Dec 2017
              • 1624

              #21
              Re: What is lag switching?

              Originally posted by bmlimo
              Whatever if it’s lag switch or not... is pretty obvious that some dudes control the lag to get advantage... happened against a lot of folks here...
              Absolutely. But the title of this post is "What is lag switching?"

              And lag switching has very specific set of effects conferred. They are different then just manipulating lag via a program. At the very least in UFC. If someone was lag switching, your game would freeze entirely and you would be KOed when the game unfroze. None of these "lag switching" videos show this happening.

              And because it happens to "a lot of folks" does not mean it's reliable information. That's a classic logical fallacy. Guys like BARIK really do think they've been cheated. He posted that video like "AHA I got this guy! He's a cheater!", when in reality it only shows his poor judgement and understanding of gameplay elements.

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              • bmlimo
                MVP
                • Apr 2016
                • 1123

                #22
                Re: What is lag switching?

                Originally posted by RetractedMonkey
                Absolutely. But the title of this post is "What is lag switching?"

                And lag switching has very specific set of effects conferred. They are different then just manipulating lag via a program. At the very least in UFC. If someone was lag switching, your game would freeze entirely and you would be KOed when the game unfroze. None of these "lag switching" videos show this happening.

                And because it happens to "a lot of folks" does not mean it's reliable information. That's a classic logical fallacy. Guys like BARIK really do think they've been cheated. He posted that video like "AHA I got this guy! He's a cheater!", when in reality it only shows his poor judgement and understanding of gameplay elements.
                Yeah u explained the thread... but still people want to know what is the cheat...
                I understand that maybe sometimes people can confuse cheat with lag... but you gotta understand that a video don’t show gaming response, maybe , just maybe, he commands were delayed so it seems like he was doing the wrong move

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                • RomeroXVII
                  MVP
                  • May 2018
                  • 1663

                  #23
                  Re: What is lag switching?

                  Originally posted by RetractedMonkey
                  I don't know this situation and I don't know how he would be purposefully creating lag, but I can tell you with certainty that does not fit the description of lag switching.
                  IDK bout all the lag switching stuff, but generally whenever I see I match up with somebody on ranked and it goes from Green to Red to back to Green I assume they're trying to track my IP. We all know about the worst DDOSer of them all.
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                  • RomeroXVII
                    MVP
                    • May 2018
                    • 1663

                    #24
                    Re: What is lag switching?

                    Originally posted by RetractedMonkey
                    Dude, what are you talking about? I wasn't even replying to you. Obviously. You literally just said you read this topic right now. I know English is not your first language, but surely you understand the concept that not every post is addressed to you, right?

                    Your videos show no evidence of cheating at all, let alone lag switching. ty is a cheater, but there was no lagging or cheating going on in those videos. Just you screwing up denials and escapes. Like, in one video you blocked his guillotine attempt and then immediately failed to deny another guillotine attempt. AND in all three submissions YOU screwed up your escape by freaking out and pressing the sticks too early. That's not lag switching. That's just bad gameplay.

                    See, this is my problem with calling people cheaters. You get dudes like this who haven't even been cheated calling them lag switchers. On the occasions that they have been cheated, they call it lag switching even when it is another form of cheating. Guys in UFC aren't lag switching. They're using a program on their computer to create lag. This can create lag at a pivotal moment, but is rarely used in such a way. Most cheaters in UFC use a different method to DDoS you. Again, NOT a lag switch. You can't just use "lag switch" as a catch-all for every form of cheating.

                    And why do I need to give you a specific shooter? Trying to trace your logical progression is literally breaking my brain.
                    With regards to Ty, Everytime somebody had fought him in Season 1 he would have a TERRIBLE amount of lag and he would be able to strike freely while you were stuck in a delay. You had to think 2 to 3 steps ahead to play AGAINST it, and when he was called out on it, he said it was because of a massive winter storm in Upstate NY. Which I always found hilarious, since I friggin live around the area so I knew from the jump he was bs-ing. Wish you were on PS4 so you would have gone to deal with that nonsense.

