Give us the ability to block while lunging...

[Counter Punch]

...but make it to where doing so opens up angles for punches to slip through the block, depending on timing, distance and strike thrown.

It would also be nice if lunges would open up angles for punches to slip through block offensivley as well.

For example, someone is standing still holding high block. If I minor lunge to the left and throw a straight before the perform some type of defensive action, my punch should have the potential to slip through, depending on stats and the distance, timing, etc.

This could make the striking more dynamic and I could see it working with the systems already in place. This would give people a risk/reward dyanmic that is more balanced when it comes to counter striking and striking in general.

This game allows players to rely too much on blocking, which is more like boxing than MMA.

And I know that there are “block breaking combos”. I’m not looking for advice on how to deal with people who turtle. I’m making a suggestion to make the game more realistic AND fun.

We need to stop crying for realism without suggesting ways to impliment realism in ways that also make the game more fun.

[johnmangala]

Re: Give us the ability to block while lunging...

If I am not mistaken we can still block and lunge but you cancel your lunge and begin blocking like how it works for head movement now.

But I agree I would like to see full blocking and lunging like how it was before. Same for head movement.

Make strikes harder to land, but to counter balance make strikes that land more damaging or so.

[Counter Punch]

Re: Give us the ability to block while lunging...

If I am not mistaken we can still block and lunge but you cancel your lunge and begin blocking like how it works for head movement now.

But I agree I would like to see full blocking and lunging like how it was before. Same for head movement.

Make strikes harder to land, but to counter balance make strikes that land more damaging or so.

I’d love for strikes to have more pop, but without a power modifier it would be unrealistic because people like the diaz brothers throw alot of pitter-patter strikes.

Even if they implimented my suggestion without touching power, they could add vulnerability scenarios to all this stuff, depending on how much resources they wanted/could devote to it, to make it intuitive/balanced/rewarding.

[johnmangala]

Re: Give us the ability to block while lunging...

I’d love for strikes to have more pop, but without a power modifier it would be unrealistic because people like the diaz brothers throw alot of pitter-patter strikes.

Even if they implimented my suggestion without touching power, they could add vulnerability scenarios to all this stuff, depending on how much resources they wanted/could devote to it, to make it intuitive/balanced/rewarding.

I dont think eating several head kicks without a rock is realistic same thing for overhands etc. Yet one unblocked head kick will rock more often than not. There is little bleed through on block.

I have suggested heavy, medium, and light strikes before. Maybe they get introduced.

Either way if you make defense easier, you have to counter balance with better offense otherwise youd get complaints of running etc.

[Counter Punch]

Re: Give us the ability to block while lunging...

I dont think eating several head kicks without a rock is realistic same thing for overhands etc. Yet one unblocked head kick will rock more often than not. There is little bleed through on block.

I have suggested heavy, medium, and light strikes before. Maybe they get introduced.

Either way if you make defense easier, you have to counter balance with better offense otherwise youd get complaints of running etc.

Yes I have posted many times about the same thing. I completey agree with you. It just inevitably leads to the need for a power modifer.

I was just making it clear that this could be implimented without needing to adjust power and rebalance the entire game.

[johnmangala]

Re: Give us the ability to block while lunging...

Yes I have posted many times about the same thing. I completey agree with you. It just inevitably leads to the need for a power modifer.

I was just making it clear that this could be implimented without needing to adjust power and rebalance the entire game.

I definitely would like to see heavy strike, or even light strikes. The heavy strikes could break block easier as you suggest with the lunges.

I am not saying you would have to rebalance the entire game. Just parts to counter balance whatever changes being made.

Think of it this way, any time a new functionality is implemented they have to make sure it won't be abused or exploited... hence counter balances.

For example, say lunges could break through block on angles. This changes the playstyle so to adjust there would need altered vulnerability (which addresses damage), stamina adjustments etc.

There is nothing wrong with this process if anything it makes the new functionality better, we wouldn't want this new lunge mechanism end up like how head movement was initially.

[Solid_Altair]

Re: Give us the ability to block while lunging...

