What is lag switching?

[RetractedMonkey]

Re: What is lag switching?

LOL ok, Metal Gear, the shooter. Gotcha.

Man, you just love using fallacies. No true Scotsman on a shooter. Never seen that one before.

[BARIK_]

Re: What is lag switching?

Again, I said he was a cheater several times in this topic. You, much like most people here, don't read. You just pretend like I said something to suit your narrative.

Anyway, it's not arguable that you aren't bad at submission defense. It wasn't caused by lag, it was you hitting the left stick before the indicator came up. Several times. You can clearly see it happen. You hit the left stick and it resets all your gate progress. You did it multiple times.

OK, lets assume Im terrible at deffending submissions. Please explain me this:

Sub 1: Jacare starts the arm triangle because Im terrible and Having less than half stamina apparently helps a lot with your sub offense. Okie dokie. Anyway, he is Jacare, and he is very good at arm triangles. Perfect.
But... In the 2nd sub gate, it does not appear his L to advance the sub. Regardless, he advance it because Im bad and he is Jacare.
But... On the 4th gate, it doesnt appear the L necessary for him to complete the submission. Doesnt matter, he is Jacare and everything suddenly is green, submission win, nothing fishy at all about it.

Sub 2: Same exact ****. It goes from 2nd to 3rd gate because magic, and from last gate to the actual finsih again because magic too. A person actually looking would see that the movements of the transitions are not in sync with the moment of the L appearing, but what can you do, people dont see what they dont want.

Sub 3: He tries the guillotine from the Thai Clinch, I deny it. I was able to deny it because I played that guy before and knew that he went for submissions always, without set up, because I cant seem to learn to deffend submissions. Anyway, I deny the 1st attempt because it is slow af, but I wasnt able to deny the 2nd because... magic? RDA the flying guillotine master? Some of that I guess.
But... It goes from 2nd gate to finsih without appearing that L that even the fuking ground tutorial of the game tells you that you need in order to advance and complete the sub!! Crazy!! Looks like some advanced skill.

Since we're going by popular opinion fallacy here, there are several other people in your video comments saying the same thing I am.

Cool story bro, you can go by YT comments if you feel the need. I thought you had your own mind, but ok. You can try and watch the video again instead of looking for comments, but this time pay attention ok? Promise?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEzjuJahYv4

[BARIK_]

Re: What is lag switching?

Man, you just love using fallacies. No true Scotsman on a shooter. Never seen that one before.

Thats ok bro, I just took you too literally.
See, you said shooters, I asked you to tell me just 1 shooter when it is used just to ease my mind, but you refused. Then you came back with a non specific game (Metal Gear has several games), that hardly qualifies as a shooter.
Yeah, my bad.

[RetractedMonkey]

Re: What is lag switching?

OK, lets assume Im terrible at deffending submissions. Please explain me this:

Sub 1: Jacare starts the arm triangle because Im terrible and Having less than half stamina apparently helps a lot with your sub offense. Okie dokie. Anyway, he is Jacare, and he is very good at arm triangles. Perfect.
But... In the 2nd sub gate, it does not appear his L to advance the sub. Regardless, he advance it because Im bad and he is Jacare.
But... On the 4th gate, it doesnt appear the L necessary for him to complete the submission. Doesnt matter, he is Jacare and everything suddenly is green, submission win, nothing fishy at all about it.

Sub 2: Same exact ****. It goes from 2nd to 3rd gate because magic, and from last gate to the actual finsih again because magic too. A person actually looking would see that the movements of the transitions are not in sync with the moment of the L appearing, but what can you do, people dont see what they dont want.

Sub 3: He tries the guillotine from the Thai Clinch, I deny it. I was able to deny it because I played that guy before and knew that he went for submissions always, without set up, because I cant seem to learn to deffend submissions. Anyway, I deny the 1st attempt because it is slow af, but I wasnt able to deny the 2nd because... magic? RDA the flying guillotine master? Some of that I guess.
But... It goes from 2nd gate to finsih without appearing that L that even the fuking ground tutorial of the game tells you that you need in order to advance and complete the sub!! Crazy!! Looks like some advanced skill.



Cool story bro, you can go by YT comments if you feel the need. I thought you had your own mind, but ok. You can try and watch the video again instead of looking for comments, but this time pay attention ok? Promise?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEzjuJahYv4

1. You just explained this yourself. He's Jacare and you're ****ing Michael Bisping and started your transition way after he started his. He could have had no stamina and it still may have went through. That's how late you were.

3. Yes, you denied the first one and you failed to deny the second one because of a skill deficiency.

1, 2, 3. Your observations may hold water if there wasn't a well known glitch with the submissions around the time of your video that caused the submissions to skip gates. It never happened to me, but many people on this board were complaining about this glitch.

Lastly, it's pretty obvious my comments about your Youtube comment section were facetious, but like you said, people see what they want.

