Is it too easy to get rocked?

[johnmangala]

Re: Is it too easy to get rocked?

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I don't think a lot of people utilize the tools available to them in game, and are quick to place everything on block breakers and yada yada.

I rarely see anybody utilizing the minor lunges, the major back lunges when rocked to get out of range, or conversely using side step counters, back lunge straight, block counters etc etc.

Heck, even simple circling does wonders, just ask Advaita_X.

If I fight somebody who's a scrub and has defensive holes all over the place I will generally get one to at most three rocks before finishing the fight. Sometimes I'll just break a dude down with no rocks until the final round and that first KD will be the last.

Styles also have a lot to do with things, and some people simply aren't capable of making reads and capitalizing on their opponents when the opportunity arises.

I think what gets guys rocked too soon, is that they either overcommit/rely on a specific strike or string of combinations and expect not to get hit.

I can't rely on forcing rocks which were easier then than now, and I prefer it to be that way.

I disagree with that

We have blocking, head movement, footwork, lunges , stiff arm retreat, and double legs / clinches are great for defensive purposes.

But how many people are utilizing all of the tools?

I do agree the responsiveness can be a bit of an issue especially with lunges.

The quick fight

Here's the ranked fight that I need advice on in general

[TheGentlemanGhost]

Re: Is it too easy to get rocked?



These fight stats came from a fight I just had and I can definitely say there was a tremendous skill gap, but should I be able to knock someone down 5 times (not rock, but knock down) in the first round and still had to GNP them to finish on that final knock down? We all appreciate good info on how to play the game, but this kind of thing is beyond skill level, it’s a matter of ‘should this happen so frequently?’

It’s an odd dilemma since the devs did increase the sense of danger in this game, but maybe not the most realistic way.

[tomitomitomi]

Re: Is it too easy to get rocked?

I need some advice on striking. I'll upload 2 videos of me being destroyed by superior strikers tomorrow, one in quick fight and another in ranked. I use most of the tools but I feel like my striking is not up to par either way.

Some tips on what to do would be appreciated. I have started spamming hooks and my win/loss ratio skyrocketed but when I try to play defensively I lose 7/10x.

Kinda ironic because you were winning handily in the ranked fight but ended up losing after gassing yourself spamming. I don't feel like writing an essay so I just give three quick pointers and I'll let someone more enthusiastic give more specific tips.

1. You keep throwing random kicks at punching range and kept getting caught. The first KD vs the cage was one such instance.

2. One thing at lower level games that guys love doing is this poor man's version of footsies where you're both standing miles away from each other and keep shuffling back and forth without a purpose. Don't do it for the sake of doing it.

3. Generally speaking it seems like you struggle with controls. It was most apparent when the Holloway missed kicks and you did not respond with a counter attack. The boxing itself was pretty shaky and I'd recommend practicing and sticking to a few basic combos and expand from there.

[johnmangala]

Re: Is it too easy to get rocked?

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Thanks for the advice. My boxing (exchanges) is a weakness, along with reading and reacting accordingly, you're right about that. The issue is I don't know the exact counters in the heat of the moment and I am trying to be a counter striker when it's easier to lead in this game.

However, I starting spamming hooks after losing those fights. Now I am on a 10 fight win streak not worrying about making reads. It still feels like terminator pressure is the meta... especially since the accuracy in the game is very high. Most casuals like to lead, I was like that back in EA UFC 1 and crowding my opponents but I would lose to body 1212. I get why the meta is the way it is but I would like to see a more balanced meta that doesn't skew one way or another.

Having a clinch that isn't so easy to deny would achieve that. The clinch should be easy to grab but also easy to escape. Right now it's hard to grab (especially with TDD/CD stance) and easy to escape. The clinch is one of the main deterrents to pressure, but not so in this game. UD3 did it right.

[WarMMA]

Re: Is it too easy to get rocked?

I feel like all the posters here are stuck in purgatory, destined to repeat the same talking points and opinions over and over until the heat death of the universe.


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Sometimes beating the dead horse might just wake it up, ya know?

[MacGowan]

Re: Is it too easy to get rocked?

I feel like all the posters here are stuck in purgatory, destined to repeat the same talking points and opinions over and over until the heat death of the universe.

Yeah, I'm running out of ways to say the same old thing. I'll just wait 'til the game drops and see what the feedback is.

[tomitomitomi]

Re: Is it too easy to get rocked?

However, I starting spamming hooks after losing those fights. Now I am on a 10 fight win streak not worrying about making reads. It still feels like terminator pressure is the meta...

