Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

[aholbert32]

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Is "putting pressure on someone they never knew existed" a measurable and objective fact that you can test yourself? You forgot to include "Boom roasted" and "10-7 outside fighting", btw.



Pretty poor defense. I've had civil interactions in this thread with Romero, Rommel and phillyboi just to name a few.

Its really sad. He cant help himself. The discussion was going so well. You, Romero, Philly, ZHunter, Zombie, Kingslayer, bmlimo, Rizzle...all having a productive conversation for days about ways to improve the game. Here he comes talking about how high people are ranked again?

Lets get back on the game folks. Dont let him derail what is a great conversation that I'm sure will be beneficial to the devs.

[1212headkick]

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Is "putting pressure on someone they never knew existed" a measurable and objective fact that you can test yourself? You forgot to include "Boom roasted" and "10-7 outside fighting", btw.



Pretty poor defense. I've had civil interactions in this thread with Romero, Rommel and phillyboi just to name a few.

More bully speak logical fallacies and trolling. You have nothing to offer that makes interactions with you worthwhile. You agree with mostly those who only share y your views. You constantly are brown nosing for clout. You do this to me john mangala etc. and I don’t know where you get off talking to me about a game I am clearly better than you at in a disrespectful way.

[1212headkick]

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Its really sad. He cant help himself. The discussion was going so well. You, Romero, Philly, ZHunter, Zombie, Kingslayer, bmlimo, Rizzle...all having a productive conversation for days about ways to improve the game. Here he comes talking about how high people are ranked again?

Lets get back on the game folks. Dont let him derail what is a great conversation that I'm sure will be beneficial to the devs.

Stop trying to do pr. Your blatantly ignoring my long posts filled with ideas based on realism to suit your own needs. Your the king of derailing threads. You have no room to speak

[aholbert32]

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Stop trying to do pr. Your blatantly ignoring my long posts filled with ideas based on realism to suit your own needs. Your the king of derailing threads. You have no room to speak

No need to rehash the argument again. I dont respect you as a poster and you dont respect me. I'm good with that. As long as you keep my name out of your mouth and dont derail beneficial threads by bragging about your rank or using the same words over and over again ("toxic", "fallacies", "bully", "boom roasted"), I'm good.

Let people discuss the game. If you have a point and are interested in discussing it, make that point. When people challenge that point, address that point instead of using it as an opportunity to brag about being a ranked player.

[tomitomitomi]

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You agree with mostly those who only share y your views..

[1212headkick]

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Your bias only harms the actual good ideas people are proposing. All you do is troll.

[1212headkick]

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No need to rehash the argument again. I dont respect you as a poster and you dont respect me. I'm good with that. As long as you keep my name out of your mouth and dont derail beneficial threads by bragging about your rank or using the same words over and over again ("toxic", "fallacies", "bully", "boom roasted"), I'm good.

Let people discuss the game. If you have a point and are interested in discussing it, make that point. When people challenge that point, address that point instead of using it as an opportunity to brag about being a ranked player.

I dont bring up being ranked unless someone who doesnt know what theyre talking about attacks me and my insights. Saying your name isnt against tos. You said yourself I have good ideas and ignore it when it suits you.

[aholbert32]

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I dont bring up being ranked unless someone who doesnt know what theyre talking about attacks me and my insights. Saying your name isnt against tos. You said yourself I have good ideas and ignore it when it suits you.

Thats not true (you use your rank as a way to bolster your arguments or downplay someone elses) but its useless to argue with you so I wont. Please quote me correctly though. I never said your ideas were good. I was talking about ideas that were discussed behind the scenes and said that many OSers ideas have been discussed behind the scenes and your ideas were included. That doesnt mean that your ideas or even most of them are good imo.

Regarding referencing me, there is no need to bring up my name if I'm not involved in a discussion or speaking to you directly. Lets keep it civil. I dont want to have to get personal and really start embarrassing you. If you have a question for me or want my take on something, ask me directly. If you want to respond to a discussion point I've made, respond to that point directly.

