Is it too easy to get rocked?

[NEWSS]

Re: Is it too easy to get rocked?

Thanks for the advice really. I appreciate the write up it has a lot of good tips in it. You're right on the combos. Fighters do complain about different things but point taken. Spamming is not something I complain about anymore it is what it is.

My main issue is boxing and making reads. I'll work on that now. Thanks again.

That's me getting destroyed by bum pressure as I'm trying to fight on the outside as Volkov (I quit because the guy at that point was just trying to clown me)

https://youtu.be/i_xVgRljvmk

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[johnmangala]

Re: Is it too easy to get rocked?

That's me getting destroyed by bum pressure as I'm trying to fight on the outside as Volkov (I quit because the guy at that point was just trying to clown me)

https://youtu.be/i_xVgRljvmk

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I would give some advice but I am in the same boat as you. The only advice I have is not to try to be a counter striker right now until you have mastered reading. Reading moves as lead or rear is all I have atm.

Romero, Tomi, LaurieDriver, or Phily can help you out better tips. Anyone have anything to help out News here?

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Is it too easy to get rocked?

That's me getting destroyed by bum pressure as I'm trying to fight on the outside as Volkov (I quit because the guy at that point was just trying to clown me)

https://youtu.be/i_xVgRljvmk

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Romero’s way better than me so go by anything he says

I watched the first couple of minutes and can tell you what went wrong/right. I hope this isn’t too harsh but I wanna help you. I used to go through the same thing.

So what you did right :

Great knees as he was coming it. Decent body hooks after setting up with the hands.

What went wrong:

No push kicks to help create space. No front kicks to punish him coming straight forward.
No uppercuts to attack his constant bodywork.

Also try to be active when circling. What I mean is, instead of relying on lunges and regular movement throw a 1-3 or 2-knee but circle off of the last strike in your combo. He was actively cutting you off which forced you to defend and retreat.

Be ready to punish mistakes. At the 3:31 mark he throws a naked fwd kick. You can blow that up with a straight to the face followed by an uppercut.

At around 3:05 he whiffed a headkick. You hit him with 2 strikes and then dont do anything else while he recovers. You have to be active in those moments to punish overaggressive opponents. They’ll either stop being so aggressive or you’ll get a quick finish.

Also you gotta vary your timing. For the most Everything is 2 strikes. You should mix in 3-4 hit combos. Or fire 2 then immediately another 2. This keeps your opponent from getting a read on your rhythym. He felt way too comfortable standing in front of you.

Last thing I think EVERYONE who hates constant pressure should do. Master the clinch. A lot of people suck at it. Do the practice drill with DC and Rockhold. Whenever someone is chest to chest it’s a damn near auto clinch after you throw a strike or 2.

Hope this helps

[Haz____]

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Last thing I think EVERYONE who hates constant pressure should do. Master the clinch. A lot of people suck at it. Do the practice drill with DC and Rockhold. Whenever someone is chest to chest it’s a damn near auto clinch after you throw a strike or 2.

This 1 is big for me. I hate to admit it even, but against crazy spammers I'll often grab a clinch and force feed them a few body knees. If you can manage to get a body rock, oh man, that's basically game. Once you have a stamina advantage it's usually much easier to start picking them apart.

If I can't drain someone by sticking and moving, I'll try to get the clinch and work those body knees.

Some guys are verrrrrry good at pressure and volume, theyve memorized a few combos and a few mix ups, and the game rewards that low skill style tremendously. Most of these players don't actually have a deep mechanical knowledge however.


I still think volume/pressure is farrr farrr to low risk/high reward at every level of play except the top 5% though. You either have to work 10x harder as the outside/counter guy, and have a VASTLY greater mechanical knowledge, or cheeze them with the clinch.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Is it too easy to get rocked?

This 1 is big for me. I hate to admit it even, but against crazy spammers I'll often grab a clinch and force feed them a few body knees. If you can manage to get a body rock, oh man, that's basically game. Once you have a stamina advantage it's usually much easier to start picking them apart.

If I can't drain someone by sticking and moving, I'll try to get the clinch and work those body knees.

Some guys are verrrrrry good at pressure and volume, theyve memorized a few combos and a few mix ups, and the game rewards that low skill style tremendously. Most of these players don't actually have a deep mechanical knowledge however.


I still think volume/pressure is farrr farrr to low risk/high reward at every level of play except the top 5% though. You either have to work 10x harder as the outside/counter guy, and have a VASTLY greater mechanical knowledge, or cheeze them with the clinch.

So here’s the thing about high volume pressure guys

You only have to dodge ONE strike to get off a very damaging counter. You should start the fight of blocking high and paying attention to their preferred method of breaking the block.

From there adjust accordingly.

They like to lead with jabs? Slip straight combos all day

Hooks? Simply duck or back sway(whenever you duck immediately go to their lead hand to avoid follow up uppercuts).