I would also like to clarify my statements made way back when this topic was started. You can definitely be lag switched in any game with poor netcode and no servers. I'm simply saying that the majority of people who cry about lag switching probably just got beat down with a little bit of lag in the match and want to complain.

[RetractedMonkey]

Re: What is lag switching?

Thats ok bro, I just took you too literally.
See, you said shooters, I asked you to tell me just 1 shooter when it is used just to ease my mind, but you refused. Then you came back with a non specific game (Metal Gear has several games), that hardly qualifies as a shooter.
Yeah, my bad.

Learn how to ****ing respond in one post so we don't have to go back and forth like this. Jesus. And if you aren't going to do that, at least respond back-to-back right away.

I didn't say Metal Gear. I said Metal Gear ONLINE. Which is three games. All of which have had heavy lag switching. In MGO, you shoot guns as the primary form of gameplay. Therefore it is a shooter by ANY definition of the word. You just got proven wrong and wanted a way out.

[VitoBurrito]

Re: What is lag switching?

Everyday with this nonsense

[BARIK_]

Re: What is lag switching?

1. You just explained this yourself. He's Jacare and you're ****ing Michael Bisping and started your transition way after he started his. He could have had no stamina and it still may have went through. That's how late you were.

3. Yes, you denied the first one and you failed to deny the second one because of a skill deficiency.

1, 2, 3. Your observations may hold water if there wasn't a well known glitch with the submissions around the time of your video that caused the submissions to skip gates. It never happened to me, but many people on this board were complaining about this glitch.

Lastly, it's pretty obvious my comments about your Youtube comment section were facetious, but like you said, people see what they want.

I would also like to clarify my statements made way back when this topic was started. You can definitely be lag switched in any game with poor netcode and no servers. I'm simply saying that the majority of people who cry about lag switching probably just got beat down with a little bit of lag in the match and want to complain.

Well, finally you dont talk like an *******. Is nice being nice, right?

1. You keep saying how late I was, maybe, just maybe, because of the lag?
2. You omit it, I guess even you cant argue that.
3. OK. I deny the slowest sub attempt the 1st time. I know he is going for it a 2nd time. I deny it (dont believe me) and cant stop it because skill. All right. Lots of skill required to stop a transition previously stopped and with stamina disadvantage.
The sub gates problem never happened to me either, just with this guy. Shocking.

Statement clarified, thank you very much. I experienced laggy matches since UFC 1, some slightly annoying, some unplayable. This is the only guy Im 100% sure he made it on purpose. His entire gameplan was being better at LAG than you.
I can tell the difference between little lag and a lot. I just take matches with 4 or 5 bars even if it takes 15 minutes to find an opponent. I hate cheating, but I dont make a video calling one out if Im not 1000% positive.

[RetractedMonkey]

Re: What is lag switching?

2. You omit it, I guess even you cant argue that.

Dude, WHAT are you talking about? lmao I literally labelled the one after that 1, 2, AND 3. Addressing all of them. I omitted a response for just number 2 because it wasn't unique and I encompassed it WITHIN the next response. This is what I'm talking about with you guys not reading.

Then we have VitoBurrito over here contributing absolutely nothing, yet again. Whose whole existence on this board is him being mad that I got him banned before.

[BARIK_]

Re: What is lag switching?

Learn how to ****ing respond in one post so we don't have to go back and forth like this. Jesus. And if you aren't going to do that, at least respond back-to-back right away.

I didn't say Metal Gear. I said Metal Gear ONLINE. Which is three games. All of which have had heavy lag switching. In MGO, you shoot guns as the primary form of gameplay. Therefore it is a shooter by ANY definition of the word. You just got proven wrong and wanted a way out.

Or... I could keep being specific with my replies so you stay on point, because you digress quite a bit. It is kinda funny, but just sometimes.
I said my bad, bro. If you think MGO is a shooter, then it is a shooter. Of course. No more arguments from me in that front.

[BARIK_]

Re: What is lag switching?

Dude, WHAT are you talking about? lmao I literally labelled the one after that 1, 2, AND 3. Addressing all of them. I omitted a response for just number 2 because it wasn't unique and I encompassed it WITHIN the next response. This is what I'm talking about with you guys not reading.

Then we have VitoBurrito over here contributing absolutely nothing, yet again. Whose whole existence on this board is him being mad that I got him banned before.

Ok, lets leave it at that, I hope you find peace in your angry heart.
Im going to watch the fight. I pick Mendes but with no much confidence.

[RetractedMonkey]

Re: What is lag switching?

Or... I could keep being specific with my replies so you stay on point, because you digress quite a bit. It is kinda funny, but just sometimes.
I said my bad, bro. If you think MGO is a shooter, then it is a shooter. Of course. No more arguments from me in that front.

Cite ONE time where I digressed where it wasn't a direct response to something that you said. Don't worry. I'll wait.

[VitoBurrito]

Re: What is lag switching?