                    It wasn't until Season 3-4 that Ty's mysterious 'snowstorm' lag disappeared. Now, he's actually decent!
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                    • RetractedMonkey
                      MVP
                      • Dec 2017
                      • 1624

                      #25
                      Re: What is lag switching?

                      Originally posted by bmlimo
                      Yeah u explained the thread... but still people want to know what is the cheat...
                      I understand that maybe sometimes people can confuse cheat with lag... but you gotta understand that a video don’t show gaming response, maybe , just maybe, he commands were delayed so it seems like he was doing the wrong move
                      Videos 100% show gaming response. It can't show latency, but intentional lagging doesn't regularly cause latency, only stuttering we call lag which videos can easily show. His video did not show any stuttering. There could have been latency, but he was able to stop transition attempts which makes it less likely.

                      Nevertheless, I saw his comment section and in response to others calling him out he exposed exactly why he thought it was cheating.

                      1. He was able to execute transitions with lower stamina.
                      His opponent was using fighters with fantastic ground stats. Not only that, but BARIK starts his transitions in the MIDDLE of his opponent's transitions and then thinks it's cheating when his transition gets plowed over.

                      2. His submissions were too powerful.
                      Nevermind the fact that he was using high sub offense level fighters, BARIK screwed up his own submission escapes by hitting the left stick too early/late several times. We could clearly see there was no lag either. If there was latency, they BOTH would be at the same disadvantage.

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                      • BARIK_
                        Rookie
                        • Apr 2018
                        • 118

                        #26
                        Re: What is lag switching?

                        Originally posted by RetractedMonkey
                        Dude, what are you talking about? I wasn't even replying to you. Obviously. You literally just said you read this topic right now. I know English is not your first language, but surely you understand the concept that not every post is addressed to you, right?

                        Your videos show no evidence of cheating at all, let alone lag switching. ty is a cheater, but there was no lagging or cheating going on in those videos. Just you screwing up denials and escapes. Like, in one video you blocked his guillotine attempt and then immediately failed to deny another guillotine attempt. AND in all three submissions YOU screwed up your escape by freaking out and pressing the sticks too early. That's not lag switching. That's just bad gameplay.

                        See, this is my problem with calling people cheaters. You get dudes like this who haven't even been cheated calling them lag switchers. On the occasions that they have been cheated, they call it lag switching even when it is another form of cheating. Guys in UFC aren't lag switching. They're using a program on their computer to create lag. This can create lag at a pivotal moment, but is rarely used in such a way. Most cheaters in UFC use a different method to DDoS you. Again, NOT a lag switch. You can't just use "lag switch" as a catch-all for every form of cheating.

                        And why do I need to give you a specific shooter? Trying to trace your logical progression is literally breaking my brain.
                        LOL, you are salty af.
                        I know you were not replying to me, relax.

                        My video shows a laggy match that ends up in me losing by sub 3 times. He is a proven cheater, so inform yourseslf before. His "snow storm" disaapeared exactly when the latency bars were implemented, so STFU if you dont know what are you talking about.

                        I ask you the shooter specifically because I play shooters and I know how full of **** your statement is. Shooters are plagued by cheaters using different devices, not lag switching. But feel free to correct me by saying ONE shooter when lag switching is used to cheating.
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                        • BARIK_
                          Rookie
                          • Apr 2018
                          • 118

                          #27
                          Re: What is lag switching?

                          Originally posted by RetractedMonkey
                          Videos 100% show gaming response. It can't show latency, but intentional lagging doesn't regularly cause latency, only stuttering we call lag which videos can easily show. His video did not show any stuttering. There could have been latency, but he was able to stop transition attempts which makes it less likely.

                          Nevertheless, I saw his comment section and in response to others calling him out he exposed exactly why he thought it was cheating.

                          1. He was able to execute transitions with lower stamina.
                          His opponent was using fighters with fantastic ground stats. Not only that, but BARIK starts his transitions in the MIDDLE of his opponent's transitions and then thinks it's cheating when his transition gets plowed over.

                          2. His submissions were too powerful.
                          Nevermind the fact that he was using high sub offense level fighters, BARIK screwed up his own submission escapes by hitting the left stick too early/late several times. We could clearly see there was no lag either. If there was latency, they BOTH would be at the same disadvantage.