Everything has an answer. Also minor lunges are under utilized imo. If you counter off of it you get some nice damage

[NEWSS]

Re: Is it too easy to get rocked?

Romero’s way better than me so go by anything he says

I watched the first couple of minutes and can tell you what went wrong/right. I hope this isn’t too harsh but I wanna help you. I used to go through the same thing.

So what you did right :

Great knees as he was coming it. Decent body hooks after setting up with the hands.

What went wrong:

No push kicks to help create space. No front kicks to punish him coming straight forward.
No uppercuts to attack his constant bodywork.

Also try to be active when circling. What I mean is, instead of relying on lunges and regular movement throw a 1-3 or 2-knee but circle off of the last strike in your combo. He was actively cutting you off which forced you to defend and retreat.

Be ready to punish mistakes. At the 3:31 mark he throws a naked fwd kick. You can blow that up with a straight to the face followed by an uppercut.

At around 3:05 he whiffed a headkick. You hit him with 2 strikes and then dont do anything else while he recovers. You have to be active in those moments to punish overaggressive opponents. They’ll either stop being so aggressive or you’ll get a quick finish.

Also you gotta vary your timing. For the most Everything is 2 strikes. You should mix in 3-4 hit combos. Or fire 2 then immediately another 2. This keeps your opponent from getting a read on your rhythym. He felt way too comfortable standing in front of you.

Last thing I think EVERYONE who hates constant pressure should do. Master the clinch. A lot of people suck at it. Do the practice drill with DC and Rockhold. Whenever someone is chest to chest it’s a damn near auto clinch after you throw a strike or 2.

Hope this helps

That wasn't harsh at all no worries. My best bet at this point is to just get proficient with the clinch...

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[Haz____]

Re: Is it too easy to get rocked?

So here’s the thing about high volume pressure guys

You only have to dodge ONE strike to get off a very damaging counter. You should start the fight of blocking high and paying attention to their preferred method of breaking the block.

From there adjust accordingly.

They like to lead with jabs? Slip straight combos all day

Hooks? Simply duck or back sway(whenever you duck immediately go to their lead hand to avoid follow up uppercuts).

Everything has an answer. Also minor lunges are under utilized imo. If you counter off of it you get some nice damage

That kind of proves my point though.

The volume striker can spend an hour in practice mode memorize 3-4 combos and then just mix them up, and that alone will carry him incredibly far.


The outside/counter guy needs to have complete and full understanding of all game mechanics, all defensive techniques, when and where and how to utilize them(with no tutorials and plenty of "hidden" techniques) as well as how to read your opponent, what to look for, what moves counter what moves. To be an outside/counter fighter with any chance at success you need such an incredibly deep and extensive knowledge of the game, as well as the skill and reflexes to pull it off.

You can have an absurdly disproportionate ammount of success as the volume striker with only basic knowldge of game mechanics.


The game does so much to help the volume striker and holds no hands whatsoever for the outside fighter.



This is at every level except for the top top top top players.

You can go on almost any UFC 3 video and it's almost a certainty that people are complaing about spammers or unrealistic volume fighters.


Yet how often do people complain about outside fighters, or "runners"? Basically never. Countless threads and posts about "spammers" and volume pressure being OP, yet has there even been 1 thread made about "runners"???


There is a reason for that.

[aholbert32]

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Yet how often do people complain about outside fighters, or "runners"? Basically never. Countless threads and posts about "spammers" and volume pressure being OP, yet has there even been 1 thread made about "runners"???


There is a reason for that.

The reason is those people dont post on OS.

[Haz____]

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The reason is those people dont post on OS.

Because there's like ~5 of those people in existence. Zombie Rommel is literally the only person I've ever seen complain about running.


You can go on just about any Martial Mind video, Just for example.. Just randomly click on 1. You'll see comments about pressure, and volume being op & annoying damn near every time.




Countless threads, on multiple gaming forums, on Reddit, on facebook, countless comments about pressure and volume, yet I literally never see anyone complain about counter fighters or outside fighting.


It's an easy observation to make. There's nothing to gain by ignoring it.

[aholbert32]

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Because there's like ~5 of those people in existence. Zombie Rommel is literally the only person I've ever seen complain about running.


You can go on just about any Martial Mind video, Just for example.. Just randomly click on 1. You'll see comments about pressure, and volume being op & annoying damn near every time.




Countless threads, on multiple gaming forums, on Reddit, on facebook, countless comments about pressure and volume, yet I literally never see anyone complain about counter fighters or outside fighting.


It's an easy observation to make. There's nothing to gain by ignoring it.

A while back I posted a search I ran on the ESFL discord and I found numerous examples of people complaining about running. I found them by simply using the term "running". It seems to be a regular complaint amongst ranked fighters.