Nah, never been banned. I see all these new posts in different threads and I get my hopes up thinking maybe there’s some good tips or new information, nope, it’s retracted monkey childishly bickering with someone different every single day over some irrelevant nonsense. This community can always count on you to be a cancer of negativity

[RetractedMonkey]

Re: What is lag switching?

Nah, never been banned. I see all these new posts in different threads and I get my hopes up thinking maybe there’s some good tips or new information, nope, it’s retracted monkey childishly bickering with someone different every single day over some irrelevant nonsense. This community can always count on you to be a cancer of negativity

Hmmmm, interesting. A cursory glance of the front page has at least 4 topics in which I've provided high level advice. Maybe you should look a little harder. OR, here's a thought for those on the opposite end, stop saying things that provoke me. It takes two to tango and right now, we're dancing.

[oshighwayman]

Re: What is lag switching?

Seriously though, you must have trawled through my posting history or something. And for what? This topic is from TEN months ago. At least this brings back evidence that Haz is a previously banned user and should not be here.

calm down grandpa, i hope u re at least 70years old if u wanna call me son, but i doubt that such a relic would be somewhere in top 100 (i dont even know if that s true or just made up "fact")
anyway i dont have time so i will be brief


1.dont flatter urself, i dont give a xmas cookie about u and ur topics, i was searching for lagswitching topic, because whole lag/latency/lag compensation/lag switching/ QoS, connection tampering is pissing me off


2. i dont give a DuckDynasty about ur classical sense of anything, these days many things are considered "lagswitching" , u seems to have some brain cells so please use them instead of being some purist historian fanatic or what
yes i remember things like guy in COD blackops1 "pausing game" shooting headshots unpausing game


3. i blame corporations, COD modern warfrare 2 had "host advantage" COD MW3 had "host disadvantage" because they started catering to crappy connections and to majority of players who got really bad connections and cheap internet, also p2p is disaster for any hope of fair game but dedicated servers re too expensive for greedy corporations
that goes to how netcode and lag compensation in it is written and i am gonna skip this u should know anyway, because u represent urself as u know everything all the time


4. BARIK- i dont have to watch video and i TRUST this guy Barik i never ever met in my life BECAUSE:


a, i have EXPERIENCE from thousands of UFC2 matches and some UFC3 matches with lag/latency/disconnect issues


b, i have EXPERIENCE when loosing player SUDDENLY starts lagging


c, i have EXPERIENCE when guy with be throwing combos and saying I GOT NO LAG while my fighter will have 1000ms or worse delay making whole game unplayable


d, i have EXPERIENCE where i DRAINED guy s WHOLE STAMINA TO 0 (ZERO OR LOWEST POSSIBLE STAMINA VALUE) while keeping my GA stamina HIGH and trying to SUB him, he still got LIGHTING FAST ESCAPE gates denying GAME MECHANICS, HIS STATS, MY STATS etc.


e, i have EXPERIENCE where my GATES WONT MOVE AT ALL in sub def. and guy didnt even had chance to predict my defense because he didnt see me defending anything, GATEs just wont move


f, i have EXPERIENCE with some guys denying or reversing fakes out of blue, especially when u re not following any predictable pattern, of course case can be made they got some 1ms gaming monitor and other, but i did all possible testing of my connection in UFC2 i even had comcast technician checking my net at home if everything s allright and other stuff should be documented somewhere in this forum because i was doing everything i could to make sure problem is not on my side


g, i have EXPERIENCE with some people chaining somehow fake and transition that u cant deny it even when u know it s coming and u deny at right time in right direction, again i suspect netcode/latency/lag issues


h, XBOX DVR doesnt record lag properly, i was trying to document "choppiness" few times and choppines i remember and experienced was DOWNPLAYED by DVR recording, which captured only SMALL portion of it, this happened also in different game, DVR is not recording lag properly, therefore if u really just want to judge on some clip only u might end up being wrong


5. i think EA UFC is still p2p that means this latency/lag etc issues cant be really solved ever, dedicated servers can help a little, but again corporate greed so..
if somebody is lagging on purpose they should be banned, they re cheating and it s pathetic
i make sure i dont download anything my other devices arent streaming, DL or etc.,wired, ports forwarded etc. so why i have to suffer with poor bad connections especially if done on purpose, like people on COD trying do wifi instead of wired because they heard it might give them a little lag comp. edge or using phone, QoS router settings specifically changing upload/download etc. i spent some time reading 1000pages of topic about this on COD forum back in MW3 days so learnt a lot


this is the biggest problem of the game because what s the point of fighting it s not fair


6. grandpa be nicer to people or u might end up being ignored , because u re so mean and rude that no matter if u re right or wrong it s just too much negative energy to handle


7. please dont write things like "dont write things that provoke me" for ur own sake

[RetractedMonkey]

Re: What is lag switching?

Man. I don't even know what to say to that utter display of insanity. Thanks for coming back literal days later to say absolutely nothing of substance though.