Damage and Frame Data

[rabbitfistssaipailo]

Re: Damage and Frame Data

Thanks ...coupled with Holly's stamina and movement ...my friend practically had a field day with me with that combo ...well I will stay away from the women's bantam division for now .

I mean you are jabbing or throwing strikes and it seems like the straight uppercut , uppercut doesn't seem to be phased by it at all .

Well thanks Yves . I appreciate it . Just seems like pressure mixed with god tier stamina plus foot work forces one to be reactive ...with the slow low block it's kind of frustrating .

I can go to the body as there's always an uppercut in the mix .

Oh well . It's all good .

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[1212headkick]

Re: Damage and Frame Data

How do you calculate combo data as it bypasses frame advantage according to deep dive

[GameplayDevUFC]

Re: Damage and Frame Data

How do you calculate combo data as it bypasses frame advantage according to deep dive

Your only options would be to lab it or ask me.

[GameplayDevUFC]

Re: Damage and Frame Data

I can tell you this though. There is no combo in the game, regardless of weight class, that is faster than 12 frames.

[1212headkick]

Re: Damage and Frame Data

I can tell you this though. There is no combo in the game, regardless of weight class, that is faster than 12 frames.

Great info. Most of the time I can stop hard combos with a straight yes? According to the frame data wouldn’t a lead hook beat something like spinning backfist? How can I figure out fa for single shots? And for combo speed how fast is the following

1 3 2 5
1 6 3 4
1 2 3b
1 3 4 3
1 4 5 2


Ty very kindly

[Counter Punch]

Re: Damage and Frame Data

Great info. Most of the time I can stop hard combos with a straight yes? According to the frame data wouldn’t a lead hook beat something like spinning backfist? How can I figure out fa for single shots? And for combo speed how fast is the following

1 3 2 5
1 6 3 4
1 2 3b
1 3 4 3
1 4 5 2


Ty very kindly

Is it just me or are people thinking about this all wrong? If you are both equadistant and square to your opponent, and throw at the same time, the frames would matter a lot. But in reality your stats, stamina, timing, distance, angle (and all of that as it relates to your opponent) factor in. I doubt you’re gonna be making all those calculations on the fly. Just use your eyes.

[1212headkick]

Re: Damage and Frame Data

Is it just me or are people thinking about this all wrong? If you are both equadistant and square to your opponent, and throw at the same time, the frames would matter a lot. But in reality your stats, stamina, timing, distance, angle (and all of that as it relates to your opponent) factor in. I doubt you’re gonna be making all those calculations on the fly. Just use your eyes.

I do make them on the fly most of the time with what I know anytime they move forward and wing combos I plant my feet and throw the straight just looking for more opportunities to land body shots

[Boiler569]

Re: Damage and Frame Data

I'm late to the game but this is pretty awesome. Would love to have seen some sort of Stamina Drain stat(s) included but maybe next time Thx GPD !

[SUGATA]

Re: Damage and Frame Data

I found some questionable "PARADOXES" in Frame data FD - so needs your help, GPD:

0) THE MOST important question - does the current (15.01.2019) Frame data sets are actual and includes all FD updates with the last patches?

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Spoiler

FRAME DATA CHANGES: (upper post = older change)
- added an Execution frame (added min 2 frames) penalty to the Longer fighter (to simulate the fact that their longer limbs take more time to reach their target, i.e. slower)
- <s>reduce Stopping power of Jab from 0.7 to 0.5.</s> (Example: if an opponent’s Uppercut takes 24 frames to contact, so I have to intercept it 4 frames earlier than before with my Jab in order to stop it. 0.2 is bigger for longer strikes like a Head kick, which takes about 30 frames so 6 frames earlier than before.).
In later patch: reduce Stopping power of Jab from 0.5 to 0.3 (b/c Jab was too good at stopping people, while also giving access to great combos and being almost immune to slip counters. The intention is to keep it good for offense, for opening people up; but not so good for intercepting people, which should be the niche of the straight. Now there should be more variaty in how people start their combo, instead of having them starting with a Jab almost every time).
- reduced the Block recovery frames on landed Roundhouse Leg kicks to make it so you can not longer land 3 unblockable strikes after a landed Leg kick
- 4 frame speed up to 1^st FWD Moving Hook to the Head to offer a viable counter to the Sway Straight
- slow down Body Jab by 4 frames, slow down Body Straight by 2 frames
- 4 frame speed up of the Body Roundhouse kicks
- 2 frame speed up of the Switch kick to the Body
- increase Stopping power of the Push Off
- slow down the Switch kick by 2 frames
- reduce the on hit recovery movement for the Overhand and Haymaker to make it possible to Sway the Block counter.

