Connor vs Khabib the update after

[RomeroXVII]

Re: Connor vs Khabib the update after

Conors ground work was actually quite impressive early on, he showed pretty great TDD and worked well to get out of mount multiple times and retain guard. I think he will give a lot of guys who aren't Khabib's level a hard time keeping him down.

His stamina is a tough one, most guys who go through a Khabib beating look terrible in rd 3, but Conor goes from 100 to 0 , not 100 to 50. His left straight looked bad in rd 3.

In sight of the TDD defense from Conor, aside from the scramble in the first:

Conor hooked his fingers into the gloves of Khabib.

Pulled on his shorts.

Stuck his feet multiple times in the cage to defend the TD.

He had to cheat in order to defend Khabib's TDs, and even then it didn't help him in the long run.

His grapple stamina had to be reduced. It is because of the pressure Khabib put on him, which was why he was do drained. This wasn't like the Diaz fight where he unloaded a bunch of shots, he was mauled- actually let's put it in UFC 3 terms- He got pre denied every time he tried to flick his stick, and was zapped of his energy.

[WarMMA]

Re: Connor vs Khabib the update after

Conors ground work was actually quite impressive early on, he showed pretty great TDD and worked well to get out of mount multiple times and retain guard. I think he will give a lot of guys who aren't Khabib's level a hard time keeping him down.

His stamina is a tough one, most guys who go through a Khabib beating look terrible in rd 3, but Conor goes from 100 to 0 , not 100 to 50. His left straight looked bad in rd 3.

The thing is Conor's ground isn't bad off his back, but he is pretty much just a turtle, meaning he's mainly defensive. Reminds me of Cro Cop off his back. He just wraps you up and tries to survive until he can get an opportunity to stand up. But yh I agree he could probably do much better against guys that are not high lvl grapplers. As far as his tdd, it wasn't bad. He stuffed some shots but against high lvl grapplers/wrestlers, stopping one shot isn't the end cuz they are gonna chain wrestle and keep trying. That's how Khabib eventually still got him down in the 1st round. With the stamina Conor only has a solid 2 and a half, to 3 rounds in him. So the fact that he had to grapple and survive that brutal GnP in the 2nd wore him out bad for the 3rd. Even if he could land some clean lefts, his power was already popped down.

[aholbert32]

Re: Connor vs Khabib the update after

In sight of the TDD defense from Conor, aside from the scramble in the first:

Conor hooked his fingers into the gloves of Khabib.

Pulled on his shorts.

Stuck his feet multiple times in the cage to defend the TD.

He had to cheat in order to defend Khabib's TDs, and even then it didn't help him in the long run.

His grapple stamina had to be reduced. It is because of the pressure Khabib put on him, which was why he was do drained. This wasn't like the Diaz fight where he unloaded a bunch of shots, he was mauled- actually let's put it in UFC 3 terms- He got pre denied every time he tried to flick his stick, and was zapped of his energy.

I was trying to avoid this thread until I turned in my ratings suggestions. Now that those are done. How much lower do you want his grapple stamina? At lightweight its an 86. According to my quick count 35 LWs have better grapple stamina and 4-5 have the same. He is almost at the bottom when it comes to grapple stamina.

[RetractedMonkey]

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I was trying to avoid this thread until I turned in my ratings suggestions. Now that those are done. How much lower do you want his grapple stamina? At lightweight its an 86. According to my quick count 35 LWs have better grapple stamina and 4-5 have the same. He is almost at the bottom when it comes to grapple stamina.

Yeah, I think people really just have no idea what the actual stats are and just assume he's got high everything because he's Conor. His stats are absolutely fine.

I think a slight power reduction makes sense but we saw nothing else.

[UFCBlackbelt]

Re: Connor vs Khabib the update after

I was trying to avoid this thread until I turned in my ratings suggestions. Now that those are done. How much lower do you want his grapple stamina? At lightweight its an 86. According to my quick count 35 LWs have better grapple stamina and 4-5 have the same. He is almost at the bottom when it comes to grapple stamina.

I think grappling stamina probably just needs to be more significant. It's hard to drain your opponent's stamina, the only way to do it is with denials. Lots of Conor users just sit and hold.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Connor vs Khabib the update after

Yeah, I think people really just have no idea what the actual stats are and just assume he's got high everything because he's Conor. His stats are absolutely fine.

I think a slight power reduction makes sense but we saw nothing else.

His switch stance should be mid-high 80s at best.

He rarely if ever strikes out of Orthodox.

But yeah I think his other stats are fine. Maybe even slight TDD boost.

