Why do you even bother making some fighters

[MeowingForVengeance]

Re: Why do you even bother making some fighters

Raising the floor is a solution but it also runs counter to the regular complaint that all fighters fight and feel the same.

My view is some fighters are bad in one area. Some fighters are average all around. Some are great all around. We should be focusing on rating them accurately not viability in my opinion.

You make good points. Different people want different things from the game. I get that.

And to correct something I said earlier, there really is an incentive to use lower-rated fighters in ranked now: moar ranked points! Not that I really care about my rank, but it is something.

Plus: knocking out Woodley with Stun Gun wouldn't be nearly as satisfying if Kim was unrealistically close to Woodley's ratings. Sometimes you gotta just enjoy the game we've got.

[Good Grappler]

Re: Why do you even bother making some fighters

Didn’t read any of the responses, but I can answer OP. The answer is, for friends vs friends matchups. Friendly matches, fun matches, etc. Competitive pvp ranked matches are always going to be dominated by the best fighters.

[SMOKEZERO]

Re: Why do you even bother making some fighters

One of the problems I have with the UFC video game franchise is the lack of history. New comers to the franchise would never know BJ Penn, Hendricks, Barao etc; were all once kings of their divisions. It baffles me that EA has neglected to create legacy or prime versions of past fighters, but they did for Tyson in UFC 2 although his stats were hidden. I can play as the 90 Giants in Madden, but I can’t use a Prime Pettis in UFC 3. I believe every former champ in UFC 3 should have a Legacy version. Even Jones and DJ. Dust off the UFC 1 player models and put some history back into the franchise please!

[AeroZeppelin27]

Re: Why do you even bother making some fighters

My view is some fighters are bad in one area. Some fighters are average all around. Some are great all around. We should be focusing on rating them accurately not viability in my opinion.

This view is the best view in my view.

But seriously, it is, and I.approve and keep up the good work.

[scyth223]

Re: Why do you even bother making some fighters

This is one of the HUGE problems with the game and I hope they can somehow figure it out for the next game. If you go back through my posts I've been calling for an equal stats mode online for about 4 years.

It makes no sense that theres 250 fighters in the game, and people play with 10 of them. All I ever do is fight Conor Mcgregor or Jon Jones 20x in a row.

I feel like theres a lot of potential with the other 240 fighters like how the undisputed games had a classic fights mode. But as it stands you pick any of the lower fighters and they have zero cardio which is weird since their cardio is fine in real UFC fights.

[TheRizzzle]

Re: Why do you even bother making some fighters

Like Johnny Hendricks and BJ Penn, why bother making them if they arent going to be playable at all? I dont get your logic in this.

I use them offline all the time. Seems to me they work just fine. I select them, and then they appear on my screen and the game continues. I thoroughly enjoy having these fighters in the game for that reason.

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[Phillyboi207]

Re: Why do you even bother making some fighters

This is one of the HUGE problems with the game and I hope they can somehow figure it out for the next game. If you go back through my posts I've been calling for an equal stats mode online for about 4 years.

It makes no sense that theres 250 fighters in the game, and people play with 10 of them. All I ever do is fight Conor Mcgregor or Jon Jones 20x in a row.

I feel like theres a lot of potential with the other 240 fighters like how the undisputed games had a classic fights mode. But as it stands you pick any of the lower fighters and they have zero cardio which is weird since their cardio is fine in real UFC fights.

I dont understand the complaint since this applies to every other sports / fighting game.

People are tier whores and that will never change

[TheRizzzle]

Re: Why do you even bother making some fighters

For the record, I tend to agree with you Blackbelt. I was appalled when Saki's 80OTB (lower then CM Punk) stats got approved. GPD worked days and nights to make Saki cool and give him custom combos, and then other GC'ers suggested 80OTB, which in that current meta made him instantly obsolete at high levels thanks to the presence of Cormier players.

But you're right, it's not just him. This is a piece of the game where I really don't agree with some of the other GC'ers. If someone's going to be in the game, they should hopefully have SOME reason to use them. Otherwise they are just a wasted asset taking up space in the game. IMO.

And IRL, almost every fighter has some uniquely distinctive feature that they do better than the next guy, even if it's something minor.

I like how Gaethje was done. All of his strengths were emphasized. His toughness, his leg kicks, and he even got a unique block. He's EXTREMELY unique and highly viable.

Then you have Saki who was shoved in with 80 OTB which means you auto-lose vs Cormier players who possess even half a brain.

Guys like Penn and Hendricks have lost recently because of poor fight IQ. I vehemently disagree with tarnishing a fighter's stats based on their fight IQ. Fight IQ should be emulated entirely by the player, unless we're talking about AI.

So the fact that Penn came out in a goofy-@$$ stance vs Edgar doesn't mean you should plummet his base stats into the sewer. He fought a lame fight with a stupid gameplan, which is something we should be able to avert as the player. He didn't get THAT much weaker, slower, or less powerful in the span of a few years, he just fought tentatively with bad gameplans.

But...hes a ton of fun for offline users who would never match him up with Daniel Cormier, because just like in real life that would be a stupid bit of matchmaking.

And I use him ALL THE TIME. Hasn't proven to be a wast of time for me and I happen to be someone who bought the game also and deserves to have my needs serviced as a consumer also.

So please, please stop saying it's a waste of space before my enjoyment with this game gets taken away from me.

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[TheRizzzle]

Re: Why do you even bother making some fighters

I suppose I'd rather see the floor raised on just how bad someone can be in any particular area. I don't have any desire to see Saki be great or even above average on the ground, but I also have no desire to use him in a division where every other fight will be against Cormier.