Another example is when I suggested an AI that was purely a counter outside fighter, the devs received feedback from testers complaining about running.

If you want something done, your best argument is that the game should be more realistic and list the reasons why this would benefit EA from a sales and game approval perspective.

I think the "running" complaints are silly and back when I argued gameplay aspects with people, I spent months arguing against it. With that said, arguing that "nobody" complains about running is dead in the water because numerous people outside of OS have complained about it.

[johnmangala]

Re: Is it too easy to get rocked?

Because there's like ~5 of those people in existence. Zombie Rommel is literally the only person I've ever seen complain about running.


You can go on just about any Martial Mind video, Just for example.. Just randomly click on 1. You'll see comments about pressure, and volume being op & annoying damn near every time.




Countless threads, on multiple gaming forums, on Reddit, on facebook, countless comments about pressure and volume, yet I literally never see anyone complain about counter fighters or outside fighting.


It's an easy observation to make. There's nothing to gain by ignoring it.

The thing most exceptional about Martial Mind is his distance management. He's good at range control... I find myself most times deranged now. With proper clinching this can be avoided. It's easier to move linearly than to circle generally.

[Haz____]

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The thing most exceptional about Martial Mind is his distance management. He's good at range control... I find myself most times deranged now. With proper clinching this can be avoided. It's easier to move linearly than to circle generally.

Love watching MM. Def the most legit UFC YouTuber, and GCer. He keeps it legit and realistic, and is amazing at reading patterns.

You still see him struggeling against some super corny stuff though sometimes.

[Haz____]

Re: Is it too easy to get rocked?

As far as stuns/rocks go...

I think it's been shown by a bunch of people, with photos, with videos, that unless you're Romero or some other ultra amazing top top top actually best in the world player, it's super normal to get 5+ rocks a fight.

Do the mechanics work from a gameplay perspective mechanically.
-Yes.


Does it make for good gameplay?
-That's subjective.


Is it realistic?
-No.

[RomeroXVII]

Re: Is it too easy to get rocked?

As far as stuns/rocks go...

I think it's been shown by a bunch of people, with photos, with videos, that unless you're Romero or some other ultra amazing top top top actually best in the world player, it's super normal to get 5+ rocks a fight.

Do the mechanics work from a gameplay perspective mechanically.
-Yes.


Does it make for good gameplay?
-That's subjective.


Is it realistic?
-No.

If EA were to get invested in a new clinch and grappling system, and made things more immersive + more consequences for fighting like a spaz (even though it IS a game and people sometimes just wanna eat, drink and throw spinning sh** at each other) I wonder how much it would help their sales?

They are all about the money, I know the Dev team has been extremely active for this community, Geoff especially has done a great job, if they give that man command over those three things + tweaks with the striking, it'll definitely be worth it.

So as long as corporate greed doesn't get in the way of things, and they do something ridiculous like dumb the game down TOO much in some aspects of the game, then we should be golden.


EDIT: ALSO, just saw your comment about 'cheesing' with the clinch....
Grappling is meant to alleviate pressure and control your opponent/damage when in solid position, I'm sure next game they might do something to where it's much easier to clinch and have more grappling exchanges, the grappling is much easier to understand than the striking, just takes some patience. There's a reason why those same dudes who apparently learn a cycled set of combos (and in that aspect, are PREDICTABLE) say, on quick fight, quit when they get taken down.

Nobody calls Khabib a cheeser for manhandling dudes in the clinch along with his masterful cage work + takedowns, nobody called Overeem a Thai Clinch Cheeser for ramming Knees into Lesnar, nobody said Aldo was 'spamming' leg kicks when he decimated Fabers thighs, nobody said Conor McGregor is cheesing his left hand when he landed those flurries on Alvarez. If you have the tool that is necessary to win (not counting gamebreaking/illogical tracking things), USE IT, and when people respect your grappling, you'll be surprised how the striking exchanges change.

[Haz____]

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Nobody calls Khabib a cheeser for manhandling dudes in the clinch along with his masterful cage work + takedowns, nobody called Overeem a Thai Clinch Cheeser for ramming Knees into Lesnar, nobody said Aldo was 'spamming' leg kicks when he decimated Fabers thighs, nobody said Conor McGregor is cheesing his left hand when he landed those flurries on Alvarez. If you have the tool that is necessary to win (not counting gamebreaking/illogical tracking things), USE IT, and when people respect your grappling, you'll be surprised how the striking exchanges change.

There is a difference between real life, where things are infinitely more dynamic, and abusing/exploiting borderline hidden video game mechanics, which exist in a very tight and limited framework.

When I clinch someone, and they have no idea how to defend because the game never actually tells you, and I abuse that to melt away his stamina with body knees and denials, and then hes basically screwed. Sure it works, it's still exploiting lame arcane game mechanics. I feel lame af doing it