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[TheShizNo1]

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Deuces

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[Bigg Cee]

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Damn...


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I don't blame the guy. When Mcgregor is running the show and killing this division slowly, the division that Aldo help build and the fact Mcgregor is never going to give the title back or even fight and defend it makes all the sense. The grass is greener on the other side for a few ppl in the UFC. Aldo might as well try like everyone else.

[DieHardYankee26]

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There's a translation of an interview on /r/MMA where he breaks it down, basically what you'd expect. The UFC treated him like ****, never gave him anything, told him he wasn't allowed to fight Pettis for the LW belt without dropping the FW belt first and that he'd have to fight again to remain the FW belt. Basically he got sick of seeing the way they treat Conor and Dana's lies and wants out

[The JareBear]

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I don't blame Jose one bit

And if he's doing this just for leverage, I think that's smart.

[aholbert32]

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There's a translation of an interview on /r/MMA where he breaks it down, basically what you'd expect. The UFC treated him like ****, never gave him anything, told him he wasn't allowed to fight Pettis for the LW belt without dropping the FW belt first and that he'd have to fight again to remain the FW belt. Basically he got sick of seeing the way they treat Conor and Dana's lies and wants out

I'm sick of Aldo. One, he doesnt have the cache Conor does. He's never been a draw. In fact, the last PPV he headlined without Conor drew 180,000 buyers. He's constantly injured and has spent 2 full years on the sidelines not fighting. He has had 1 (maybe two if you count the first Mendes fight) exciting fights in the UFC.

Yet simply because he was FW champion for a long time, he expects the same treatment as Conor.

If Aldo could draw half of what Conor does he would be in a different position. The reason Conor can demand what he wants is because he draws and he worked to become the biggest draw in the company.

I would be more sympathetic if Aldo was willing to do more to broaden his appeal. Learn English. Do American Press. Fight more often.

This is a non-story anyway. He's under contract and the UFC isnt going to release him. He can retire or he can fight for the UFC.

[aholbert32]

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I don't blame Jose one bit

And if he's doing this just for leverage, I think that's smart.

He has no leverage though. No one is demanding a Conor/Aldo rematch.

You know how you get leverage. You start destroying FWs. You fight Holloway and destroy him. You call out Conor consistently and publicly. You dont threaten to retire especially when it wont hurt the UFC's bottom line.

[DieHardYankee26]

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I'm sick of Aldo. One, he doesnt have the cache Conor does. He's never been a draw. In fact, the last PPV he headlined without Conor drew 180,000 buyers. He's constantly injured and has spent 2 full years on the sidelines not fighting. He has had 1 (maybe two if you count the first Mendes fight) exciting fights in the UFC.

Yet simply because he was FW champion for a long time, he expects the same treatment as Conor.

If Aldo could draw half of what Conor does he would be in a different position. The reason Conor can demand what he wants is because he draws and he worked to become the biggest draw in the company.

I would be more sympathetic if Aldo was willing to do more to broaden his appeal. Learn English. Do American Press. Fight more often.

This is a non-story anyway. He's under contract and the UFC isnt going to release him. He can retire or he can fight for the UFC.

Aldo's problem is that he is under the impression that he fights for a company that is about fighting, and that's not the case. It is completely his fault. He thinks because he was champion for so long, that he deserves a title rematch because they've done it with others and he thinks that what a champion deserves. He's not about entertainment, he wants to fight, and those guys aren't big draws. He doesn't learn English because he thinks that people care about fighting like he does. If he leaves because he only wants to fight and doesn't want to sit around while other guys get rich off talking, I'd respect him standing up for himself. He just isn't realistic about the way the fight business works. He thought that by fighting and being champion for years he would get what he wanted but it turned out he needed to do press events.

Also, I like Conor but it doesn't make any sense that he's still holding this belt, fighting in other divisions while contenders are waiting around. All the examples of layoffs were due to injury, he is actually just holding the belt and refusing to fight the competitors in his division, it's not the same to me. It's straight up just favoring the golden goose, which I understand, but it's not like a guy being hurt and unable to fight.

[ubernoob]

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I have no pity for Jose. He brought this on himself, and it's not like the UFC will miss him.

Since April 6, 2013 Conor has had 9 UFC fights. In that same time period, Aldo has had 5. Hell, Aldo has had 9UFC fights period, and those date back to 2011.

UFC isn't going to struggle without a guy that's fought once in 2015 and once in 2016. Yeah, he was a little hard done (with the way he sees things at least, which itself is a it's own story) but like aholbert said previously - he's not a draw.