Honestly, for me realism gets thrown out the window the moment you even put Saki against Cormier. Because those two are never gonna fight. So if less realism means more fighters I can actually use in this game that's not actually that realistic to begin with, then I'm all about it.

If the number one concern is ability to win fights online then why do you want to use fighters that won't accomplish that?

Online wants their cake and eat it too. They want to be able to use everybody and have the ability to win with everybody.

If you want to be an online competitive gamer, that's your prerogative, but just select the fighter that makes the most sense to do so. You shouldn't get to live out your Saki wet dream of him being able to beat Cormier in an MMA match while also scratching your itch to be competitive online.

Because that would completely ruin the game for me and everyone else like me who has never even gone online for one single match and never bought the game with a leaderboard in mind.

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[TheRizzzle]

Re: Why do you even bother making some fighters

This is one of the HUGE problems with the game and I hope they can somehow figure it out for the next game. If you go back through my posts I've been calling for an equal stats mode online for about 4 years.

It makes no sense that theres 250 fighters in the game, and people play with 10 of them. All I ever do is fight Conor Mcgregor or Jon Jones 20x in a row.

I feel like theres a lot of potential with the other 240 fighters like how the undisputed games had a classic fights mode. But as it stands you pick any of the lower fighters and they have zero cardio which is weird since their cardio is fine in real UFC fights.

The potential is that they eventually create some sort of franchise mode or universe mode, but online users tend to not understand that part of the equation and I have a sneaky suspicion that it's part of the reason that offline hasn't taken off the way other sports franchises have.

You would need a more complete and realistic roster for any matchmaking linear and progressing UFC franchise/universe mode to work. And you need some guys to be elite, some to be midcarders and some to kind of suck relative to everybody else. But point is, you'd need more than 10 fighters and whether or not you can best a guy in Denmark online would have nothing to do with why they made the game.

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[scyth223]

Re: Why do you even bother making some fighters

I dont understand the complaint since this applies to every other sports / fighting game.

People are tier whores and that will never change

That's only if you've only been playing these games the last few years. The disparity wasn't always like this. I played Fight Night round 3 for 3 years back in the day and I was always playing with different guys.

I just wouldn't mind an equal stats mode put into quick match and so it would be optional. You don't want to play with it, don't select the box. Keep your play being realistic.

The player base has dropped drastically. Fight Night Champion has similar numbers and that game is 8 years old. Isn't the idea to get as many people playing as possible?

Career is borked. Ranked is an absolute cheesefest. Just seems such a waste to have 240 fighters that people hardly use.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Why do you even bother making some fighters

That's only if you've only been playing these games the last few years. The disparity wasn't always like this. I played Fight Night round 3 for 3 years back in the day and I was always playing with different guys.

I just wouldn't mind an equal stats mode put into quick match and so it would be optional. You don't want to play with it, don't select the box. Keep your play being realistic.

The player base has dropped drastically. Fight Night Champion has similar numbers and that game is 8 years old. Isn't the idea to get as many people playing as possible?

Career is borked. Ranked is an absolute cheesefest. Just seems such a waste to have 240 fighters that people hardly use.

Well that’s more of an issue with the game modes.

I wish we had a kickboxing mode, a boxing mode, a grappling mode. Legit career mode and franchise modez

I’ve been playing sport and fighting games for years and tier whore have always and will aways exist.

Another issue is there arent many prime rated fighters. In fight night you can use Muhamed Ali, or Tyson or prime Roy Jones.

Here most of the older guys dont really compare to the top guys today. Which is fair since the sport has evolved so much recently.

[UFCBlackbelt]

Re: Why do you even bother making some fighters

Wpuld be cool if we could click r3 on fighter select and be prompted with “leagacy” or “prime” version of fightrs who havent retired yet.

That way we can have historical accuracy and modrn.

[MeowingForVengeance]

Re: Why do you even bother making some fighters

If you want to be an online competitive gamer, that's your prerogative, but just select the fighter that makes the most sense to do so. You shouldn't get to live out your Saki wet dream of him being able to beat Cormier in an MMA match while also scratching your itch to be competitive online.

Because that would completely ruin the game for me and everyone else like me who has never even gone online for one single match and never bought the game with a leaderboard in mind.

1. I'm a bigger Cormier fan than a Saki fan, so get the **** outta here with your weird 'wet dream' bull****.

2. I don't even look at the leaderboard. I only play ranked because everyone in quick fight plays like goofballs.

I'm just talking about the game from my own perspective. No need to make it personal and act like I'm trying to 'ruin' it for anybody else.

[scyth223]

Re: Why do you even bother making some fighters

Well that’s more of an issue with the game modes.

I wish we had a kickboxing mode, a boxing mode, a grappling mode. Legit career mode and franchise modez

I’ve been playing sport and fighting games for years and tier whore have always and will aways exist.

Another issue is there arent many prime rated fighters. In fight night you can use Muhamed Ali, or Tyson or prime Roy Jones.

Here most of the older guys dont really compare to the top guys today. Which is fair since the sport has evolved so much recently.

Obviously. No one is saying we should be able to pick BJ Penn and murk Conor Mcgregor and outwrestle Khabib. Just to add a bit more variety to the game. Maybe I'm the only one who's sick of fighting Jon Jones 25 times in a row.

It's not just this game, I've been doing this since Undisputed 1 in 2009 so that's 9 years of fighting the same the GSP/Jon Jones almost every fight. (it was GSP back then instead of Conor)


There's just a lot of lower ranked fighters I'm a fan of and watch in UFC fights but theres zero incentive to use them because they have the same gas tanks in the game as my grandma.

I mean theres an equal stats mode, classic fights, universe mode, to at least get some use out of the 240 fighters that no one ever picks.