                          Look, you cant be that blind lol. Go see the video.
                          When im half way transition to posturing up with Ferguson, it shows suttering. And even being halfway my transition, with a huge stamina advantage, his triangle attempt wins.
                          If you think I was spamming the stick you are wrong, I know how to deffend transitions and subs.
                          With half stamina against full stamina, a triangle is hard to pull off even with Diaz, Ferguson, Werdum, etc. Specially back then when the subs were not buffed yet.

                          Kevin Lee has triangle level 2. 94 sub offense against 95 sub deffense of Ferguson. With half stamina. GTFO.
                          That is just showing stat wise it doesnt add up, unless you think I am just a bad player, which seems to be your go to move.

                          You can think whatever, but if after all the evidence, complaints from all the ranked players, the fact that EA removed his account from the top 100 (LOL), you still think that he was not cheating... OK.
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                          • RetractedMonkey
                            MVP
                            • Dec 2017
                            • 1624

                            #28
                            Re: What is lag switching?

                            Originally posted by BARIK_
                            LOL, you are salty af.
                            I know you were not replying to me, relax.

                            My video shows a laggy match that ends up in me losing by sub 3 times. He is a proven cheater, so inform yourseslf before. His "snow storm" disaapeared exactly when the latency bars were implemented, so STFU if you dont know what are you talking about.

                            I ask you the shooter specifically because I play shooters and I know how full of **** your statement is. Shooters are plagued by cheaters using different devices, not lag switching. But feel free to correct me by saying ONE shooter when lag switching is used to cheating.
                            Yeah, another fallacy there. Just because the guy has cheated before doesn't mean he cheated you. He clearly didn't. You're just very terrible at the game.

                            Metal Gear Online was plagued with lagswitchers. You can find plenty of videos of REAL lagswitching on that game.

                            In shooters they will be in front of you or behind cover and then the game freezes. Next thing you know, the game resyncs and they are behind you or out in the open and you are already headshot. That is what lag switching accomplishes. It's not just creating lag.

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                            • RetractedMonkey
                              MVP
                              • Dec 2017
                              • 1624

                              #29
                              Re: What is lag switching?

                              Originally posted by BARIK_
                              Look, you cant be that blind lol. Go see the video.
                              When im half way transition to posturing up with Ferguson, it shows suttering. And even being halfway my transition, with a huge stamina advantage, his triangle attempt wins.
                              If you think I was spamming the stick you are wrong, I know how to deffend transitions and subs.
                              With half stamina against full stamina, a triangle is hard to pull off even with Diaz, Ferguson, Werdum, etc. Specially back then when the subs were not buffed yet.

                              Kevin Lee has triangle level 2. 94 sub offense against 95 sub deffense of Ferguson. With half stamina. GTFO.
                              That is just showing stat wise it doesnt add up, unless you think I am just a bad player, which seems to be your go to move.

                              You can think whatever, but if after all the evidence, complaints from all the ranked players, the fact that EA removed his account from the top 100 (LOL), you still think that he was not cheating... OK.
                              Again, I said he was a cheater several times in this topic. You, much like most people here, don't read. You just pretend like I said something to suit your narrative.

                              Anyway, it's not arguable that you aren't bad at submission defense. It wasn't caused by lag, it was you hitting the left stick before the indicator came up. Several times. You can clearly see it happen. You hit the left stick and it resets all your gate progress. You did it multiple times.

                              Since we're going by popular opinion fallacy here, there are several other people in your video comments saying the same thing I am.

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                              • BARIK_
                                Rookie
                                • Apr 2018
                                • 118

                                #30
                                Re: What is lag switching?

                                Originally posted by RetractedMonkey
                                Yeah, another fallacy there. Just because the guy has cheated before doesn't mean he cheated you. He clearly didn't. You're just very terrible at the game.

                                Metal Gear Online was plagued with lagswitchers. You can find plenty of videos of REAL lagswitching on that game.

                                In shooters they will be in front of you or behind cover and then the game freezes. Next thing you know, the game resyncs and they are behind you or out in the open and you are already headshot. That is what lag switching accomplishes. It's not just creating lag.
                                LOL ok, Metal Gear, the shooter. Gotcha.
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