Instead of sitting and crying about it, how about he go make a name for himself off of something other than holding a belt for a long time that he barely defended. It's not like the skills aren't there if he wants to make something of it, but he just can't seem to wrap his head around the idea of going out and doing something other than crying.

[aholbert32]

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This Aldo thing kills me. What else bothers me is that he acts as if the UFC has never accommodated him.

He dropped out of 4 main events during his UFC career. The UFC had to cancel an entire card because he was injured. The UFC spent millions to do a worldwide tour for his McGregor fight (which he was injured and had to drop out of).

All for a guy who has never headlined a card that did more than 300k in PPV buys.

[DJ]

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No one in the UFC would lose any sleep if Aldo didn't fight in the Octagon again. He's got no leverage here, and I don't blame McGregor at all for bypassing Aldo to fight Alvarez at 155. McGregor spent all of 2015 promoting Aldo fights and after having the first attempt nixed due to another Aldo injury, McGregor KO'd the guy in 13 seconds. Why would Conor want to run that fight back? He proved everything he needed to with that KO and the way I see it, he's within his rights to seek out big money fights and make Aldo wait a bit after Aldo ruined a half-year's worth of promotion by pulling out of the originally-scheduled fight.

[The JareBear]

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I agree for the most part. I definitely don't blame Conor at all and and bottom line is Jose isnt a ppv draw so ufc definitely isn't losing sleep

I also understand why Jose is frustrated

I'm not trying to absolve anybody of validity or discredit anyone opinions, but I also believe that it's become "cool" to hate on Jose ever since his "Conor saga." Not saying that's happening here, just in general when I look around the internet and social media.

Frankly I have no interest in watching a Conor rematch. Wouldn't mind one bit if that fight never happens. Just saying that if I were in Jose's shoes I could see myself having a little temper tantrum

[jeremym480]

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No one in the UFC would lose any sleep if Aldo didn't fight in the Octagon again. He's got no leverage here, and I don't blame McGregor at all for bypassing Aldo to fight Alvarez at 155. McGregor spent all of 2015 promoting Aldo fights and after having the first attempt nixed due to another Aldo injury, McGregor KO'd the guy in 13 seconds. Why would Conor want to run that fight back? He proved everything he needed to with that KO and the way I see it, he's within his rights to seek out big money fights and make Aldo wait a bit after Aldo ruined a half-year's worth of promotion by pulling out of the originally-scheduled fight.

I don't blame the UFC at all, and won't lose any sleep if Aldo never fights in the UFC again. However, if Conor loses to Alvarez, then I wouldn't mind seeing Conor/Aldo 2.

We saw JDS knock Cain Velesquez out fairly quickly in their first fight only to seem him get totally dominated in their next two. So I would like to see if Conor can beat him again or is if Aldo just got caught. I don't think Aldo is owed a rematch without maybe one more win (against Holloway preferably) and all of this is of course assuming that Conor loses to Eddie.

If Conor wins then I think he should just vacate the FW belt and if he ever decides to move back down, then he can get an immediate title shot. Let him carry around the belt or do whatever he wants with that, but I think they need a FW champ if Conor does win the LW belt.

[The JareBear]

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Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't Aldo actually offered a bout agreement at one point that ended up basically being irrelevant? I know the verbal promises from Dana don't mean anything (which kind of sucks, honestly) so I can't give Aldo credit there (again I think it kind of sucks that he has to not trust promises from his employer, though) but I was under the impression that he was presented with a legit contract to fight Conor again and it was basically crapped on.

Again, forgive me if I am wrong.

And again, I don't blame Conor at all. I don't blame the UFC, and I don't blame Aldo. Someone doesn't have to be "wrong" here. Seems like Aldo has a case to at least be a little miffed.

[aholbert32]

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Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't Aldo actually offered a bout agreement at one point that ended up basically being irrelevant? I know the verbal promises from Dana don't mean anything (which kind of sucks, honestly) so I can't give Aldo credit there (again I think it kind of sucks that he has to not trust promises from his employer, though) but I was under the impression that he was presented with a legit contract to fight Conor again and it was basically crapped on.

Again, forgive me if I am wrong.

And again, I don't blame Conor at all. I don't blame the UFC, and I don't blame Aldo. Someone doesn't have to be "wrong" here. Seems like Aldo has a case to at least be a little miffed.

Nope there wasnt a bout agreement. Conor doesnt want to fight the guy and it was always Alvarez. He wanted to fight Edgar if Frankie wouldve won.

[The JareBear]

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Random question

Has anyone in the UFC ever just come in GROSSLY overweight, like just straight said "**** it" and basically came in a full weight class above their opponent? I know Mayhem Miller missed weight by something crazy in that fight overseas recently but has that ever happened in the UFC? Like not even try to make it.