Why don't you like grappling in this game?

[AeroZeppelin27]

Re: Why don't you like grappling in this game?

Things EA UFC Grappling does better:
Independent transitioning.
More reversal and sweep options from guard, as well as most other positions.
Arm traps+subs.

Things UD3 does better:
Crawling, Shrimping.
Ground and pound.
Posturing.
Positional control.
The ability to open and close your guard.
Cage TDs.
Caged seated transitions.
And everything in the clinch.
TD struggle dictating TD effectiveness.

Things neither did well:
Subs.

[AeroZeppelin27]

Re: Why don't you like grappling in this game?

I just wish there was an option to shoot/bullrush while auto getups happen after a KD, and with perfect timing the td denial would be minimal. I think there could be some cool animations. The Brock rush vs Heath herring etc.

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That would be cool, I really wanna be able to stay down off active KDs, I mean, if you drop Maia do you really think he's going to spring back up?

Heck no, not when there is a chance your gonna jump into his guard, just look at round 3 vs Matt Brown.

I can't imagine it'd be too hard to implement, hold RS or LS down before the getup part of the KD plays.

It's not like the opponent is forced to follow you dowb either, they can just back off for a stand up.

[MysticJack541]

Re: Why don't you like grappling in this game?

Martial Minds new video pretty much sums it up, the grappling is stiff and boring in EA UFC 3. UD3 was actually very fun to play when it came to the ground and clinch, even if I was on the losing end.

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[AeroZeppelin27]

Re: Why don't you like grappling in this game?

Martial Minds new video pretty sums it up, the grappling is stiff and boring in EA UFC 3. UD3 was actually very fun to play when it came to the ground and clinch, even if I was on the losing end.

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I'll second that. It felt dangerous, too.
It didn't matter where someone postured up from as they could do massive damage anywhere, you could end fights off your back (via doctor stoppage) and there weren't any real "safe" positions like there are in 3.

[smokeface]

Re: Why don't you like grappling in this game?

EA has their own brand of grappling - no need to adhere to a standard set by an entirely different development team.

The striking in EA UFC has evolved and I expect grappling will do the same. There seems to have been a trade-off as to what got the most attention during this dev cycle and striking was picked as the priority.

Grappling will evolve much the same - especially if the same people are involved - but patience is required by us.

You do realize grappling was the focus for UFC 2 right? They did the grappling first, and in my opinion, did a good job. They improved it substantially from UFC 1. The problem is it still doesn't even come close to UD3. They definitely did some new things that are great. We are talking about simultaneous transitioning and momentum. Those things evolved how we thought about grappling in a video game. They still are not there though. Not even close. If they just take UD3 and copy it exactly, THEN add their unique flavor, that's when we will have something great.

[smokeface]

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Also, I just want to say, THANK GOD MartialMind and the community finally want to focus on grappling. I know we will have to wait until UFC 4 to see if EA can really deliver. It still boggles my mind that after 3 games they still haven't noticed that UD3 grappling is just better. I know MM has brought it up to them. Seeing his latest video gives me so much hope, because one of the most popular and loudest voices in the community understands how good UD3's grappling really was. YES, it had it's faults, but it was still miles ahead of what we have seen from EA. THQ had this base down from UD 1 and evolved on it. EA has had 4 MMA games and still seems to not want to give in to the fact that THQ had it right. Maybe it's pride, or wanting to do something new and different, but I believe they need to give in and accept that UD3's grappling is the way to go.

[smokeface]

Re: Why don't you like grappling in this game?

Martial made a great point in his video. It's also patchable into the current game. Dramatically reduce the stamina for transitions in the current game. Let us scramble hard. Let us go left, right, up, whatever without draining us in one move. Let it be chaotic and we may have something fun with the current system. Have you guys tried this out @GameplayDEV? Is there a serious downside to this?

[AeroZeppelin27]

Re: Why don't you like grappling in this game?

Also, I just want to say, THANK GOD MartialMind and the community finally want to focus on grappling. I know we will have to wait until UFC 4 to see if EA can really deliver. It still boggles my mind that after 3 games they still haven't noticed that UD3 grappling is just better. I know MM has brought it up to them. Seeing his latest video gives me so much hope, because one of the most popular and loudest voices in the community understands how good UD3's grappling really was. YES, it had it's faults, but it was still miles ahead of what we have seen from EA. THQ had this base down from UD 1 and evolved on it. EA has had 4 MMA games and still seems to not want to give in to the fact that THQ had it right. Maybe it's pride, or wanting to do something new and different, but I believe they need to give in and accept that UD3's grappling is the way to go.

