Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

[aholbert32]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

One interesting thing I noticed is that on discord they say we have better feedback on OS than on discord. But here they say OS is a wasteland of trolls and discord is better.

That sounds like sour grapes. OS had YEARS of direct access to the lead gameplay dev and the AI dev. More access than every other community.

Some of the people here recognized that were and were respectful. Because of that 4 people from this place were chosen to be GCs last year and are continuing to give input.

Many of the people here didnt respect that and built an environment where many of the GCs and the devs sporadically interact.

Instead of complaining about that, the focus here should be on rebuilding this forum so that its seen as a place where the devs and GCs can get consistent, intelligent and effective feedback.

[johnmangala]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

That sounds like sour grapes. OS had YEARS of direct access to the lead gameplay dev and the AI dev. More access than every other community.

Some of the people here recognized that were and were respectful. Because of that 4 people from this place were chosen to be GCs last year and are continuing to give input.

Many of the people here didnt respect that and built an environment where many of the GCs and the devs sporadically interact.

Instead of complaining about that, the focus here should be on rebuilding this forum so that its seen as a place where the devs and GCs can get consistent, intelligent and effective feedback.

Yeah I think the forum is in a better place now. Less trolls and the devs are starting to interact more again. Tap or snap used to never reply now he's replying again.

[aholbert32]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

Yeah I think the forum is in a better place now. Less trolls and the devs are starting to interact more again. Tap or snap used to never reply now he's replying again.

Maybe but maybe not. Just last month, there was a guy "Windtear" who was trolling nonstop for multiple weeks before he eventually crossed the line and got banned. All the while, people are liking and cheering on every single post he makes.

I'm not saying people cant bash the game. There are a TON of issues I have with the game. I'm overall unhappy with the direction of the series. But it doesnt help to come here and do nothing but bash and not provide constructive criticism.

This forum can be a place where people just vent about the game and thats fine. Just dont expect alot of the interaction that OSers are used to having.

Or it can be a place where people discuss ways to improve the game (even if those ideas may not happen). Part of that responsibility lands on the people who regularly post here to police that.

[Mister_No_Name]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

Anybody have the discord link for this game?

[Morgan Monkman]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

I much prefer OS for discussion. You literally can’t even have a conversation on discord because there are constantly 3-4 brain dead people just spamming chat talking complete nonsense.

[Skynet]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

https://discord.com/channels/7250429...42928560636049 might do the trick for you, but generally yes it's easier to have longer conversations on single topics in the forums. Discord chat moves too quickly and doesn't let you come and go in a convo.

[Haz____]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

"troll" is highly subjective.


Windtear made a lot of good points.

[tomitomitomi]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

"troll" is highly subjective.


Windtear made a lot of good points.

His issue was obviously his rhetoric, not his opinions.

[aholbert32]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

"troll" is highly subjective.


Windtear made a lot of good points.

I didnt want to identify you directly but since you chose to speak you are one of the main people who encourages those kinds of posts and encourages that type of environment.

Tomi made the point. No one gives a **** if you hate the game. I dont give a **** if you hate EA. I dont give a **** if you dont buy the game. I dont give a **** if you have nothing but negative things to say about it. Have whatever opinion you want.

But it also comes down to how you communicate those opinions and when people like you are constantly cheerleading those opinions with your likes, it creates the environment we have and the lack of consistent dev interaction.

I'm not here to preach but you cant have it both ways. You cant complain about why the devs dont listen or wont communicate with OSers and then encourage an environment filled with that kind of rhetoric.

[Therebelyell626]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

I didnt want to identify you directly but since you chose to speak you are one of the main people who encourages those kinds of posts and encourages that type of environment.

Tomi made the point. No one gives a **** if you hate the game. I dont give a **** if you hate EA. I dont give a **** if you dont buy the game. I dont give a **** if you have nothing but negative things to say about it. Have whatever opinion you want.

But it also comes down to how you communicate those opinions and when people like you are constantly cheerleading those opinions with your likes, it creates the environment we have and the lack of consistent dev interaction.

I'm not here to preach but you cant have it both ways. You cant complain about why the devs dont listen or wont communicate with OSers and then encourage an environment filled with that kind of rhetoric.

I don’t post in this section much anymore because I do not like UFC 4, and have had no desire to touch it since my 10 hour trial. But I check it frequently because I have been a fan of mma games all the way back to undisputed 2009.

I feel this series has taken several steps back since UFC 2. People can act like the devs don’t come here because of “trolls” or “rhetoric”, but the truth be told I really feel like they could care less. They truly believe they made a great game and all of us that don’t think it’s a great game are crazy.

They have chosen to go a direction that caters to casuals and be a fortnite like experience. They have no interest in replicating the sport realistically and that’s their prerogative. They feel they can make more money this way, and hey more power to them.

But if anyone thinks that providing positive and coherent feedback is changing the direction of this series well.... I am afraid that ship has sailed

[Kingslayer04]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

I don’t post in this section much anymore because I do not like UFC 4, and have had no desire to touch it since my 10 hour trial. But I check it frequently because I have been a fan of mma games all the way back to undisputed 2009.

I feel this series has taken several steps back since UFC 2. People can act like the devs don’t come here because of “trolls” or “rhetoric”, but the truth be told I really feel like they could care less. They truly believe they made a great game and all of us that don’t think it’s a great game are crazy.