This was in the game as a bug. It was fixed. Blocking while lunging would be OP.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Give us the ability to block while lunging...

This was in the game as a bug. It was fixed. Blocking while lunging would be OP.

You could block last game and it wasnt OP

Blocking while lunging should cover less distance and take more stamina.

It makes 0 sense to not be able to block and lunge

[Counter Punch]

Re: Give us the ability to block while lunging...

This was in the game as a bug. It was fixed. Blocking while lunging would be OP.

I’m advocating for it to be done differently though.

It would have been interesting to hear your thoughts on my actual post, instead of only responding to the thread title.

It would be super fun for striking to be more about creating and defending angles.

[AeroZeppelin27]

Re: Give us the ability to block while lunging...

It would be super fun for striking to be more about creating and defending angles.

It sure would! Though they'd have to do something about the fighters always auto-centering on eachother too, as that basically eliminates cutting angles and whatnot.

It probably just needs to slow down, it should be action>reaction, not fighter A always centering to where fighter B is moving automatically.

FNC did this, you could use footwork and lunges to cut your opponents footwork off and b-b-BLAST them with a Loma style shot they just don't see coming.

[UFCBlackbelt]

Re: Give us the ability to block while lunging...

It sure would! Though they'd have to do something about the fighters always auto-centering on eachother too, as that basically eliminates cutting angles and whatnot.

It probably just needs to slow down, it should be action>reaction, not fighter A always centering to where fighter B is moving automatically.

FNC did this, you could use footwork and lunges to cut your opponents footwork off and b-b-BLAST them with a Loma style shot they just don't see coming.

Geez i miss angles. Everything feels like a fencing game

[Solid_Altair]

Re: Give us the ability to block while lunging...

This game allows players to rely too much on blocking, which is more like boxing than MMA.

And you want to let people block while lunging.

So, the OP seems to be about being able to block while lunging and about being able to go around the block, by using side lunges. I disagree with the first point. And I have suggested something similar to the second: that side moving strikes have a block breakdown bonus. I don't think the side lunges as they exist now would look good for this purpose.

[Counter Punch]

Re: Give us the ability to block while lunging...

And you want to let people block while lunging.

So, the OP seems to be about being able to block while lunging and about being able to go around the block, by using side lunges. I disagree with the first point. And I have suggested something similar to the second: that side moving strikes have a block breakdown bonus. I don't think the side lunges as they exist now would look good for this purpose.

I want to let people block while lunging because it is inarguably ridiculuous that you can’t.

I understand that it was done to balance out the fact that footwork is pretty ineffective, which requires block being unrealistically strong.

Allowing us to effectively punch around block isn’t a buff to block.

[Solid_Altair]

Re: Give us the ability to block while lunging...

I want to let people block while lunging because it is inarguably ridiculuous that you can’t.

I understand that it was done to balance out the fact that footwork is pretty ineffective, which requires block being unrealistically strong.

Allowing us to effectively punch around block isn’t a buff to block.

Yes. You want a buff and a nerf. I get that.

And I would say it is aguable that you shouldn't be able to block while lunging. You can retreat while lunging and you have the back sprint. The lunge for when you want to commit entirely to a retreat. That animations states it clearly and owuldn't match well with a block.

And who said footwork is ineffective? That doesn't seem to be the case among the high level guys.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Give us the ability to block while lunging...

Yes. You want a buff and a nerf. I get that.

And I would say it is aguable that you shouldn't be able to block while lunging. You can retreat while lunging and you have the back sprint. The lunge for when you want to commit entirely to a retreat. That animations states it clearly and owuldn't match well with a block.

And who said footwork is ineffective? That doesn't seem to be the case among the high level guys.

We’ve already had a thread about that

Even a high level fight between Jigsaw and that t4h guy proved it. Outside fighting is impossible if one guy wants to close distance. There hasnt been anything shown that disproves that. It’s impossible to fight like Stephen Thompson

You should be able to cancel lunges into anything and you should be able to block while lunges. It makes no sense not to. It wasnt that in UFC 2 and y’all didnt even have magnetic striking to hold the aggressors hand when it comes fo distance management.