Assuming you keep winning, you will eventually reach a rank where it stops working.

[RomeroXVII]

Re: Is it too easy to get rocked?

The quick fight

Here's the ranked fight that I need advice on in general

First video is private, I can't see it.


Second video, I'll say this: Oh Division 4. That Holloway wasn't good, but he had a general idea of what to do and that was to really focus on your head with jab straights, and the occasional lead hook. He'll throw a leg kick here or there, but that was really his only focus and that was something you definitely should have queued in on. You take no damage from the jabs and straights when your block gets overcommitted from them

You had a mixed gameplan, but it seemed like you had an issue pulling the trigger.

The clinch entries were good, I think you just need a little bit more practice denying some of those transitions and that would have changed the outcome of the fight.

You kept crowding your own Switch Kicks by landing them in punching range, you would have been way better off simply using the side kick and switching off to the Teep if he whiffed a strike.

Good Straight Lead Hook Uppercut to get the drop. But you hurt yourself later in the fight trying a body kick in punching range, especially against the cage.

When you had him hurt, you allowed him to recover by backing away when your stamina had already recovered, you don't necessarily have to go balls out, but you can put the pressure on the dude to have him feel like he's in danger.

Also, the only thing I believe that's spammable on the feet, is something that can be done repeatedly and has a ridiculously small window to counter with very little consequences or forces you to play a certain way to beat it, and that's the broken jab feint body straight.

At a minimum you were alternating from the little jab to the body and the switch kick repeatedly, is that spamming? No! It's a FIGHT, fighters don't go to refs and say 'He's spamming jabs to my body'. If somebody is just throwing hooks (You saying you were spamming hooks) and they're not: Kicking your legs when you're out of range, ducking them to set up a clinch entry, ducking or pull countering them, using the back lunge to punish, then that's ON THEM.

When you have an opponent backing up after their little barrage of punches, or after your own, it's good to follow up with kicks that are set up by punches rather than throwing them naked. A Jab Lead Lead Hook Body Kick, or Jab Spinning Body Side Kick timed correctly would have done wonders for you to create space and to frustrate your opponent.


But yeah, you definitely should have utilized Zabit's side kicks, knees, kickboxing and Traditional combinations a little bit more if you wanted to keep things on the outside. Have a gameplan and be consistent with it, but always have a plan B and C if things aren't going your way.

https://youtu.be/z8e7C4icTZM @32:01 to watch me have success being on the backfoot with Stephen Thompson.


I also recently uploaded a series of ranked fights (Division 6) where it was moderately difficult for me to get the win, you should definitely take a look at those and mainly look at the adjustments made.

https://youtu.be/-VPrpkFnYy4

Fundamentally you need to use the strengths of your fighter, in Division 4 a vast majority of those players just simply throw what they know, it's supposed to be the start up division for a reason.

Make a decision on keeping combinations short in the pocket and using your tools (teeps, side kicks, knees, lead hand push, retreating jabs and lunging straights) to alleviate pressure if you REALLY want to play on the outside.

[johnmangala]

Re: Is it too easy to get rocked?

First video is private, I can't see it.


Second video, I'll say this: Oh Division 4. That Holloway wasn't good, but he had a general idea of what to do and that was to really focus on your head with jab straights, and the occasional lead hook. He'll throw a leg kick here or there, but that was really his only focus and that was something you definitely should have queued in on. You take no damage from the jabs and straights when your block gets overcommitted from them

You had a mixed gameplan, but it seemed like you had an issue pulling the trigger.

The clinch entries were good, I think you just need a little bit more practice denying some of those transitions and that would have changed the outcome of the fight.

You kept crowding your own Switch Kicks by landing them in punching range, you would have been way better off simply using the side kick and switching off to the Teep if he whiffed a strike.

Good Straight Lead Hook Uppercut to get the drop. But you hurt yourself later in the fight trying a body kick in punching range, especially against the cage.

When you had him hurt, you allowed him to recover by backing away when your stamina had already recovered, you don't necessarily have to go balls out, but you can put the pressure on the dude to have him feel like he's in danger.

Also, the only thing I believe that's spammable on the feet, is something that can be done repeatedly and has a ridiculously small window to counter with very little consequences or forces you to play a certain way to beat it, and that's the broken jab feint body straight.

At a minimum you were alternating from the little jab to the body and the switch kick repeatedly, is that spamming? No! It's a FIGHT, fighters don't go to refs and say 'He's spamming jabs to my body'. If somebody is just throwing hooks (You saying you were spamming hooks) and they're not: Kicking your legs when you're out of range, ducking them to set up a clinch entry, ducking or pull countering them, using the back lunge to punish, then that's ON THEM.