Khabib deserves a big boost to his striking stats imo

[MacGowan]

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He had to cheat in order to defend Khabib's TDs,

He didn't have to do jack. He's a veteran, I'm sure he was like "I'll just put my fingers here until someone tells me otherwise" that's on herb dean 100%

I've said it before, if I'm a UFC Fighter I'm giving you two low blows no questions about it. they NEVER get points deducted, it's utterly insane.

I have nothing but love for a dirty boxer,
It's Herb's job to make those dirty tactics pay, and he was totally of the ball that fight.

[RetractedMonkey]

Re: Connor vs Khabib the update after

I think grappling stamina probably just needs to be more significant. It's hard to drain your opponent's stamina, the only way to do it is with denials. Lots of Conor users just sit and hold.

That's how it works. You sit and turtle to conserve energy. We literally saw Conor do that in the first round particularly. Just because it's hard to do something (it really isn't anyway) doesn't mean it should be made easier. You can't just have stamina drain from having someone on top. That can be gamed too easily and combined with a fighter actually being denied would be absolutely devastating.

[WarMMA]

Re: Connor vs Khabib the update after

He didn't have to do jack. He's a veteran, I'm sure he was like "I'll just put my fingers here until someone tells me otherwise" that's on herb dean 100%

I've said it before, if I'm a UFC Fighter I'm giving you two low blows no questions about it. they NEVER get points deducted, it's utterly insane.

I have nothing but love for a dirty boxer,
It's Herb's job to make those dirty tactics pay, and he was totally of the ball that fight.

[MacGowan]

Re: Connor vs Khabib the update after

It's Herb's job to make those dirty tactics pay, and he was totally of the ball that fight.

note: of course I meant make the dirty tactics NOT pay off

[ZHunter1990]

Re: Connor vs Khabib the update after

Yeah completely agree more, it’s crazy how the sport has changed since 1993..... I think the tournament bracket system is the best way to make matches.... no one can avoid the next opponent .... at lest for championships...then make separate fights as exhibition fights....
With that said... Conor has horrible ground game.....and no stamina...please relate that to the game.....no more excuses!


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Conors grappling didn't look terrible. He was fighting Khabib. Edson, RDA, Trujillo, Tebeau, Tavarez all have good grappling and Khabib made them look like amateurs.

Conor actually did quite well defensively in the first round. His grappling technique isnt as much of an issue as his conditioning, heart and submission defense are.

[WarMMA]

Re: Connor vs Khabib the update after

Conors grappling didn't look terrible. He was fighting Khabib. Edson, RDA, Trujillo, Tebeau, Tavarez all have good grappling and Khabib made them look like amateurs.

Conor actually did quite well defensively in the first round. His grappling technique isnt as much of an issue as his conditioning, heart and submission defense are.

I honestly think Khabib would make most LW's look like amateurs. The thing with Conor's bottom game though, is that he's a turtle. He doesn't try to mount any kind of offense or even threaten anything from his back at all. He purely just tries to survive and get back up. With a bottom game like that, he'll be eaten alive by most high lvl grapplers.

[RomeroXVII]

Re: Connor vs Khabib the update after

He didn't have to do jack. He's a veteran, I'm sure he was like "I'll just put my fingers here until someone tells me otherwise" that's on herb dean 100%

I've said it before, if I'm a UFC Fighter I'm giving you two low blows no questions about it. they NEVER get points deducted, it's utterly insane.

I have nothing but love for a dirty boxer,
It's Herb's job to make those dirty tactics pay, and he was totally of the ball that fight.

Except, he did cheat/play dirty to do so. So he did. Nothing changes, it literally happened, we all saw it but we all know Herb Dean tends to be inconsistent. Doesn't matter if he magically forgot to call it, he did it FFS.

[MacGowan]

Re: Connor vs Khabib the update after

Except, he did cheat/play dirty to do so. So he did. Nothing changes, it literally happened, we all saw it but we all know Herb Dean tends to be inconsistent. Doesn't matter if he magically forgot to call it, he did it FFS.

Maybe it's because I'm from a European soccer culture (same as Conor) it's ingrained in us. where we pretend to die if we get tackled, spit in your face when the refs not looking, and grab your shirt just for fun. Not one player is innocent from having done this.

hell, the biggest soccer moment in history; God's hand was blatant cheating.

The moral of this story? all is fair in soccer and war. ref? do yer job.

[rabbitfistssaipailo]

Re: Connor vs Khabib the update after

Here’s an article from Jack Slack about the fight

Highlight’s Khabib’s footwork,jab,head movement, and of course grappling. Oh and McGregor’s cheating.

https://sports.vice.com/amp/en_us/ar...mpression=true

A must read for any MMA fan ...loved how he said he's not interested in what happened after the fight .

Very good analysis .

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