Jiu-Jitsu in UFC 4 is DEADLY

[VitoBurrito]

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Also for those of you that don’t want to actually learn the sub mechanics or clinch mechanics I say go play stand and bang. Don’t dumb don’t the game to satiate casuals.

Those of us that like big skill gaps in games need room to grow. After all we will be the ones playing this game till Ufc 5.

Don’t dumb down the game for casuals? They have been dumbing down the game from the start, it’s near a one handed mobile game

[ryangil23]

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Lol don’t dumb it down anymore.

Auto postures, auto sweeps and a button mash clinch system that has 1 position without having to do some bs like intentionally bailing on takedowns or something. Couldn’t be dumbed down much more really.

[rebel8pig]

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After getting used to the mechanics ive escaped subs and locked in a lot of chokes. Gotta get the feel for it. I think people have to be patient and «learn» before screaming nerf/buff.

[capnlarge]

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I feel like the choke mini-game is particularly obnoxious this year. Sounds like Electro from Amazing Spiderman 2

[Therebelyell626]

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I think the subs are fine right now. On UFC 3 once I mastered the sub gates system I was pretty much able to submit the AI on any difficulty regardless of their stamina or damage. I like how sometimes I get it and sometimes I don’t. It puts pressure on the grapplers in the game to really pick their spots and go for the submissions at the right times. Just my opinion

[capnlarge]

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I kinda miss button mashing. At least with mashing, you don't need ridiculous meters and gauges on the screen reminding you that you're playing a video game. (Plus, I am a pretty decent button masher LOL)

[SlimmerFredette]

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for all those saying it's balanced and that we just need to relax and learn....please post videos of your fights that show that, because the video in OP shows so many glaring issues about how stamina and the minigame intersect.

[RetractedMonkey]

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for all those saying it's balanced and that we just need to relax and learn....please post videos of your fights that show that, because the video in OP shows so many glaring issues about how stamina and the minigame intersect.

That’s not how it works. You can’t prove a negative. It’s up to you to post videos of you getting stomped by pressure and dudes with endless stamina. Because there isn’t one video out there showing dudes whiffing 200 strikes and having full stamina. Just guys ranting about post fight stats that are obviously inflated for the benefit of their argument.


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[iverson91]

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I felt this way for about an hour, then the novelty wore off, same old generic ea, I’m already bored of it, 8 hours left on the trial and I went ahead and deleted it

I agree, the lack of any substantial change to the ground game is probably gonna make me get tired of the game way quicker. I hope whatever budget they have left or ability to mocap can be done on the ground game and adding new positions or animations. I highly doubt it tho since it doesn't seem to be a priority to them.

[NewSkiLLZZ]

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That’s not how it works. You can’t prove a negative. It’s up to you to post videos of you getting stomped by pressure and dudes with endless stamina. Because there isn’t one video out there showing dudes whiffing 200 strikes and having full stamina. Just guys ranting about post fight stats that are obviously inflated for the benefit of their argument.


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?

I'm sure a lot of people are going to Hakeem video of Volk just spamming combos and not getting really any stamina drop while he also was whiffing punches. Also stopping power is pretty non-existent in this game where you can slip a jab come back with a hook with no reaction and they can overhand.

But this isn't even the biggest part where you have people headlocking and then draining all your stamina somehow which makes zero sense. I've had a guy dive at my foot 4 times in a row for an ankle takedown and lose ZERO stamina.

[WarMMA]

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The submissions are good yes, but not enough threat imo. Like where are the GnP strike counters into sub attempts from bottom? That's what truly makes submission fighters a real threat. If they can counter your GnP strikes into sub attempts, it means you now have to be more careful with how you GnP and you can't go crazy with it against a skiled player. That definitely needs to be an option for submission fighters from bottom, if it isn't already. I haven't seen anything, so i'm assuming it's not there anymore? But if you think the submissions are deadly now, you'll see a whole other lvl of deadly if they add that. Imagine guys like Werdum, Big Nog or Maia being able to quickly counter GnP strikes into submission attempts from positions like guard, half guard, stacked guard...all of a sudden now they become even more of a threat.

[SMOKEZERO]

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The submissions are terrible now, even more dumbed down and further away from tbs. Do 1 thing until there is a result, spin the wheel or milk the cow. At least with the gates you had a better sense of struggle, attacker had to advance each phase, and far more strategy like bailing for position. There was a lot of improvements they could have done with the gate system as well, like muscle modifiers similar to the getups, along with submission and position counters. As soon as this newness wears off you’ll realize this was to further cater to the casuals. If you were skilled at the sub game in UFC 3 it really showed. JiuJitsu in UFC 4 is a mess.


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[SlimmerFredette]

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That’s not how it works. You can’t prove a negative. It’s up to you to post videos of you getting stomped by pressure and dudes with endless stamina. Because there isn’t one video out there showing dudes whiffing 200 strikes and having full stamina. Just guys ranting about post fight stats that are obviously inflated for the benefit of their argument.


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huh? I'm not talking about striking. This thread is about submissions. OP has a video showing what I'm talking about.

[RetractedMonkey]

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huh? I'm not talking about striking. This thread is about submissions. OP has a video showing what I'm talking about.

Well, this is my bad then. I’m used to threads getting derailed and I’ve not heard of people saying subs are OP because of stamina issues except for the headlock or back pack.

I’m undecided on other subs currently.


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[DCowboys22]

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The submissions are good yes, but not enough threat imo. Like where are the GnP strike counters into sub attempts from bottom? That's what truly makes submission fighters a real threat. If they can counter your GnP strikes into sub attempts, it means you now have to be more careful with how you GnP and you can't go crazy with it against a skiled player. That definitely needs to be an option for submission fighters from bottom, if it isn't already. I haven't seen anything, so i'm assuming it's not there anymore? But if you think the submissions are deadly now, you'll see a whole other lvl of deadly if they add that. Imagine guys like Werdum, Big Nog or Maia being able to quickly counter GnP strikes into submission attempts from positions like guard, half guard, stacked guard...all of a sudden now they become even more of a threat.

I love the idea of strike catching to submissions from GnP.

Right now, posting Hooks is done with L1 and right Analog Left/Right. Just add R1 for Strike catching subs.

Hold L1/R1 and properly time the incoming hook in the proper direction Left/Right.

This would be fighter specific for guys with high bottom sub game/guard specialists.

The hard part is adding proper animations for this, but it can be done.


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