UD3 system, functionality wise, isn't better.
And I'm the biggest UD3 fanboy there is.

EA UFC (from 2 onwards) has allowed independent transitions, this is huge, UD never did that, and that's a crucial step towards realistic grappling.

UD3 system asthetically looks better, 100%
And it does most major systems better.
But if we went back to a UD system from the UFC system, it wouldn't be better.

Simply because it would be a return to turn based grappling.

However, keeping the core of the current system from UFC and taking a BOATLOAD of inspiration from UD when it cones to cage work, shrimping, posturing and GnP.

The vest system is a combination of both, not one or the other IMO.

[1212headkick]

Re: Why don't you like grappling in this game?

i dont like how its animated. it lacks thought realism and depth. basically all. the reasons martial said. the denial Windows are too short. you cant pull guard. it lacks alot of subs and positions. the clinch is the same. over under rubberguard have backwards denials

[smokeface]

Re: Why don't you like grappling in this game?

UD3 system, functionality wise, isn't better.
And I'm the biggest UD3 fanboy there is.

EA UFC (from 2 onwards) has allowed independent transitions, this is huge, UD never did that, and that's a crucial step towards realistic grappling.

UD3 system asthetically looks better, 100%
And it does most major systems better.
But if we went back to a UD system from the UFC system, it wouldn't be better.

Simply because it would be a return to turn based grappling.

However, keeping the core of the current system from UFC and taking a BOATLOAD of inspiration from UD when it cones to cage work, shrimping, posturing and GnP.

The vest system is a combination of both, not one or the other IMO.

Look at any of my posts. They have always said, "Copy UD3's grappling and add simultaneous transitions and the momentum system." I never said UD3's grappling was perfect. If you add the simultaneous grappling and momentum to UD3's grappling, we have the greatest grappling in MMA games. Everyone wants to reinvent the wheel here. EA attempted to reinvent the wheel and they came up with great ideas. Those ideas being simultaneous grappling and momentum. Everything else was done correctly by THQ with UD3.

[1212headkick]

Re: Why don't you like grappling in this game?

Look at any of my posts. They have always said, "Copy UD3's grappling and add simultaneous transitions and the momentum system." I never said UD3's grappling was perfect. If you add the simultaneous grappling and momentum to UD3's grappling, we have the greatest grappling in MMA games. Everyone wants to reinvent the wheel here. EA attempted to reinvent the wheel and they came up with great ideas. Those ideas being simultaneous grappling and momentum. Everything else was done correctly by THQ with UD3.

thq had it right. everything about grappling was authentic. it comes down to a pride issue."We're better than those devs. Our system is superb" meanwhile thq INVENTED mma games. like doom did fps thq did mma. they set a very high standard of quality. they gave the golden rules to successful. mma games. these devs have more money and have made half the game. just take what we want and expand on it. and sorry we wont. wait for ufc 4 to be given the game we BEGGED for. it has to all be patched in. it was asked for in ufc 2. they own the rights to ud3. they have the files. it is not hard recode ud3s in

[johnmangala]

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Would be good if we had things like clinch parries to over/under or single collar from UD3 made it back as revamped parries for EA UFC 3 or 4.

UD3 did a lot of great things when in comes to grappling. I love the struggle aspect and you could get instant TDs if timed well too.

[Kneetapsingleleg]

Re: Why don't you like grappling in this game?

Would be good if we had things like clinch parries to over/under or single collar from UD3 made it back as revamped parries for EA UFC 3 or 4.

UD3 did a lot of great things when in comes to grappling. I love the struggle aspect and you could get instant TDs if timed well too.

there was such a good variety too

You could shoot in on the hips to try to take the back, you could choose between double and single against the cage, you could pull guard from almost every clinch position, you could slide for leg locks (lol at the imanari roll in this game) etc.

The other thing that was nice was how many submissions and guards there were. Rubber guard and butterfly guard were mad nice. you could attack leg locks from half guard. Knees from turtle position.

my favorite thing to do in that game was play a judoka using karate as well.

there was so much technique diversity the difference between a judoka and a wrestler was massive. the difference between a judoka and a jiu jitsu fighter were massive. The difference between a karate fighter and a boxer were massive.

that game was just perfection in terms of making every style feel like its own thing.