People are struggling post patch

[Mirraco136]

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100% agree Grim, although I never get separated or stood up in the clinch or on the ground. But I have seen it in martials videos I think you should get another 7 seconds to make it so it's not absurdly fast like rn. Irl MMA standups rarely occur save the crazy early ones with the last T-wood fight.

But yes ufc 2 you could comfortably destroy 40% of the player base if you knew anything about the clinch lol obviously irl this number would be far lower even for a plum master.

But still rn I could only finish 10% (generous) of players with the clinch and I think because it is a game you should have to learn how to clinch at least enough to survive. Works like this irl to Mike Perry is a great example of a great clinch fighter DC as well and Darren Till occasionally.

[RomeroXVII]

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It’s all because bums cry on twitter to Geoff for a k1 game. The moment they get clinched and their lack of skill is exposed they demand a nerf. The window was the same. I had plenty of people deny it if i didn’t set it up zabits takedown is more op than the clinch attempt. What was the reasoning for changing it? Strikers need to learn defensive grappling. This isn’t mortal kombat. This isn’t street fighter. This is mma. The grapplers are the ones who’ve been told git gud whole every patch they are handed aim assist like features to help them. “Td spam” has been nerfed to the point takedowns look nothing like a real mma game. Gsp literally spammed takedowns and was the greatest of all time. People think they can just come forward and be on the inside with a grappler with no fear of being grabbed up. The players who complain about grappling never even spend five minutes learning to deny anything but r1 and up and down. That is the extent of their grappling game. Mean while high level players go into practice mode analyze every momentum transition, the details of every animation, and were punished for know If what we’re doing. There’s no fairness between striking and grappling. The only time ou have even the slightest chance of a takedown is if they throw a kick or you chop their legs up. The undeniable takedowns are too strict

Big facts.

But man, the undeniable Takedowns are not as strict as you think. It's absolutely beautiful when you figure out the timing with them, you genuinely feel like GSP/Edgar when you hit them.

I want something along of the lines of, if you slip two strikes you can get an undeniable clinch attempt. Along with, if you have an 87+ TD Offense, you can hit an undeniable single leg tackle on somebody who's throwing a high kick. I know you've probably had that moment when you shoot takedown while somebody's leg is in the air, or even block it, you shoot and it gets denied.

[Mirraco136]

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Big facts.

But man, the undeniable Takedowns are not as strict as you think. It's absolutely beautiful when you figure out the timing with them, you genuinely feel like GSP/Edgar when you hit them.

I want something along of the lines of, if you slip two strikes you can get an undeniable clinch attempt. Along with, if you have an 87+ TD Offense, you can hit an undeniable single leg tackle on somebody who's throwing a high kick. I know you've probably had that moment when you shoot takedown while somebody's leg is in the air, or even block it, you shoot and it gets denied.

Yes, 100% this but also if you takedown says a Tony Ferguson or an Anthony Pettis type character off their Highkick they should get a 3 stage triangle opportunity. (Becuase of the leg over the shoulder already)

[RomeroXVII]

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Yes, 100% this but also if you takedown says a Tony Ferguson or an Anthony Pettis type character off their Highkick they should get a 3 stage triangle opportunity. (Becuase of the leg over the shoulder already)

That's what the TD Counters are for, but I would love that too. Input should be something like L2-R2-R1 and down.

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[jigsaw736]

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is OP talking about Bez's record ?

It seems like the high level players are just fine.. Jducks and Scruimysplash are killing it

[Newaza Expert]

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A lot of good players are having trouble. A lot of records in the top 15, which previously were absolutely gorgeous, are now subpar (ex. a player who was 72-1 is now 142-33). Several established good players have told me they’re struggling, and the leaderboards reflect this. It seems like the average Loss rate has increased greatly.

I’m just wondering if there are any theories as to why? I’m aware of what the patch changes were, I’m just wondering why it’s impacted people the way it has. What about this last patch could be responsible for the decline in win/loss ratios among experienced players?

Theorize.

I went something like 400-0 in UFC 2 before getting my first loss which was a decision to one of the top players on Xbox; I avenged that loss but the reason I was able to get on such a streak is because I could always grapple and clinch with people whether they liked it or not. Submissions were also better, and easier, to pull off from my experience; a lot of fighters had that triangle to armbar submission chain whereas now even elite jiu-jitsu guys like Maia and Werdum don't have it which still baffles me.