When you have an opponent backing up after their little barrage of punches, or after your own, it's good to follow up with kicks that are set up by punches rather than throwing them naked. A Jab Lead Lead Hook Body Kick, or Jab Spinning Body Side Kick timed correctly would have done wonders for you to create space and to frustrate your opponent.


But yeah, you definitely should have utilized Zabit's side kicks, knees, kickboxing and Traditional combinations a little bit more if you wanted to keep things on the outside. Have a gameplan and be consistent with it, but always have a plan B and C if things aren't going your way.

https://youtu.be/z8e7C4icTZM @32:01 to watch me have success being on the backfoot with Stephen Thompson.


I also recently uploaded a series of ranked fights (Division 6) where it was moderately difficult for me to get the win, you should definitely take a look at those and mainly look at the adjustments made.

https://youtu.be/-VPrpkFnYy4

Fundamentally you need to use the strengths of your fighter, in Division 4 a vast majority of those players just simply throw what they know, it's supposed to be the start up division for a reason.

Make a decision on keeping combinations short in the pocket and using your tools (teeps, side kicks, knees, lead hand push, retreating jabs and lunging straights) to alleviate pressure if you REALLY want to play on the outside.

Thanks for the advice really. I appreciate the write up it has a lot of good tips in it. You're right on the combos. Fighters do complain about different things but point taken. Spamming is not something I complain about anymore it is what it is.

My main issue is boxing and making reads. I'll work on that now. Thanks again.

[johnmangala]

Re: Is it too easy to get rocked?

Assuming you keep winning, you will eventually reach a rank where it stops working.

That's good to read. At the higher levels it does seem like counter striking is easier once you know how to read your opponent and react accordingly. I lack that now so it hinders my game.

I have found reading moves as lead or rear makes it easier to digest than left or right since it flips from stance switches.

First video is private, I can't see it.

Here I have unlisted the quick fight video so it should be visible now. I appreciate any input.

[RomeroXVII]

Re: Is it too easy to get rocked?

That's good to read. At the higher levels it does seem like counter striking is easier once you know how to read your opponent and react accordingly. I lack that now so it hinders my game.

I have found reading moves as lead or rear makes it easier to digest than left or right since it flips from stance switches.

Here I have unlisted the quick fight video so it should be visible now. I appreciate any input.

Too much waiting, you had so many opportunities to really make your opponent pay for having low term stamina, you did some good sways but never capitalized.

That lead uppercut was always there for when he lowered his level and went for lead body hooks followed up by the rear body hook.

He was extremely reckless, but you essentially allowed him to let loose without any punishment. He knows what combinations work best for him and in your case, akin to Zabit, you're very hesitant + timing is off + not utilizing what your character is best at, which is volume striking and boxing combinations with the occasional kick here or there.

He was throwing that hook to the lead side of your block a lot, the block counter was available as well. Check that out here:

https://youtu.be/lDoxnYZ98Y0

If he's a friend I'll fight him for you just to show you where you could capitalize, I don't mind.

Here's the entire Striking Guide playlist I have:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgWllay_kqfeM5rhGHhJBqpYkzynElRWz

[BigSmoke]

Re: Is it too easy to get rocked?

I feel stuns are too easy because KO''s take forever sometimes. I shouldn't be stunning a guy 9-10 times in a fight and dropping him 4-5 on the regular. Punches simply don't do enough damage, most of these fights should be done after 2-3 stuns and a knockdown or two. Reserve the rockem sockem robots for guys with the chin stat, Overeem shouldn't be able to go rockem sockem with Ngannou, but he sure as hell can in this game cuz the damage system is God awful.

[NEWSS]

Re: Is it too easy to get rocked?

The quick fight

Here's the ranked fight that I need advice on in general

I think you were doing quite well, you were being way more technical than your opponent (quick fight especially). Unfortunately this kind of pressure can be tough to deal with, I have the same difficulties (div. 4 too). They can just cycle through combos while you have to read patterns, have great timing etc.

[Kingslayer04]

Re: Is it too easy to get rocked?

I feel like all the posters here are stuck in purgatory, destined to repeat the same talking points and opinions over and over until the heat death of the universe.


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Posting about the things you find important during the development stages of an upcoming game, in a forum made for that purpose. What a strange notion, huh?

[Lauriedr1ver]

Re: Is it too easy to get rocked?

Anyone fancy a game on xbox at some time. I haven't played in months so coming back from a time away could give a different perspective on the topic. FCB x Finlay x