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  • BQ32
    Pro
    • Jan 2011
    • 671

    #16
    Re: Only way to stop a takedown is to predeny-Subs vs ai are broken.

    Originally posted by ZHunter1990
    The claim that you have to pre deny to stop a takedown is 100% incorrect. I stuff more takedowns than I get taken down. Its much easier to get a TD than it was in UFC3, but you definitely do not have to pre deny. There are so many layers to the takedowns that you are likely not understanding.
    Sorry your wrong, you do have to pre-deny, at least in every matchup I have tried. It has been tested thoroughly, and already acknowledged that it is not working as intended. A big portion of the takedown mechanics is not even being showcased because of the denial window not being what it should.

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    • RollTideRoll0929
      Rookie
      • Jun 2019
      • 330

      #17
      Re: Only way to stop a takedown is to predeny-Subs vs ai are broken.

      I may just suck, that could be s distinct possibility lol. On a serious note you must have the reflexes of a ninja if you can deny the takedowns upon seeing your opponent shoot. I wish I could.......teach me, sensei🙏

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      • RyanFitzmagic
        MVP
        • Oct 2011
        • 1959

        #18
        Re: Only way to stop a takedown is to predeny-Subs vs ai are broken.

        Originally posted by BQ32
        Sorry your wrong, you do have to pre-deny, at least in every matchup I have tried. It has been tested thoroughly, and already acknowledged that it is not working as intended. A big portion of the takedown mechanics is not even being showcased because of the denial window not being what it should.
        Videos literally exist of takedowns being stuffed without pre-denials. You're the one who's wrong.

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        • ZHunter1990
          EA Game Changer
          • Jan 2016
          • 572

          #19
          Re: Only way to stop a takedown is to predeny-Subs vs ai are broken.

          Originally posted by BQ32
          Sorry your wrong, you do have to pre-deny, at least in every matchup I have tried. It has been tested thoroughly, and already acknowledged that it is not working as intended. A big portion of the takedown mechanics is not even being showcased because of the denial window not being what it should.
          I'm not wrong.

          Do you have any stick drift on your controller?

          Are you holding either analogue stick at ALL when the person shoots for a TD?

          In other words, when you are moving backwards and your opponent shoots, are you letting go of the LS(movement) before pressing RT+LT?
          Half of this game is 90% mental - Tim Sylvia
          Xbox GT: ZHunter90/ZackJitsu

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          • Tyeanisbae
            Rookie
            • Jul 2018
            • 128

            #20
            Re: Only way to stop a takedown is to predeny-Subs vs ai are broken.

            Originally posted by mannyonelover
            Wondering if it’s possible to implement UFC 3 submission gates system as an option...?
            Not gonna lie I’m not really fond of this new submission system especially with the screen going red...Seems kind of cheesy


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            You can turn the screen thing off and if you turn the circle slowly and start from the left side your bar will be small it simulates not panicking and it’s pretty easy and simple once you try it a couple of times


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            • WarMMA
              MVP
              • Apr 2016
              • 4612

              #21
              Re: Only way to stop a takedown is to predeny-Subs vs ai are broken.

              Hmm...idk if im doing the rightthings, but im kinda exeriencing the same. If i dont pre deny, im always getting taken down. Its like you cant defend on reaction. I kno i read that you can defend late and on the drives on something GPD wrote up, but it doesnt seem to be working for me. Really wish the practice mode was in so i cud do some lab on it.

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              • Tyeanisbae
                Rookie
                • Jul 2018
                • 128

                #22
                Re: Only way to stop a takedown is to predeny-Subs vs ai are broken.

                Originally posted by ZHunter1990
                I'm not wrong.



                Do you have any stick drift on your controller?



                Are you holding either analogue stick at ALL when the person shoots for a TD?



                In other words, when you are moving backwards and your opponent shoots, are you letting go of the LS(movement) before pressing RT+LT?


                So is the trick to release the left stick and right stick before pressing L2 and R2 to block the takedowns and the using the left stick backwards to sprawl or follow the drive?


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                • ZHunter1990
                  EA Game Changer
                  • Jan 2016
                  • 572

                  #23
                  Re: Only way to stop a takedown is to predeny-Subs vs ai are broken.

                  Originally posted by Tyeanisbae
                  So is the trick to release the left stick and right stick before pressing L2 and R2 to block the takedowns and the using the left stick backwards to sprawl or follow the drive?


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                  You got it!