Now you can't' clinch once the other player knows you're trying to clinch them because it's so easy to just shrug it off even based on reaction; you could give up clinching for awhile, strike them, and still the next time you try to clinch it'll very likely get shrugged off costing you more stamina. Even as a grappler I tell myself to not attempt entering single collar because it's just way too much risk and no reward.

Your only chance now to grapple is to shoot for takedowns and you can bet those uppercuts are coming.

[WhoDatNinja]

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The average loss rate is holding steady at 50%.

Thats great.


I'm not going to shed any tears for a 70-1 record thats now able to get beat. I guess that means theres not just one flawless style that can win just about every fight anymore.

[Find_the_Door]

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Game is an L1 movement dodge fest now absolutely terrible state. Probably why I rarely if ever find fights anymore. Not interested in playing a K1 game with Nog against Dos Santos every other game.

Let me know when this at all even remotely resembles a MMA match and I'll be back until then it's shelved.

[Pappy Knuckles]

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Game is an L1 movement dodge fest now absolutely terrible state. Probably why I rarely if ever find fights anymore. Not interested in playing a K1 game with Nog against Dos Santos every other game.

Let me know when this at all even remotely resembles a MMA match and I'll be back until then it's shelved.

Dodge fest, really? I mostly fight in middleweight and under and I can't co-sign that at all.

For me, the L1 movement is in a very good spot. It provides defensive options but still leaves you vulnerable to shots. Plus, I often see my opponents gas when they rely on it too much. I don't fight much in HW, but I'd imagine that to be especially true in that division. Out of curiosity, do you only play with Big Nog?

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[Find_the_Door]

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Dodge fest, really? I mostly fight in middleweight and under and I can't co-sign that at all.

For me, the L1 movement is in a very good spot. It provides defensive options but still leaves you vulnerable to shots. Plus, I often see my opponents gas when they rely on it too much. I don't fight much in HW, but I'd imagine that to be especially true in that division. Out of curiosity, do you only play with Big Nog?

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I mainly experience this at middleweight. Not so much at Heavyweight.

I use Nogueira bros and Costa (my favorite fighters). Had a Kelvin last night dodge hooks with the L1 movement even when dodging to the side I was throwing from.

[Papadoc60]

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Game is an L1 movement dodge fest now absolutely terrible state. Probably why I rarely if ever find fights anymore. Not interested in playing a K1 game with Nog against Dos Santos every other game.

Let me know when this at all even remotely resembles a MMA match and I'll be back until then it's shelved.

Development **** all over the clinch and hasn't readjusted it in the last 3 ( maybe 2 at least ) weeks and I feel you there. If people are dominating you with spamming the L1 movement lunges you just aren't doing too hot chief. They are pretty balanced right now.

[Find_the_Door]

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Development **** all over the clinch and hasn't readjusted it in the last 3 ( maybe 2 at least ) weeks and I feel you there. If people are dominating you with spamming the L1 movement lunges you just aren't doing too hot chief. They are pretty balanced right now.

I'm just not used to not being able to pressure now. I'll adjust if I put time into it. Madden and 2K and Rainbow Six currently command my attention.

[Papadoc60]

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I'm just not used to not being able to pressure now. I'll adjust if I put time into it. Madden and 2K and Rainbow Six currently command my attention.

If you time a body kick it will usually cause a health event, or if you get close really close and throw body hooks they'll do extra damage and make them stop lunging. I feel you though, I have been playing a lot more rocket league since the devs made the clinch useless again like 3 weeks ago :/

[Find_the_Door]

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If you time a body kick it will usually cause a health event, or if you get close really close and throw body hooks they'll do extra damage and make them stop lunging. I feel you though, I have been playing a lot more rocket league since the devs made the clinch useless again like 3 weeks ago :/

Yeah game was fun for all of a week. Seems the game is at it's best when a patch drops and the tuner hasn't released yet.

[Phillyboi207]

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If you time a body kick it will usually cause a health event, or if you get close really close and throw body hooks they'll do extra damage and make them stop lunging. I feel you though, I have been playing a lot more rocket league since the devs made the clinch useless again like 3 weeks ago :/

The new clinch + footwork changes made this game really special.

You could finally punish pressure strikers with grappling.

It’s a shame so many high level strikers believe it’s fair to pressure a grappler and deny the clinch attempt on reaction.

Still have hope that the Devs are gonna balance it