1) Why Straight to Body has NOT Stopping power SP (0) at all?
> I agree that Body < Head, but Straight to Liver can stop the opponent.

2) Why the most Back strikes has the same SP as their Lead variant?
> Back strikes are longer, has more Damage, are more powerful more kinetic energy so must to have more SP.

3) Why Lead Body Knee has more SP (0.9) than Back body Knee (0.7) and the same Damage?
> Back has more way = more kinetic energy = must to have more power (damage) and SP.

[Lauriedr1ver]

Re: Damage and Frame Data

I found some questionable "PARADOXES" in Frame data FD - so needs your help, GPD:

0) THE MOST important question - does the current (15.01.2019) Frame data sets are actual and includes all FD updates with the last patches?

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Spoiler

FRAME DATA CHANGES: (upper post = older change)
- added an Execution frame (added min 2 frames) penalty to the Longer fighter (to simulate the fact that their longer limbs take more time to reach their target, i.e. slower)
- <s>reduce Stopping power of Jab from 0.7 to 0.5.</s> (Example: if an opponent’s Uppercut takes 24 frames to contact, so I have to intercept it 4 frames earlier than before with my Jab in order to stop it. 0.2 is bigger for longer strikes like a Head kick, which takes about 30 frames so 6 frames earlier than before.).
In later patch: reduce Stopping power of Jab from 0.5 to 0.3 (b/c Jab was too good at stopping people, while also giving access to great combos and being almost immune to slip counters. The intention is to keep it good for offense, for opening people up; but not so good for intercepting people, which should be the niche of the straight. Now there should be more variaty in how people start their combo, instead of having them starting with a Jab almost every time).
- reduced the Block recovery frames on landed Roundhouse Leg kicks to make it so you can not longer land 3 unblockable strikes after a landed Leg kick
- 4 frame speed up to 1^st FWD Moving Hook to the Head to offer a viable counter to the Sway Straight
- slow down Body Jab by 4 frames, slow down Body Straight by 2 frames
- 4 frame speed up of the Body Roundhouse kicks
- 2 frame speed up of the Switch kick to the Body
- increase Stopping power of the Push Off
- slow down the Switch kick by 2 frames
- reduce the on hit recovery movement for the Overhand and Haymaker to make it possible to Sway the Block counter.

1) Why Straight to Body has NOT Stopping power SP (0) at all?
> I agree that Body < Head, but Straight to Liver can stop the opponent.

2) Why the most Back strikes has the same SP as their Lead variant?
> Back strikes are longer, has more Damage, are more powerful more kinetic energy so must to have more SP.

3) Why Lead Body Knee has more SP (0.9) than Back body Knee (0.7) and the same Damage?
> Back has more way = more kinetic energy = must to have more power (damage) and SP.

Lead body knee is a switch knee, therefore generating more force.

[SUGATA]

Re: Damage and Frame Data

4) We have RECOVERY columns for Hit and Miss, but why NO columns for Block (if my strike was Blocked)?
Recovery Block
Block recovery Block
Movement recovery Block



5) Then lets try to PRACTICALLY implement this FD chart to our gameplay:

<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:OfficeDocumentSettings> <o:RelyOnVML/> <o:AllowPNG/> </o:OfficeDocumentSettings> </xml><![endif]--> Recovery Hit - number of my Recovery frames when my strike lands before another my strike can begin outside of my combo. The number of frames it takes to recover after landing the technique before I am free to perform anything.
Recovery Miss - number of my Recovery frames when my strike missed/whiffed before another my strike can begin outside of my combo. The number of frames it takes to recover after missing the technique before I am free to perform anything.
Block Recovery Hit (Recovery Hit Defense) - number of my Recovery frames when my strike lands (hit) before I can Block. The number of frames it takes to recover after landing the technique before I am free to Block.
> This is what you shall pay attention to in order to figure out if a Move is unsafe on Block: Block Recovery Hit and On Block.
WINDOW FOR PUNISHMENT on Block = On Block – (Recovery Hit - Block Recovery).


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mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; mso-para-margin-top:0cm; mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:8.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:107%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]-->For example:
Head Lead Hook when it was blocked (for Fast chart)

Window punishment for this = -8 - (22 - 14) = -16

Does it mean that the opponent has 16 frames advantage (window) for landing not evadable strike (punishment)? then it must to be that Strikes with execution <16 frames are guaranteed (Straight to Head for ex)?

What means "-" in this situation?