Speed up hooks to the body let them be freeflowing

[MacAttack33]

Re: Speed up hooks to the body let them be freeflowing

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Im a big diaz fan and one thing you cant do is let those hooks to the body rip. Theyre also really slow. Look how nick rips those shots. Even coming forward. Our hands are restricted to a set of rules. You dont see the volume of uppercuts irl like you do in the game. It shouldnt take minor swaying and all kinds of ridiculousness just to work the body. Its not realistic

I’ve been saying this since launch, body shots being slow and ridiculous. Everyone just said “Oh it’s just the animation”. Well okay, the animation is really F ing slow.

[1212headkick]

Re: Speed up hooks to the body let them be freeflowing

Too easy for kids to get a w from one solitary uppercut which is rarely even thrown in mma. Body shots are quick for a reason

[1212headkick]

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Anyone who looks at the frame data and agrees that body hooks should be as slow as body kicks has never seen a real mma fight in there life both are 40 frames from execution to recovery. Body punches should be much safer then a body kick.

[RetractedMonkey]

Speed up hooks to the body let them be freeflowing

They absolutely should not. There is a reason you see way more body kicks than body punches in real MMA. It’s because body kicks can be thrown from range. And they have a much smaller window to be countered. First of all, body kicks can stop an opponent dead in their tracks. They also have the added bonus of occupying the recipient’s arms to block. You can step in on a body kick to land a counter punch, but it takes better timing than even a leg kick counter strike.

Body punches on the other hand need to be thrown from almost clinch range. Jabs and straights can be thrown from safer range, but hooks and uppercuts require you to be right up on them.

Not only that, but they have to be set up with head strikes. Throwing naked body hooks without a set up is a huge striking no no. It leaves you open for uppercuts or step back straight punches. The recovery time of changing level to throw the hook and then come up and have your hands ready to block (and if you’re good, to roll out of the way) is much longer than whipping a body kick from range.


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[1212headkick]

Re: Speed up hooks to the body let them be freeflowing

They absolutely should not. There is a reason you see way more body kicks than body punches in real MMA. It’s because body kicks can be thrown from range. And they have a much smaller window to be countered. First of all, body kicks can stop an opponent dead in their tracks. They also have the added bonus of occupying the recipient’s arms to block. You can step in on a body kick to land a counter punch, but it takes better timing than even a leg kick counter strike.

Body punches on the other hand need to be thrown from almost clinch range. Jabs and straights can be thrown from safer range, but hooks and uppercuts require you to be right up on them.

Not only that, but they have to be set up with head strikes. Throwing naked body hooks without a set up is a huge striking no no. It leaves you open for uppercuts or step back straight punches. The recovery time of changing level to throw the hook and then come up and have your hands ready to block (and if you’re good, to roll out of the way) is much longer than whipping a body kick from range.


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Even though I still think they should be sped up I do agree with a lot of what you said. I understand the level change. But the level change is a bit drastic for what we have. Body hooks are easy to telegraph and with the wave of scrubs using haptic feedback i feel it would balance out a lot of things.


If your going to leave them slow there needs to be a better reward for going to the body. Kids just run and run and run now. I’d settle for some more stun frames even. Something is better then what we have. A body kick and a punch should not be the same speed. I’ve got youth golden gloves I can prove to you I don’t need to change levels that much to land a body hook.


Constant uppercuts to the face is a video game mechanic. Yes you will get caught in real life but the frequency it happens in game is aesthetically and strategically displeasing. I am always open to listen you. A lot of times I find a lot of gems in what you say. More people should learn to approach debate with you in a non emotional way. It makes the game better

[RetractedMonkey]

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I don't necessarily disagree with what you are saying, I just don't know if there is anything reasonably that could be done about it without unbalancing the game further.

[1212headkick]

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I don't necessarily disagree with what you are saying, I just don't know if there is anything reasonably that could be done about it without unbalancing the game further.

As I said before more stun frames when landing consecutive body hooks a very small long term stam drain increase and 2-4 frames would even be enough. I’d even settle for just the stun frames. One things for sure you can’t leave them how they are. The rear one is most troublesome. I’d rather deal with body hooks then knees

[HereticFighter]

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As I said before more stun frames when landing consecutive body hooks a very small long term stam drain increase and 2-4 frames would even be enough. I’d even settle for just the stun frames. One things for sure you can’t leave them how they are. The rear one is most troublesome. I’d rather deal with body hooks then knees

I'd settle for them just being sped up a bit and nothing else. It just looks and feels like you're under water for a lot of body punches. I didn't like the slowdown on lateral kicks either, that actually made a lot of sense when they were faster, now you just eat a 3 piece combo for landing a body kick even if you actually land.

If you don't have the fast knees in close, you are at a severe disadvantage when it comes to hitting some body shots at boxing range against someone who does.

[RomeroXVII]

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I'd settle for them just being sped up a bit and nothing else. It just looks and feels like you're under water for a lot of body punches. I didn't like the slowdown on lateral kicks either, that actually made a lot of sense when they were faster, now you just eat a 3 piece combo for landing a body kick even if you actually land.

If you don't have the fast knees in close, you are at a severe disadvantage when it comes to hitting some body shots at boxing range against someone who does.

If you throw a planted body kick, you're usually fine at proper range, I usually get the hit stun. You have to be careful not to throw them if your opponent plans to crowd you. If you're throwing that gliding ninja kick you deserve to get three pieced IMO.

[1212headkick]

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I dont think the proper response is "its broken but well break it if we fix it." If nothing can be done in 3 please fix it in 4. Its good for pressure fighters and outside fighters. On a side note id like to be able to perform multiple leadhook combo with diaz

[1212headkick]

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Not a callout but im interested in hearing from the gcs their opinion