Let us see who our opponent is picking

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Let us see who our opponent is picking

I like the idea of allowing us to see letter grade only

So we know if they have a S tier(Jon Jones, FW Mcgregor) or a C tier.

Allow double confirm but you can only switch ONCE.

So if my opponent locks into a C and I pick A tier then the game asks us both if we’re cool with the matchup. My opponent can then switch to S,A, or B tier but is locked into that selection. I’d then be allowed to keep my choice or change tiers.

Only one person allowed to switch at a time, whoever hits it first. 5 second timer to agree before match begins.

[Evil97]

Re: Let us see who our opponent is picking

The issue is that it becomes a race of who gets to pick first. That way the person who gets to pick second will shut down the player who picked first every time. Or will have a deliberate mirror match. I can't believe I have to explain further.

There would be no race. Both players would need to confirm the match once the fighters are selected, and any back and switch would unlock the other. If someone kept wishy washing around, then just go straight to your top pick and be done with it for that fight. You would get many players willing to lock in and agree on lower tier match-ups, especially with an added point incentive. You actually see this play out in the ESFL. Now there are many top tier vs top tier match-ups there, but that also is because those are the best of the best facing each other. Imagine seeing a GT on the other side knowing you could choose a lower tier fighter and be rewarded more with the win. Or just the ability to create a unique match-up against a GT you know is willing to mix it up with the whole roster.

[Kingslayer04]

Re: Let us see who our opponent is picking

There would be no race. Both players would need to confirm the match once the fighters are selected, and any back and switch would unlock the other. If someone kept wishy washing around, then just go straight to your top pick and be done with it for that fight. You would get many players willing to lock in and agree on lower tier match-ups, especially with an added point incentive. You actually see this play out in the ESFL. Now there are many top tier vs top tier match-ups there, but that also is because those are the best of the best facing each other. Imagine seeing a GT on the other side knowing you could choose a lower tier fighter and be rewarded more with the win. Or just the ability to create a unique match-up against a GT you know is willing to mix it up with the whole roster.

This is what I'm skeptical about. Check out Philly's idea on the previous page, it's more nuanced and thought out and I believe it's more likely to yield better results.

That being said, I believe incentivising selecting fighters at random should be a thing too. I don't think too many other suggestions can lead to a myriad of matchups like fighters chosen and locked in at random can.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Let us see who our opponent is picking

This is what I'm skeptical about. Check out Philly's idea on the previous page, it's more nuanced and thought out and I believe it's more likely to yield better results.

That being said, I believe incentivising selecting fighters at random should be a thing too. I don't think too many other suggestions can lead to a myriad of matchups like fighters chosen and locked in at random can.

Bonus points for checking all weight classes and random.

I also like the idea of bonus points for featured fights. Have the game select 5 randoms per day

[Kingslayer04]

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Bonus points for checking all weight classes and random.

I also like the idea of bonus points for featured fights. Have the game select 5 randoms per day

Sure, bonus points, but not +2, it should be significantly more. I guess they should vary depending on what tier fighter you get. I still wouldn't mind if one got slightly more points for getting a Conor at random than if one had selected him.

As for featured fighters, I once suggested each player getting their own set of featured fighters and when they're finished they're automatically renewed at random again.

Points could also be awarded like points to "show" and points to "win", like with fighter contracts. Perhaps just as many as one would need to mitigate an eventual loss as Burns vs Conor to show, and a huge bonus of points if they actually get the victory.

[micmuted]

Re: Let us see who our opponent is picking

You would get many players willing to lock in and agree on lower tier match-ups, especially with an added point incentive. You actually see this play out in the ESFL.

Exactly. Of course you’ll have a lot of people who refuse to use anything but the top s tier rated fighters

But in undisputed and fight night if you or the other person went to choose a lower rated fighter, the other person would usually ‘match’ it by choosing an equally rated fighter (both games did use a double confirmation)

it wasn’t until ea ufc that not seeing who your opponent was choosing became a thing, and it actually made ranked matches way more boring

[FlaccoNumba5]

Re: Let us see who our opponent is picking

unnecessary imo. people are gonna use 1 of about 12 fighters anyway. pick whoever you want. when you blast some khabib with joe duffy feel good about yourself. what i do believe is necessary is more incentives for using lower rated characters. i also feel that those that are using high tier fighters should lose more points when they lose to low tier ones alongside the points they already would’ve lost due to their ranking.