If you want to go in another direction and keep mentioning me for no reason, we can go that route but it wont be beneficial to the forum (and the discussion) and it wont be fun for you. So lets keep it civil, OK?

[1212headkick]

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Thats not true (you use your rank as a way to bolster your arguments or downplay someone elses) but its useless to argue with you so I wont. Please quote me correctly though. I never said your ideas were good. I was talking about ideas that were discussed behind the scenes and said that many OSers ideas have been discussed behind the scenes and your ideas were included. That doesnt mean that your ideas or even most of them are good imo.

Regarding referencing me, there is no need to bring up my name if I'm not involved in a discussion or speaking to you directly. Lets keep it civil. I dont want to have to get personal and really start embarrassing you. If you have a question for me or want my take on something, ask me directly. If you want to respond to a discussion point I've made, respond to that point directly.

If you want to go in another direction and keep mentioning me for no reason, we can go that route but it wont be beneficial to the forum (and the discussion) and it wont be fun for you. So lets keep it civil, OK?

Shuffle step is a bad idea?
Rhythm manipulation is a bad idea?
Increasing body hook speed is a bad idea?
Framing is a bad idea?
Increasing the utility of dominick cruz lunges is a bad idea?
Better footwork is a bad idea?
Having three stances - orthodox, neutral and southpaw is a bad idea?
Using more from ud3 is a bad idea?
Removing frame tax from taller fighters is a bad idea?
Being more esports minded is a bad idea?
Making practice mode better is a bad idea?
Stamina tax for blocked strikes is a bad idea?

Funny several people here agreed with these ideas. Stop claiming you support realism. You clearly don't.

[aholbert32]

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Shuffle step is a bad idea?
Rhythm manipulation is a bad idea?
Increasing body hook speed is a bad idea?
Framing is a bad idea?
Increasing the utility of dominick cruz lunges is a bad idea?
Better footwork is a bad idea?
Having three stances - orthodox, neutral and southpaw is a bad idea?
Using more from ud3 is a bad idea?
Removing frame tax from taller fighters is a bad idea?
Being more esports minded is a bad idea?
Making practice mode better is a bad idea?
Stamina tax for blocked strikes is a bad idea?

Funny several people here agreed with these ideas. Stop claiming you support realism. You clearly don't.

Ok, I dont. You happy now? Can people go back to their discussion with out you referencing your rank or their rank?

I would absolutely debate the pros and cons with someone who is capable of having a discussion with some depth. You dont fall in that category so I wont.
In fact, I discussed things like what to take from UD3, movement improvements, stamina tax for blocked strikes, practice mode and the overall direction of the series before you even a member of OS. I was talking with the devs about that stuff in 2016-2017 and most of those ideas were mentioned by people (not you) on this forum.

Just because an idea pops up in your head, it doesnt mean you were the first to think of it or discuss it when it comes to the game. I know thats tough for your ego but its true. The few ideas that you have presented that I would agree with on its surface tend to be flawed once you drill down...and thats when you get frustrated and lash out.

You have a rigid view that realism is the cure all for this game. My view (and many others here) is a bit more nuanced because we recognize the game has to appeal to many different players. I believe realism should always be considered in every aspect of the game and that it should be a higher priority than balance in most areas. I just recognize that doesnt apply to EVERY area and there are some areas where balance is just as or more important.

Nuance. Now if that means you think I dont care about realism....cool. If you think that I'm actively working against more realism in the game...thats fine too. I dont care because as I said earlier, I dont respect you as a poster so I'm not going to waste time trying to convince you.

[1212headkick]

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Ok, I dont. You happy now? Can people go back to their discussion with out you referencing your rank or their rank?

I would absolutely debate the pros and cons with someone who is capable of having a discussion with some depth. You dont fall in that category so I wont.
In fact, I discussed things like what to take from UD3, movement improvements, stamina tax for blocked strikes, practice mode and the overall direction of the series before you even a member of OS. I was talking with the devs about that stuff in 2016-2017 and most of those ideas were mentioned by people (not you) on this forum.