They have chosen to go a direction that caters to casuals and be a fortnite like experience. They have no interest in replicating the sport realistically and that’s their prerogative. They feel they can make more money this way, and hey more power to them.

But if anyone thinks that providing positive and coherent feedback is changing the direction of this series well.... I am afraid that ship has sailed

What's also mindboggling to me is the likes of Skynet genuinely (or not so genuinely) thinking that with UFC 4 they're catering to all sets of players and they care about everyone in equal measure.

I remember that house analogy a few months ago and I also remember aholbert intervening about it, which I appreciate. Now I'm seeing a sarcastic "because we don't care about real fans" remark in the "Slowing the pace down" thread and some attempt to deflect the criticism towards the lack of control options to the players themselves.

No, the truth is you just don't want people to be able to control their opponent like that because of the casuals, who are the people you care about in general. GPD didn't really shy away from all that, he laid it out as it is. Own it.

[TheRizzzle]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

What's also mindboggling to me is the likes of Skynet genuinely (or not so genuinely) thinking that with UFC 4 they're catering to all sets of players and they care about everyone in equal measure.



I remember that house analogy a few months ago and I also remember aholbert intervening about it, which I appreciate. Now I'm seeing a sarcastic "because we don't care about real fans" remark in the "Slowing the pace down" thread and some attempt to deflect the criticism towards the lack of control options to the players themselves.



No, the truth is you just don't want people to be able to control their opponent like that because of the casuals, who are the people you care about in general. GPD didn't really shy away from all that, he laid it out as it is. Own it.

Quite simply, you can't make an ultra realistic sports title video game for a niche sport (here come the pitch forks) and expect it to become popular right away.

Now can you gradually ease the player base into more realistic features as the game moves along? That's kind of our best hope but that depends on the goal of the UFC and EA Sports.

You've got to realize this isn't the same UFC from the Undisputed era. They are much more in the "create streams of revenue" phase of the company's development than the "stewards of the sport" phase now.

This means that above almost anything else, the UFC is looking for the dev team to hit certain sales numbers. Beyond completely bastardizing their brand, they will allow for a lot of catering to casuals if it means more sales.

Believe me, the UFC is the type of organization that will want final approval on most stuff. But they want money above almost all else.

So without probably being able to say it, the devs probably try to carve out as much realism into the game as they can, while not killing sales in the process.

If a feature doesn't create a sale but won't lose it either, it might get added. If it could cost sales, it doesn't matter what it is, it's probabky not making the cut.

It's a tough ask and we have every right to not like it. But you can only truly tell them you don't like it by voting with your dollar and then living with the consequences.

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[Kingslayer04]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

Quite simply, you can't make an ultra realistic sports title video game for a niche sport (here come the pitch forks) and expect it to become popular right away.

Now can you gradually ease the player base into more realistic features as the game moves along? That's kind of our best hope but that depends on the goal of the UFC and EA Sports.

You've got to realize this isn't the same UFC from the Undisputed era. They are much more in the "create streams of revenue" phase of the company's development than the "stewards of the sport" phase now.

This means that above almost anything else, the UFC is looking for the dev team to hit certain sales numbers. Beyond completely bastardizing their brand, they will allow for a lot of catering to casuals if it means more sales.

Believe me, the UFC is the type of organization that will want final approval on most stuff. But they want money above almost all else.

So without probably being able to say it, the devs probably try to carve out as much realism into the game as they can, while not killing sales in the process.

It's a tough ask and we have every right to not like it. But you can only truly tell them you don't like it by voting with your dollar and then living with the consequences.

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There's no need to lecture me on how a business works, man, I get it. This post's intention wasn't to "steer the game in the right direction", I'm long past this. I'm just expressing how amazed I am by how Skynet acts on here. Oh, and I haven't bought the game.

[TheRizzzle]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

There's no need to lecture me on how a business works, man, I get it. This post's intention wasn't to "steer the game in the right direction", I'm long past this. I'm just expressing how amazed I am by how Skynet acts on here. Oh, and I haven't bought the game.

Wasn't a lecture and just because I quoted you doesn't mean I was necessarily talking to you. Apologies if you took it that way.

But this thread is about "why are the forums like this?" and it's clear some in this community don't understand a lot of these basic concepts. I can understand the devs frustration. I'd honestly be in the "not gonna interact" camp if I was in their shoes.



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[Kingslayer04]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

Wasn't a lecture and just because I quoted you doesn't mean I was necessarily talking to you. Apologies if you took it that way.

But this thread is about "why are the forums like this?" and it's clear some in this community don't understand a lot of these basic concepts. I can understand the devs frustration. I'd honestly be in the "not gonna interact" camp if I was in their shoes.



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While I think developer interaction is pretty neat, and for UFC 3 it was really great, I'm not sure what the point of that interaction would be for UFC 4, barring QnAs.

This is a rather hardcore-based forum. And unless you suggest new colour patterns for the new jackets or something to simplify things even more for the casuals, what could you possibly hope to contribute? They don't care about you and your ideas. All that we fought to accomplish for UFC 3 by interacting with the devs has practically been erased in one fell swoop. Advice on realism to an arcade-driven dev team just doesn't make any sense to me. Game depth suggestions in terms of modes and creation have fallen on deaf ears as well.

I don't mean to push the devs away, some people probably find the whole thing useful after all. I'm just thinking out loud here.