                  If you're holding the L stick when you hit RT+LT the game will read that as a whiffed drive takedown denial. Resulting in you being taken down instantly.
                  Half of this game is 90% mental - Tim Sylvia
                  Xbox GT: ZHunter90/ZackJitsu

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                  • RollTideRoll0929
                    Rookie
                    • Jun 2019
                    • 330

                    #24
                    Re: Only way to stop a takedown is to predeny-Subs vs ai are broken.

                    Originally posted by ZHunter1990
                    You got it!

                    If you're holding the L stick when you hit RT+LT the game will read that as a whiffed drive takedown denial. Resulting in you being taken down instantly.
                    OHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!

                    That uh, actually makes sense!

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                    • BQ32
                      Pro
                      • Jan 2011
                      • 671

                      #25
                      Re: Only way to stop a takedown is to predeny-Subs vs ai are broken.

                      So I have to apologize in this thread. I was wrong. I have been stuffing many takedowns now thanks to a game changer explaining how it is done. I guess that is the importance of some actual explanation to the systems to keep us all from looking like fools. But also to help get accurate feedback. Now I would have to completely retest to know if the takedown game in imbalanced or not and will not have time to give any kind of feedback that might be valuable on the matter.

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                      • SuperNoVa27
                        Pro
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 898

                        #26
                        Re: Only way to stop a takedown is to predeny-Subs vs ai are broken.

                        I don’t think it’s possible to escape a limb submission from the Legendary AI

                        I’ve escaped plenty chokes but the AI is on top of you immediately and you can’t shake them. Regardless of if you’re taking your time or moving erratically.

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                        • Falseperception
                          Rookie
                          • Jan 2018
                          • 236

                          #27
                          Re: Only way to stop a takedown is to predeny-Subs vs ai are broken.

                          Luckily After 150 +fights Im finally getting the hang of limb subs.. haha, still no luck on chokes... Denying takedowns is easy enough. Striking from on the ground seems overpowered in comparison to standing. I can Hit a ton of flying knees head kicks etc in a row without a finish but 5 strikes on the ground and its over every time.. Refs should prob let those positions go longer like in real life, Its rare to see gnp finish guys in real life unless they have been rocked on the feet first.

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                          • Counter Punch
                            Pro
                            • Apr 2018
                            • 949

                            #28
                            Re: Only way to stop a takedown is to predeny-Subs vs ai are broken.

                            Originally posted by ZHunter1990
                            You got it!

                            If you're holding the L stick when you hit RT+LT the game will read that as a whiffed drive takedown denial. Resulting in you being taken down instantly.
                            Wait... so you have to be standing still when they attempt to take you down or you instantly get taken down?

                            What do you mean by “whiffed drive takedown denial”? Do you have to be moving to deny a “driving takedown”?

                            any clarification would be lovely. Thanks.
                            ...precision beats power and timing beats speed... and realism beats meta.

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                            • ZHunter1990
                              EA Game Changer
                              • Jan 2016
                              • 572

                              #29
                              Re: Only way to stop a takedown is to predeny-Subs vs ai are broken.

                              Originally posted by Counter Punch
                              Wait... so you have to be standing still when they attempt to take you down or you instantly get taken down?

                              What do you mean by “whiffed drive takedown denial”? Do you have to be moving to deny a “driving takedown”?

                              any clarification would be lovely. Thanks.
                              Technically yes,
                              But its not as difficult as it sounds once you get used to it.

                              The L stick is how you deny chained turning takedowns, you match the direction with your L stick.

                              So any input on the left stick will read as you tried to deny a turning takedown. Essentially like whiffing a transition denial, then they get a free transition.
                              Half of this game is 90% mental - Tim Sylvia
                              Xbox GT: ZHunter90/ZackJitsu

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                              • ZHunter1990
                                EA Game Changer
                                • Jan 2016
                                • 572

                                #30
                                Re: Only way to stop a takedown is to predeny-Subs vs ai are broken.

                                Originally posted by BQ32
                                So I have to apologize in this thread. I was wrong. I have been stuffing many takedowns now thanks to a game changer explaining how it is done. I guess that is the importance of some actual explanation to the systems to keep us all from looking like fools. But also to help get accurate feedback. Now I would have to completely retest to know if the takedown game in imbalanced or not and will not have time to give any kind of feedback that might be valuable on the matter.
                                Once the game drops, I'll be able to do a write up for little stuff like this. But yeah, its difficult without any guide explaining things.
                                Half of this game is 90% mental - Tim Sylvia
                                Xbox GT: ZHunter90/ZackJitsu

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