Just because an idea pops up in your head, it doesnt mean you were the first to think of it or discuss it when it comes to the game. I know thats tough for your ego but its true. The few ideas that you have presented that I would agree with on its surface tend to be flawed once you drill down...and thats when you get frustrated and lash out.

You have a rigid view that realism is the cure all for this game. My view (and many others here) is a bit more nuanced because we recognize the game has to appeal to many different players. I believe realism should always be considered in every aspect of the game and that it should be a higher priority than balance in most areas. I just recognize that doesnt apply to EVERY area and there are some areas where balance is just as or more important.

Nuance. Now if that means you think I dont care about realism....cool. If you think that I'm actively working against more realism in the game...thats fine too. I dont care because as I said earlier, I dont respect you as a poster so I'm not going to waste time trying to convince you.

Your pandering to the bias some have torwards good players. Youve created the notion I am egotistical which is a flat out lie. Again you said my ideas aren't good which ones? Dont dodge the question. Big long paragraphs. No solid rebuttals. Most people by your admission share my thinking. So the community is wrong and only you are right. More strawman fallacies and no solid reason why my ideas are bad? Pure hypocrisy.

[aholbert32]

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Your pandering to the bias some have torwards good players. Youve created the notion I am egotistical which is a flat out lie. Again you said my ideas aren't good which ones? Dont dodge the question. Big long paragraphs. No solid rebuttals. Most people by your admission share my thinking. So the community is wrong and only you are right. More strawman fallacies and no solid reason why my ideas are bad? Pure hypocrisy.

You really have trouble reading sometimes. You are so quick to respond that you dont actually comprehend what you are reading. For example, I said this:

You have a rigid view that realism is the cure all for this game. My view (and many others here) is a bit more nuanced because we recognize the game has to appeal to many different players.

Somehow you read that as me saying that "most people by your admission share my thinking". Huh? Thats the exact opposite of what I said. I said many others have a more nuanced view UNLIKE you.

As I explained to you before: I could go into depth about why some UD3 mechanics are great for the game OVERALL and some arent. I could discuss why an increased stamina tax may not have the effect that you think it will and actually make the game worse. I could talk about how increasing the body hook speed is a bad idea and more.

But why would I with you? You dont really want that. You dont want a discussion. You want people to agree with you, to like your posts and to get credit with coming up with some idea. It feeds your ego and your ego (pride) is tied to your performance in this game.

Others have presented solid reasonable rebuttals to many of your points and you flat out ignore them or change the subject or attack them personally and I'm not interested in playing that game. Primarily because if you take the last path and personally attack me, I will go too far and really embarrass you and we will both get banned.

Thats not good for either of us. So I'm willing to just move on.

[1212headkick]

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You really have trouble reading sometimes. You are so quick to respond that you dont actually comprehend what you are reading. For example, I said this:

You have a rigid view that realism is the cure all for this game. My view (and many others here) is a bit more nuanced because we recognize the game has to appeal to many different players.

Somehow you read that as me saying that "most people by your admission share my thinking". Huh? Thats the exact opposite of what I said. I said many others have a more nuanced view UNLIKE you.

As I explained to you before: I could go into depth about why some UD3 mechanics are great for the game OVERALL and some arent. I could discuss why an increased stamina tax may not have the effect that you think it will and actually make the game worse. I could talk about how increasing the body hook speed is a bad idea and more.

But why would I with you? You dont really want that. You dont want a discussion. You want people to agree with you, to like your posts and to get credit with coming up with some idea. It feeds your ego and your ego (pride) is tied to your performance in this game.



Others have presented solid reasonable rebuttals to many of your points and you flat out ignore them or change the subject or attack them personally and I'm not interested in playing that game. Primarily because if you take the last path and personally attack me, I will go too far and really embarrass you and we will both get banned.

