OS Official UFC Undisputed Strategy and Help Thread

[Stumbleweed]

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Button mashing or rotating? I turned on the stamina bar just to see how low I could get Rua before I could submit him with Chuck. I know Chuck isn't good at subs but w/e. Anyway I had Rua down to 1/4 life by the end of the first round. I would keep powerbombing him when in his guard, throw a punch or two when in standing gaurd then get back down and powerbomb him again. By the end of the 2nd round he was about 1/8 stamina. When the 3rd started he could barely stand up and I'd leg kick him still stunned. I tried subbing him 3 times in the 3rd and I still have 90% of my health but he kept breaking out of it.

Also, how do you go from rubber to full mount with Rua? And if I'm on my back with Chuck how do I reverse to get on top. Doesn't matter if I minor or major transition w/ or w/o holding LB he either cliches or tries to kick him off.

I've been doing the rotate with Rua. I'll try the same strategy with the buttons and report back.. it might not make a difference, but I'm still suspicious because the only submission I got with buttons was with Chuck.

The transition from rubber guard to mount is the major transition motion. You can also transition into back side guard, which is pretty useful for LB knees.

If you're on your back, you have to flick RS with good timing when he's trying to transition. I seem to do it best out of side control with Rua -- he'll flip him right over most of the time. Remember that it's easier to transition/sweep when you're in an advantageous position -- so if you're in side control on defense, that's slightly better off than being mounted. With Rua on Expert, he's VERY tough to get off you once he's there (especially mount), so you basically have to try your hardest to make sure he doesn't get there with transition blocking and being very careful not to get swept when transitioning. And if he does get mount or another dominant position, you just have to try and pull him down to your chest and hold him there and pray for a bell to ring.

Honestly, when I'm Chuck, I'm trying to stand if Rua gets me on my back, so I'm trying for major transitions to stand up and blocking him if he's getting close to mount or back control. Gotta defend the rubber guard like mad, because that's how he normally gets dominant position (unless he takes you down).

[oChaos_Nine]

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Ok I just did the same strategy with Rua. I leg kicked Chuck to death and by the 3rd he was heavy breathing walking to the center as the round started. I went rubber, major to mount and tried to get an armbar and he pulled out. Got back up, clinched, took him down to guard then moved to rubber guard. Let him tire out trying to out then went for the submission. Had him in it for the longest, he repositioned twice then pulled out. Grrr....

Whats your GT? I might just have to get you in a party or something, lol.

[baumy300]

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I'm finally beginning to work the ground better with Rua.

I think I can transition better if I know what I am doing. I probably am just hitting the stick the wrong way or maybe going for majors unintentionally.

I have yet to get a submission though. You say wait until Chuck tries to push you off about 7-8 times?

[Stumbleweed]

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Okay, after testing this for about 2 and a half hours too long (supposed to go to sleep for work hah), I was able to submit Chuck on Advanced about 15 times (5 first round, 6 second, 4 third). All but 1 were done by rotating the stick -- I was trying to get him with the buttons but he kept slipping out. The one time I did get him with buttons, he was rocked after a hammerfist and I got an armbar from mount... he was extremely vulerable on that one.

So my amatuer conclusion after all that is that the stick is better for Rua at least (I'll try to a similar setup with Chuck tomorrow to see if it's a power vs. finesse fighter thing)... maybe it's me being good at moving the stick or the stick being "curved" to do more with less movement compared to the buttons... I dunno, because I push them fast as hell (mash it) and it's very tough to submit Chuck but I can get him quickly with the stick.

Anyone else (DaKKon, Phobia, LP?) have any thoughts on that? It was pretty conclusive in my testing with Rua -- I was absolutely killing Chuck with the stick and he only escaped a few times when I tried that method, usually when I was trying to get it in the first round. The technical moves especially seemed quick with the stick -- the sig triangle choke from mount, and the triangle from rubber guard were very fast.

Baumy, yeah, I let about a minute go off the clock with me holding Chuck down as he struggles before I try a submission... that's normally about 7 or 8 struggle attempts, sometimes more. I also try to work the body to avoid KOing him, because I did that plenty of times by accident with a well-placed hammerfist ha. I wait until he's attempted two quick transitions in a row (he panics when he's mounted) and then click it on.