[Solid_Altair]

Re: Let us see who our opponent is picking

I asked a question - he picks McGregor, what do you do?


Edit: sorry, the other poster said they'd pick Ferguson. How does that encourage people to use lower tier fighters?

Because you'd get to try to pick a low tier fighter, but not be doomed to an uphill battle, if the opponent picked a top guy. You'd have a chance to adjust. It really sucks when you pick a B and keep facing As, then you give up and pick an A only to face a B. There are people willing to use lower level fighters, if the match-ups are fair. Blind pick just greatly discourages them.

I'm just repeating a decade old opinion of mine, BTW.

And thanks to Evil for explaining the stuff. Double Confirmation suffers from all kinds of misunderstandings. It saddens me.

[Kingslayer04]

Re: Let us see who our opponent is picking

Because you'd get to try to pick a low tier fighter, but not be doomed to an uphill battle, if the opponent picked a top guy. You'd have a chance to adjust. It really sucks when you pick a B and keep facing As, then you give up and pick an A only to face a B. There are people willing to use lower level fighters, if the match-ups are fair. Blind pick just greatly discourages them.

I'm just repeating a decade old opinion of mine, BTW.

And thanks to Evil for explaining the stuff. Double Confirmation suffers from all kinds of misunderstandings. It saddens me.

Hey listen, I'm just skeptical about people being so noble as to select a B to your B, etc. I'm not against double confirmation per se - Phillyboi suggested a version of it I like better, as I said earlier.

[Solid_Altair]

Re: Let us see who our opponent is picking

Hey listen, I'm just skeptical about people being so noble as to select a B to your B, etc. I'm not against double confirmation per se - Phillyboi suggested a version of it I like better, as I said earlier.

It happens quite a bit in other games.

I also agree with showing only the fighter's level. I think counter-picking among high tier fighters isn't much of a thing in UFC, but it is still a bit of a thing, maybe in some weight classes. So, showing only the fighter level would be ideal, imo; even though that would be less good (than regular DC) at avoiding mirror matches (which is a smaller problem).

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Let us see who our opponent is picking

One more idea for ranked

What if we could choose to connect with only certain letter grade fighters?

For instance only A and S tiers(please add S tier for truly OP guys)

Or A-B, or B and C tier

This would allow people to go into ranked and use favorite fighters without running into S tier dudes.

If you’re confident enough(and want a big bonus) you could still match up with people the standard way as well.

[1212headkick]

Re: Let us see who our opponent is picking

Most games like mk11 have blind picks to avoid counter picks. Horrible idea.

[Solid_Altair]

Re: Let us see who our opponent is picking

Most games like mk11 have blind picks to avoid counter picks. Horrible idea.

Blind pick is ideal in an arcade game, where all fighters are supposed to be on the same level. It seems the new trend is to select the fighter even before you start the search, to speed things up. In SC6 you can select a fighter and search while you play offline. It's awesome.

With a multi-level roster, that's another story, though.

[Solid_Altair]

Re: Let us see who our opponent is picking

One more idea for ranked

What if we could choose to connect with only certain letter grade fighters?

For instance only A and S tiers(please add S tier for truly OP guys)

Or A-B, or B and C tier

This would allow people to go into ranked and use favorite fighters without running into S tier dudes.

If you’re confident enough(and want a big bonus) you could still match up with people the standard way as well.

I'm no expert, but I think this would increase the waiting times a lot. It would also allow people to duck some players and therefore make the leader-boards much less meaningful.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Let us see who our opponent is picking

I'm no expert, but I think this would increase the waiting times a lot. It would also allow people to duck some players and therefore make the leader-boards much less meaningful.

Fair points

What about 2 different leaderboards? Pokemon has had a huge competitive following since forever and they use tiers to separate leaderboards.

So you could have a standard ranked experience and maybe a B and under one.

That also might increase the online playerbase since I think a lot more people would be interested in playing online for B and under. It would also drastically increase the viability of a lot of fighters.

I honestly expect the playerbase to grow with ESPN covering MMA now. As long as the game is released with a lot of positive coverage it has a ton of potential since MMA is becoming mainstream.