Thats not good for either of us. So I'm willing to just move on.

First your making assumptions as a way to deflect actually debating what Ive been saying for 80+ pages now. What I want I clearly described. I dont care about likes. I care about a proper representation of the sport and because its missing many of the things I listed It in my view and others doesnt represent MMA accurately. You continue to strawman me because you know you really don't have any solid arguments at all and to debate the ideas would show this.


One minute your with the sim crowd. The next your with the "balance" crowd (balance comes from realism not chaotic arcade game mechanics). If you were able to actually debate my ideas and not be triggered by the fact my arguments are more solid and thought out then yours we'd have no problem. Since your incapable of refuting me you attack my character in hopes noone listens counting on that to shut me down. All the while you escape actually being confronted with arguments based on realism.


Your sole goal here is to avoid and deflect situations where examples are given to prove you're wrong. Ive done nothing but present ideas based on facts. Your the one making personal attacks on not just me but others as well. So again which of my ideas are bad? R6 seige didnt improve till it became more realistic. The balance came from realism

[bmlimo]

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Is "putting pressure on someone they never knew existed" a measurable and objective fact that you can test yourself? You forgot to include "Boom roasted" and "10-7 outside fighting", btw.



Pretty poor defense. I've had civil interactions in this thread with Romero, Rommel and phillyboi just to name a few.

Not it all I just think we were having a productive conversation about the game and what things they could do better for UFC 4, but u guys like to make a discussion about everything...

Ps. Don’t need to quote me, I’m focus only in the thread again.

[Lauriedr1ver]

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Can yous not both ignore each other? Just shut the **** up and actually speak about the game. Let's just refresh and start again, no need response to each other, you know who I am talking too.

Anyways I think another angle that needs to be considered is accuracy, the accuracy is far far higher in the game compared to real life.

A few previous ideas on this topic:

Lower the range of moving strikes

IRL most people do not throw strikes while moving an awful lot. Limiting the distance normal moving strikes cover could help people adjust to proper range while fight and cause a lot more shots to miss by a fraction.

Change the command off lunging strikes
Changing the command from a flick, which is unreliable, to something else will make people consciously use these strikes more often creating a dynamic where peolple would choose to mix up stationary, moving and lunging strikes more often.

Decrease accuracy of moving strikes
Increase the chances of strike moving slighly off from the selected target and for it to land just off.

Add better hit detection for shots to hit shoulders, chests and gloves
Allow shots to hit these areas more often lowers the percantage of people getting hit in a realistic manner.

Change small lunges command from stick flick to something more reliable
Increases the chances of these being used more, also make the animation slightly more pronounced to encourage use as well as confirm use.

Add a greater benefit to using stationary strikes
By making these strikes far more accurate and somewhat faster will encourage people to use them more, this decreases chance of peopme getting hit as they arent covering as much distance, but will be more used due to the reasons given.

Add a parry system
Give a new tool that can be used to defence against combos and block breaking, encourages mix ups and more creative combos.

Add arm health decrease
Arm health should decrease over time making blocking less viable. The more you use block the less blocking health you will have in the long run. This is a very realsitic change as fighters deliberately throw high kicks to damage fighters fore arms, which lowers power, speed and there ability to block over time.

Add RT+RB lateral movement
Angling off is essential to not getting hit, currently we can only move back to not get hit. Would work similar to lunges but not as pronouced, would work similarly to multiple small lunges cause the fighter to reset to be able to land.

Add better wresting and takedowns
By making takedowns and wrestling closer to reality it will make people throw less as even if they defend the enitial takedown they still could get taken down.

Add more vulnerabilty for blocking wrong
Blocking wrong should creste a vulnerbailty spike, or at least a greater one. This decreases people from blocking as they would more likely use the other defensive tools.

Greatly reduce the stamina cost of using special movement
Activity encourage people to move more, this would be balanced by giving higher vulnerbailty as well as consistent use be given a long term stamina tax, would have to be worked on a × system rather than active decrease.