Stack Guard arm trap sub

[KingCorgzz]

I feel they are too easy to pull off for being a 2 gate submission.

[BARIK_]

Re: Stack Guard arm trap sub

The arm bar is easier, I agree.
The transition from rubber guard to stack guard is very fast too so, as a Ferg player, I guess we are even lol.

[KingCorgzz]

Re: Stack Guard arm trap sub

The arm bar is easier, I agree.
The transition from rubber guard to stack guard is very fast too so, as a Ferg player, I guess we are even lol.

What does the transitioning to stack guard from rubber guard have to do with it and how does that make it even? I’m pretty sure stack guard is a dominant position. But you can get caught in a very deadly submission with total ease it seems. I think the window on catching the punches for the submissions should be shorter than just regularly bucking them off when they punch.

[BARIK_]

Re: Stack Guard arm trap sub

What does the transitioning to stack guard from rubber guard have to do with it and how does that make it even? I’m pretty sure stack guard is a dominant position. But you can get caught in a very deadly submission with total ease it seems. I think the window on catching the punches for the submissions should be shorter than just regularly bucking them off when they punch.

The transition from being in a very vulnerable position (rubber guard) to a very dominant position (stacked guard) is very fast. It has something to do with your point, dont you think?

[RomeroXVII]

Re: Stack Guard arm trap sub

The transition from being in a very vulnerable position (rubbet guard) to a very dominant position (stacked guard) is very fast. It has something to do with your point, dont you think?

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[Phillyboi207]

Re: Stack Guard arm trap sub

Imo they are perfect and most subs need to be like them

We need strike feints on the ground to balance arm traps imo

[BARIK_]

Re: Stack Guard arm trap sub

Imo they are perfect and most subs need to be like them

We need strike feints on the ground to balance arm traps imo

The arm bar is pretty fast and I like it, but to be honest is too easy to start with. You dont even have to guess which arm the opponent is going to throw, just flick it in the direction of the sub you preffer.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Stack Guard arm trap sub

The arm bar is pretty fast and I like it, but to be honest is too easy to start with. You dont even have to guess which arm the opponent is going to throw, just flick it in the direction of the sub you preffer.

I actually didnt know that.

Then yeah that’s too easy. Should be based upon direction

[GrimLeiper]

Re: Stack Guard arm trap sub

I think the point of that submission is, even if you're GSP throwing down big punches, a BJJ expert is going to eat one of those arms up. You as the dominant fighter need to stay mindful of that.

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[1212headkick]

Re: Stack Guard arm trap sub

You can only get the subs from one side its not op

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Stack Guard arm trap sub

You can only get the subs from one side its not op

Whelp now im confused

So it is direction based like other arm traps or can you flick either direction?

[Good Grappler]

Re: Stack Guard arm trap sub

The arm bar is easier, I agree.
The transition from rubber guard to stack guard is very fast too so, as a Ferg player, I guess we are even lol.

Well but the bottom guy gets an instant momentum sweep after the top player stacks out of rubber guard. So this gives the bottom guy lots of options, because whenever there’s a momentum transition available, it strengthens the efficacy of the other transitions available. Because a player has to be mindful of, and prioritize the denial of, momentum transitions. So you can take advantage of the the threat of a momentum transition due to the high likelihood that a player will pre empt a denial.

Also, skilled players generally are prepared for the stacked transition out of rubber guard, because they know it’s a fast transition and a likely first-choice of their opponent. Most good players I know of shut down my stacked guard transition.

Overall, in the Ferg vs Khabib, top vs bottom meta, Ferguson has the advantages. The momentum sweeps, rubber guard... 2 gate subs discourage GnP. Plus the timer which forces action. Not saying I don’t absolutely school most Fergusons with Khabib... but that’s due to a skill gap. In evenly skilled fights, bottom is more OP than top.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Stack Guard arm trap sub

Well but the bottom guy gets an instant momentum sweep after the top player stacks out of rubber guard. So this gives the bottom guy lots of options, because whenever there’s a momentum transition available, it strengthens the efficacy of the other transitions available. Because a player has to be mindful of, and prioritize the denial of, momentum transitions. So you can take advantage of the the threat of a momentum transition due to the high likelihood that a player will pre empt a denial.

Also, skilled players generally are prepared for the stacked transition out of rubber guard, because they know it’s a fast transition and a likely first-choice of their opponent. Most good players I know of shut down my stacked guard transition.

Overall, in the Ferg vs Khabib, top vs bottom meta, Ferguson has the advantages. The momentum sweeps, rubber guard... 2 gate subs discourage GnP. Plus the timer which forces action. Not saying I don’t absolutely school most Fergusons with Khabib... but that’s due to a skill gap. In evenly skilled fights, bottom is more OP than top.

If reversals were done via LB modifier +RS and regular denials done with just RS do you think this would help shift the balance?

So if you went for a reversal with the modifier but you werent early enough then you’d give up a free transition instead of still getting a denial.

[RetractedMonkey]

Re: Stack Guard arm trap sub

The strikes from stacked are so slow, it's way too easy to grab the arm for a (two gate!) sub.

This is where all the realism guys go hide in their corner because it doesn't suit their narrative this time. How often do you see arm traps into an armbar from stacked guard even be attempted? I think I've seen it maybe three times since I started watching. And two of those are in the women's divisions.

I pray for someone to put me in stacked guard because I know I'm getting up unless they immediately try to pass instead of strike. If you strike, I can easily do the knee bump or arm trap you. Or I can block two slow strikes and kick you off. It amazes me how often I finish people in stacked considering these things. You can also f***in' punch people from the bottom in stacked if they stall to build GA.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Stack Guard arm trap sub

The strikes from stacked are so slow, it's way too easy to grab the arm for a (two gate!) sub.

This is where all the realism guys go hide in their corner because it doesn't suit their narrative this time. How often do you see arm traps into an armbar from stacked guard even be attempted? I think I've seen it maybe three times since I started watching. And two of those are in the women's divisions.

I pray for someone to put me in stacked guard because I know I'm getting up unless they immediately try to pass instead of strike. If you strike, I can easily do the knee bump or arm trap you. Or I can block two slow strikes and kick you off. It amazes me how often I finish people in stacked considering these things. You can also f***in' punch people from the bottom in stacked if they stall to build GA.

Realism guy checkin in

Tbh it’s not super realistic but that applies to the entire sub system. Plus how often would someone play around in the guard of a sub specialist in real life? Usually they’re focused on controlling them or getting up.