I also noticed that it helps if you push LS in a direction while you try to submit them -- it helps your leverage and you'll see animations where they adjust themselves or slide the opponent across the mat to get a better grip (not the normal cinch animation).

[Phillmattic]

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Oops. I meant to put this in the Demo Impressions thread

[VanillaGorilla]

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I'm a little confused when it comes to transitions. What exactly do the L1 and L2 buttons do, in terms of transitioning?

[oChaos_Nine]

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Stumbleweed, how many times per second would you say you're rotating the stick? I'd say I'm doing it about 5 times per or so. Does it need to be ultra fast? Or slow and smooth?

[GZ2525]

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How do you mount to back?

I've been going through the transitions in the action list, for half guard, open guard, side guard, north/south, and I can't seem to find a way to get to back so I can pull the rear naked choke. Sometimes I get there by accident.

[Stumbleweed]

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How do you mount to back?

I've been going through the transitions in the action list, for half guard, open guard, side guard, north/south, and I can't seem to find a way to get to back so I can pull the rear naked choke. Sometimes I get there by accident.

When you have mount and they transition out, you'll get their back. You can also do a major transition with Rua I believe to get to a body triangle from mount... I haven't had much luck with that though.

As far as rotating the stick, probably two rotations per second -- not too crazy, but the key is keeping the motion complete (go around the perimeter of the stick) and not having hitches, because they often kick out as soon as you move the stick slightly wrong. I'm doing it pretty fast I guess, but probably what I would expect out of most people who play a lot of games.

VanillaGorilla, L2 (or LT on 360) doesn't do anything for transitions, but L1 (LB) is the signature modifier -- so with Rua when you're on your back and have Chuck in your guard, hold L1 and then do a minor transition movement on the stick and you'll transition into rubber guard instead of just improving your position slightly. Look at the move lists -- the transition lists show all the commands and anything with a gray UFC symbol to the left is a signature move. L1 + right stick is also the way to engage the Muay Thai clinch for Rua and the Single-Collar Tie for Chuck.

[LP]

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I have decent results with button mashing, but the stick seems to be the way to go with subs, at least with Rua.

[Stumbleweed]

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Yeah, it just seems like much less effort to use the stick... I mash the buttons like crazy until my forearm tenses up but only got to step 2 on most submissions before he breaks out. The one that I did manage to get was a struggle -- probably 25 seconds of mashing the buttons compared to 7-10 rotating the stick.

I'm gonna play with Chuck exclusively tonight, so I'll report back if anything is different with him... I've mostly been using Rua when I'm trying for submissions, but I'll go for that every time with Chuck and see what happens. I did get a button sub with Chuck (forget which one it was and from what position) that was fairly easy a while ago, which was the basis of my styles thought (Chuck = buttons, Rua = stick)...

[DavonBrown]

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[baumy300]

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Baumy, yeah, I let about a minute go off the clock with me holding Chuck down as he struggles before I try a submission... that's normally about 7 or 8 struggle attempts, sometimes more. I also try to work the body to avoid KOing him, because I did that plenty of times by accident with a well-placed hammerfist ha. I wait until he's attempted two quick transitions in a row (he panics when he's mounted) and then click it on.

I also noticed that it helps if you push LS in a direction while you try to submit them -- it helps your leverage and you'll see animations where they adjust themselves or slide the opponent across the mat to get a better grip (not the normal cinch animation).

Thanks a lot man!

I'll give that a shot along with my transitions. If I can just nail them...

[SA1NT401]

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I have a question. When i put a submission on, do i have to do anything with the RS?

I have submitted Chuck a few times as well as Rua, but i have been spinning the RS just to do it. Not sure if i have to actually do that to work the submission.

Thanks.

Nevermind, got my answers here. I guess i was doing it right all along.

[oChaos_Nine]

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When I'm in mount and I get pulled down into their clinch, how do I raise my head back up w/o transitioning out of the mount? When I press start it says I can do a major transition to mount when I'm in the down position so I try that and get rolled.